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Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Brian Mathis
brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com wrote:
Is any part of this thread related to CentOS anymore?
I suggest death by stoning to anyone who dares to engage into light
chat
On 08/03/2012 01:54 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Brian Mathis
brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com wrote:
Is any part of this thread related to CentOS anymore?
I suggest death by stoning to anyone who dares to engage into light
chat about OS history while
on 7/25/2012 6:44 AM Brian Mathis spake the following:
Is any part of this thread related to CentOS anymore?
Sometimes you have to share the memories before they are gone for ever...
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Brian Mathis
brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com wrote:
Is any part of this thread related to CentOS anymore?
I suggest death by stoning to anyone who dares to engage into light
chat about OS history while conversation drifts from the original
topic...
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:40:33PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote:
(In my basement I have Solaris 1.1.1, 2.4, 2.5, 2.5.1, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10; all
but 2.5.1 are original in-box distributions)
You're the right man, then, whom
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote:
Sorry, no. The only consulting special code I ever used was X25-uucp
on SunOS 4.1.x
Thanks anyway for replying. I lose nothing by asking every former Sun
employee I run across. :))
I once built a small mini-ITX AMD x86
Is any part of this thread related to CentOS anymore?
❧ Brian Mathis
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Brian Mathis wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
From: Brian Mathis brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Oracle tries to capture CentOS users
Is any part of this thread related to CentOS anymore?
Yes - the email address still
RedHat and Oracle both provide value-add services. THAT is what you pay for.
But that flies in the face-value (rather than the hidden agenda) of
their statements... Oracle wouldn't *lie* to you would they?! /s
If someone wanted the 'value-added services of Oracle' they wouldn't
be using CentOS
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:39:16AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
If someone wanted the 'value-added services of Oracle' they wouldn't
be using CentOS but rather paying customers already and if they
needed those services this 'free service to the community' Oracle is
offering would not be of
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote:
I just don't see the value proposition of OL from a user perspective.
I'd only consider OL if I was running Oracle software on top of it.
One throat to choke, as Scott McNealy used to say.
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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Gé Weijers g...@weijers.org wrote:
One throat to choke, as Scott McNealy used to say.
Hehe, never heard that one. Cool guy Scott... too bad Sun had to go up for sale.
I have my own version a single person (or firm) to yell at
FC
Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Gé Weijers g...@weijers.org wrote:
One throat to choke, as Scott McNealy used to say.
Hehe, never heard that one. Cool guy Scott... too bad Sun had to go up for
sale.
I have my own version a single person (or firm) to yell at
I agree.
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I agree. It was a real shame when Sun went on the block. But then, back in
the nineties, I loved Sun 3 and Solaris. Most of this decade, though,
Linux has become even friendlier and more useful to me.
Sun JDS Linux was damn good
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
Sun JDS Linux was damn good (included Java and StarOffice preloaded,
and a cool Gnome theme).
I used (purchased!) both JDS Linux 2003 and JDS Linux R2.
JDS Linux R3 was in beta by the time the Solaris militia won the
Gé Weijers wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com
wrote:
Sun JDS Linux was damn good (included Java and StarOffice preloaded,
and a cool Gnome theme).
I used (purchased!) both JDS Linux 2003 and JDS Linux R2.
JDS Linux R3 was in beta by the time the
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
The first time I was doing sysadmin work was on a sparcserver, back in
'95-'97, and I really, really liked that box. I agree, it was a real
shame.
Yeah, but fast forward another year or two and you had an extremely
buggy OS (not a
Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
The first time I was doing sysadmin work was on a sparcserver, back in
'95-'97, and I really, really liked that box. I agree, it was a real
shame.
Yeah, but fast forward another year or two and you had an
On 07/24/12 1:08 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
Yeah, but fast forward another year or two and you had an extremely
buggy OS
I've managed development servers running pretty much all of the Solaris
releases from 2.6 (SunOS 5.6) to Solaris 10 (SunOS 5.10), and if there
were bugs, they sure didn't
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
The first time I was doing sysadmin work was on a sparcserver, back in
'95-'97, and I really, really liked that box. I agree, it was a real
shame.
Yeah, but fast forward another year or two and you had an extremely
buggy OS (not a
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:03 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
On 07/24/12 1:08 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
Yeah, but fast forward another year or two and you had an extremely
buggy OS
I've managed development servers running pretty much all of the Solaris
releases from 2.6 (SunOS
On 07/24/12 2:25 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
We were primarily
using Solaris as a Oracle database and Java application host.
Linux wasn't all that great at Java then - you made the right choice.
early Linux was absolutely wretched at storage management if you had
more than a couple direct
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 04:45:47PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
with Irix mostly, through the early/mid-nineties). Solaris 6.3 == Sun 3;
Solaris 6.4 was the next release, and was perfectly fine and solid.
There was no Solaris 6.3 or 6.4. Sun 3 was a hardware platform (pre
Sparc)!
The SysV
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote:
(In my basement I have Solaris 1.1.1, 2.4, 2.5, 2.5.1, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10; all
but 2.5.1 are original in-box distributions)
You're the right man, then, whom I should ask about the elusive Sun
Bandwidth Manager (bwmgr) that
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:02 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
ext2fs fsck on reboot after a crash when you have dozens of SAN
volumes totaling a few terabytes ? meh.
You mention ext2fs and I get cold sweath down my spine...
I lost an awful lot of data due to ext2 fsck...
FC
On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
While I will not be petty enough to post a Migration script from Oracle
Linux to CentOS (I can't believe they posted that ... REALLY?), I will
likely help anyone who asks me for help with that specific migration.
I wouldn't describe your
Fernando Cassia wrote:
I don' t think that would happen anytime soon. AFAIK if you check
distrowatch Oracle Linux ranks #50 and CentOS ranks #8.
Also, I read somewhere that ORCL has 8,000 paid custmers to their
Linux subscription hardly a major player still.
But like I said, the more
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote:
Fernando Cassia wrote:
I don' t think that would happen anytime soon. AFAIK if you check
distrowatch Oracle Linux ranks #50 and CentOS ranks #8.
Also, I read somewhere that ORCL has 8,000 paid custmers to their
On 07/20/2012 08:12 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
And I*love* the chart... never mind that RH changed the build structure
to give Oracle pain, and it hurt us
That change affects Oracle because they update and modify the kernel.
Since it's not pristine + patches like other SRPMs, Oracle has a
On 22 July 2012 20:02, Gordon Messmer yiny...@eburg.com wrote:
On 07/20/2012 08:12 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
And I*love* the chart... never mind that RH changed the build structure
to give Oracle pain, and it hurt us
That change affects Oracle because they update and modify the kernel.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Um, there *is* a free version of Oracle.
I thought you meant free as in freedom and not free as in free beer.
Yes, probably there is a free - limited - restricted -tryout -
development etc version fo Oracle database has IBM as provided of
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Ken godee k...@perfect-image.com wrote:
Fernando Cassia wrote:
Why don't they just continue to do something more useful
like continue the support for OpenSolaris!
To be honest, it never had any traction. At least not down here. And
it goes back to the Sun days,
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Brian Mathis
brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com wrote:
Aren't the SRPMs available for OEL? How about an Indestructible
CentOS sub-distro?
Yes, the srpms are available. That' s completely possible to do :)
FC
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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Craig White craig.wh...@ttiltd.com wrote:
they want to sell SLA's which they sell cheaper than Red Hat which has caused
a rather sucky side effect which makes it more difficult to produce
customized kernels which would never have happened had Oracle not chosen
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Don't worry, just as soon as Oracle drives RH under, or buys them, they'll
crank up the prices to higher than RH now -
I don' t think that would happen anytime soon. AFAIK if you check
distrowatch Oracle Linux ranks #50 and CentOS ranks
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote:
So for all your ramblings of commercialism these past few posts you
would rather use something free instead of paying? Really?
I said that Oracle Database does not interest me, because MySQL /
PostgreSQL is enough for
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Craig White craig.wh...@ttiltd.com wrote:
From my experience with Fernando on Fedora-List...
Hi there Craig :)
FC
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Came here asking about OpenJDK 7 support in CentOS 6.3, as I plan to
run a Java based app server on it.
Since I haven't installed Oracle's yet on the Sun box, no need still
to ask any questions (I don't even know if there are mailing lists for
Oracle's or web based forums).
You'll be
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Chris xchris...@googlemail.com wrote:
Oracle has created a new Website to capture CentOS Users :o
http://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/
http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/106971/novell-looks-to-lure-red-hat-users/
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Novell has launched a
Chris wrote:
Hello CentOS Guys :-)
Oracle has created a new Website to capture CentOS Users :o
http://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/
Yup. No, don't switch from CentOS to RHEL, switch to *us*, and pay even
more for very, very, very lousy support.*
And I *love* the chart... never mind that
On 20 July 2012 15:19, Chris xchris...@googlemail.com wrote:
http://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/
I found the update delay graph laughable. They're comparing
themselves to a bunch of volunteers and then say we beat people work
for free and for the love of it Right... IMHO, I'd rather go for
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
No, you should pay us, says Larry, I need to keep my yacht and fighter jet
taken care of
Once again, the problem seems to be hatred of Ellison more than anything else.
Red Hat and CentOS based on it are #1, it´s only natural that
Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
No, you should pay us, says Larry, I need to keep my yacht and fighter
jet taken care of
Once again, the problem seems to be hatred of Ellison more than anything
else.
Have you seen any of my other posts,
On Friday, July 20, 2012 10:19:05 AM Chris wrote:
Hello CentOS Guys :-)
Oracle has created a new Website to capture CentOS Users :o
http://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/
They also mention Scientific Linux in their 'QA.'
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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Just one last question: if you think this highly of OUL, why are you here?
Why haven't you gone to their lists?
I have two AMD Opteron servers, a self-built one with Asus mobo, and a
Sun w1100z (ages old, single core Opteron).
I plan to
On 7/20/2012 11:15 AM, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
On 20 July 2012 15:19, Chris xchris...@googlemail.com wrote:
http://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/
I found the update delay graph laughable. They're comparing
themselves to a bunch of volunteers and then say we beat people work
for free and for
Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Just one last question: if you think this highly of OUL, why are you
here?
Why haven't you gone to their lists?
snip
I want to run both, and don't see the point of having any grudges
against any particular
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM, John Hinton webmas...@ew3d.com wrote:
Meanwhile, if this is linux.oracle.com, shouldn't Oracle database be
included in the 'free version'?
No, as IBM doesn´t make DB2 GPL either. It´s the big bucks from the
fortune 500 proprietary products which pays -in part-
Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM, John Hinton webmas...@ew3d.com wrote:
Meanwhile, if this is linux.oracle.com, shouldn't Oracle database be
included in the 'free version'?
No, as IBM doesn´t make DB2 GPL either. It´s the big bucks from the
fortune 500 proprietary
Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM, John Hinton webmas...@ew3d.com wrote:
Meanwhile, if this is linux.oracle.com, shouldn't Oracle database be
included in the 'free version'?
No, as IBM doesn´t make DB2 GPL either. It´s the big bucks from the
fortune 500 proprietary
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Ken godee k...@perfect-image.com wrote:
Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM, John Hinton webmas...@ew3d.com wrote:
Meanwhile, if this is linux.oracle.com, shouldn't Oracle database be
included in the 'free version'?
No, as IBM doesn´t make
On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
No, you should pay us, says Larry, I need to keep my yacht and fighter jet
taken care of
Once again, the problem seems to be hatred of Ellison more than anything else.
Craig White wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
No, you should pay us, says Larry, I need to keep my yacht and fighter
jet taken care of
Once again, the problem seems to be hatred of Ellison more than
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Craig White craig.wh...@ttiltd.com wrote:
Oracle really doesn't care whether users install their OUL... they want to
sell SLA's which they sell cheaper than Red Hat which has caused a rather
sucky side effect which makes it more difficult to produce customized
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 02:30:49PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
If you mean, ´free as in free beer ... I guess it´s a matter of
keeping things simple... as they try to mirror the RHEL package set...
You misspelled, once again, leech. It's a simple word, you should
really use it more often
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 02:11:03PM -0400, Brian Mathis wrote:
Aren't the SRPMs available for OEL? How about an Indestructible
CentOS sub-distro?
Yeah can we please just forget this and avoid all the litigation?
John
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On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:33 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 02:30:49PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
If you mean, ´free as in free beer ... I guess it´s a matter of
keeping things simple... as they try to mirror the RHEL package set...
You misspelled, once again, leech.
Craig White wrote:
On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:33 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 02:30:49PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
If you mean, ´free as in free beer ... I guess it´s a matter of
keeping things simple... as they try to mirror the RHEL package set...
You misspelled,
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 01:37:34PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
nit picking someone whose first language isn't English? Better to
build a barrier to communication than to actual discuss the actual
issues I guess.
Oh please. His mastery of the language is better than many native
speakers.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 04:45:40PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
I think John was saying that Oracle isn't trying to mirror the RHEL
package set, but leech off the RHEL package set.
Just to clarify so there are no mistaken impressions.
Oracle are, in the form of Larry Ellison, a bunch of
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