Re: [CentOS-docs] Images don't resolve on ArtWork/Logo
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Alain Reguera Delgado aregu...@allmail.net wrote: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:23 +0100, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: ... The only *official* artwork is whats on mirror.centos.org - and to be honest, i dont think we have either the sources for that stuff anymore neither access to the person who made them. I found the same, so I started a proposition. So, at the moment everything that we do should be based 'off' those images. We need to change that situation in the future, but not now. There are other things that need resolving first. The special emphasis would be on the logo and the fontface used in those images, we need to stick with that. For now anyway. The CentOS Logo is the main visual representation of CentOS Project. It is very important to have very well defined that visual representation over different backgrounds and available sources in order to let people improve it and propagate it along each CentOS visual manifestation (Websites, Promotion, Distribution), in the correct way. The correct way of propagating it needs to be described publicly somewhere (maybe in our wiki). I think that CentOS needs a Corporate Visual Identity Manual. Some sort of guide that let people have a reference for doing the needed work in a organized manner visually. Also define what visual structure we are following. How it is built and how it could be propagated. For example, in the Distribution area, Fedora project had do it very well in the following wiki page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview I could organize what I have somewhere on our wiki for others to check and improve, if you are interested on it. That is a really good idea. I think a lot of stuff is already there in the artwork trac but needs a visual interface. Cheers Didi Best Regards, al. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Images don't resolve on ArtWork/Logo
On 09/29/2009 04:49 PM, Geerd-Dietger Hoffmann wrote: I could organize what I have somewhere on our wiki for others to check and improve, if you are interested on it. That is a really good idea. I think a lot of stuff is already there in the artwork trac but needs a visual interface. Go for it :) - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Status Update: WebsiteVer2
Good Evening, Please note that the style used within the customization we provide is not yet final. To give an example of how the upcoming websites might look like, I have uploaded some screenshots to the Draft page: http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/WebEnvironment/Draft based on the 'Style Guide'. Expect some 'code' for testing at the end of this month or in the first days of October. As promised, we have uploaded the drafts for testing. Please take a look at: http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/WebEnvironment/VisualStyle/Default Best Regards Marcus ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Status Update: WebsiteVer2
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03 +0200, Ralph Angenendt ralph.angene...@gmail.com wrote: ... Do you want to talk about how the new web site should look (then this is the correct list) or do you want to talk about the technicialities behind that (then centos-devel should be the audience to address)? Doing both in one thread looks close to impossible for me. In documentation happens something similar, so what do you think if we divide this in two sections: One for visual style and related standards (XHTML, CSS, PHP, ...) http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/WebEnvironment/VisualStyle and other for Infrastructure and Technicalities: http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/WebEnvironment/Infrastructure Best Regards, al. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] Tutorials for Dell Vostro and personal page
Hello, CentOS contributors, I am almost ready to submit CentOS guidelines for Dell Vostro 1400. Currently I've got WLAN and video drivers installation guides in English which also will be available in Lithuanian. More comming up soon. Before posting them, I'd like to fill my personal wiki page at http://wiki.centos.org/GytisRepecka which is forbidden - clicking Create my home page now! triggers You are not allowed to edit this page. Am I doing something wrong or there's missed permission? Yours faithfully, Gytis Repecka www.repecka.com ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] Status Update: WebsiteVer2
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Marcus Moeller wrote: Please note that the style used within the customization we provide is not yet final. To give an example of how the upcoming websites might look like, I have uploaded some screenshots to the Draft page: http://wiki.centos.org/WebsiteVer2/WebEnvironment/Draft yuck -- too much space on login matters -- and that repeated twice --- I would use much less (just login) and put the new acct and lost password stuff down a level as they in no way need to be repeated over and over again, taking up space. The color scheming of the hard 'primary red' is jarring, and the top of page 'above the fold' cluttered wwith five rows of lines of nav related tabs before the 'breadcrumb' row The 'searchbox' up top of every page is overkill, and at best I would have a 'search' subpage, or put it at the bottom The choice and ordering on the top level tabs would not match my preferences, and I think do not match the projects' needs The presence of the wiki edits row up top on what are in the most immutable pages is again a mis-application of 'top of the page' space It just looks cluttered to me for no clear reason -- Russ herrold ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-virt] Centos virsh - add a physical device
Native config: cat win2k8.cfg name = win2k8-hvm uuid = c53ac13f-d32f-9934-8c0b-a8728fb52f19 maxmem = 1024 memory = 1024 vcpus = 1 builder = hvm kernel = /usr/lib/xen/boot/hvmloader boot = c If you want it to boot from anything in the CDROM device, change this to read: boot = dc pae = 1 acpi = 1 apic = 1 localtime = 0 on_poweroff = destroy on_reboot = restart on_crash = restart device_model = /usr/lib/xen/bin/qemu-dm vfb = [ type=vnc,vncunused=1,keymap=en-us ] disk = [ phy:/dev/vol1/win2k8,hda,w, phy:/dev/cdrom,hdc:cdrom,r ] Alright, if I am not mistaken your system already has a CDROM setup. It is pointing to the physical interface /dev/cdrom. I may be confusing your question, but did you want to add another one? If the current one isn't working you will have to figure out what the CDROM device name is (/dev/sr0 is also an option) but make sure you have modified the boot= line as I did above. You should also be able to add an ISO image to act as the CDROM (all on one line): disk = [ phy:/dev/vol1/win2k8,hda,w,file:/path/to/file.iso,hdc:cdrom,r] vif = [ mac=00:16:36:2a:e4:15,bridge=eth0,script=vif-bridge,vifname=vif50.0 ] parallel = none serial = pty Tait ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-es] centos-5.4
¿¿Hay fecha de lanzamiento oficial o se realizará sobre la marcha?? -- Un Saludo Juan M.G.V. Solucions Informatiques JM, S.L. i...@redesjm.com tie...@tiendajm.com i...@manualeslinux.com http://www.redesjm.com http://www.tiendajm.com http://www.manualeslinux.com Fax: 96 112 82 30 Linux User #496778 Alejandro Marin Maturano escribió: gracias por el aviso estaremos al pendiente Ernesto Pérez Estévez, BSc, PgD escribió: indican en twitter que si no hay mayores dificultades, esta noche están creando los isos. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] caracteristicas Servidor Web.
Rodrigo Leal Astorga wrote: Hola lista que tal. Le solicito su ayuda, necesito presentar una solución para implementar un server web para 3 usuarios en el área de educción, la idea es que sea un server para realizar consultas y mostrar información a los usuarios que así lo requieran. centos cuantos usuarios soporta? de no se posible habilitar los 30.000 usuarios para consultas simultanemente y que no afecte su rendimiento, cuantos server debería habilitar para realizar este requerimiento y con que características? Agradeciendo a los que me puedan aportar.. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es una pregunta a tu consulta, los 30.000 usuarios es la cantidad que pretendes tener en simultaneo ? o es la cantidad de usuarios registrados que potencialmente podrian acceder al sitio ?. Ya que no es lo mismo armar una plataforma que soporte 30.000 usuarios en simultaneos a una que soporte 30.000 usuarios registrados, y tengas una carga de 5.000 usuarios en simultaneo. En cuanto a tu pregunta de cuantos usuarios soporta Centos, depende de el hardware que tengas y la configuracion de la misma, podes tener la base de datos corriendo en el mismo equipo o en un servidor exclusivo para base de datos. Podes ampliar la cantidad de servidores web y ponerlos en un loadbalancer , y que cada servidor soporte 2000 visitas en simultaneo. Que tipo de aplicacion va a correr? php + mysql ? Saludos ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] caracteristicas Servidor Web.
La idea es un server que aguante en el caso que los 3 usuarios realizen consultas en simultaneo, ahora si no se puede un server, ver con cuantos server necesito para este requerimiento. En cuanto a la aplicacion si pienso que con php y mysql andaria bien o no?.. Saludos. Rodrigo De: centos-es-boun...@centos.org en nombre de Gustavo E Enviado el: mar 29/09/2009 13:34 Para: centos-es@centos.org Asunto: Re: [CentOS-es] caracteristicas Servidor Web. Rodrigo Leal Astorga wrote: Hola lista que tal. Le solicito su ayuda, necesito presentar una solución para implementar un server web para 3 usuarios en el área de educción, la idea es que sea un server para realizar consultas y mostrar información a los usuarios que así lo requieran. centos cuantos usuarios soporta? de no se posible habilitar los 30.000 usuarios para consultas simultanemente y que no afecte su rendimiento, cuantos server debería habilitar para realizar este requerimiento y con que características? Agradeciendo a los que me puedan aportar.. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es una pregunta a tu consulta, los 30.000 usuarios es la cantidad que pretendes tener en simultaneo ? o es la cantidad de usuarios registrados que potencialmente podrian acceder al sitio ?. Ya que no es lo mismo armar una plataforma que soporte 30.000 usuarios en simultaneos a una que soporte 30.000 usuarios registrados, y tengas una carga de 5.000 usuarios en simultaneo. En cuanto a tu pregunta de cuantos usuarios soporta Centos, depende de el hardware que tengas y la configuracion de la misma, podes tener la base de datos corriendo en el mismo equipo o en un servidor exclusivo para base de datos. Podes ampliar la cantidad de servidores web y ponerlos en un loadbalancer , y que cada servidor soporte 2000 visitas en simultaneo. Que tipo de aplicacion va a correr? php + mysql ? Saludos ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es winmail.dat___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS-es] caracteristicas Servidor Web.
Para este caso, recomendaria un servidor liviano cono lighttpd o cherokee. 2009/9/29 Rodrigo Leal Astorga rl...@quintec.cl La idea es un server que aguante en el caso que los 3 usuarios realizen consultas en simultaneo, ahora si no se puede un server, ver con cuantos server necesito para este requerimiento. En cuanto a la aplicacion si pienso que con php y mysql andaria bien o no?.. Saludos. Rodrigo De: centos-es-boun...@centos.org en nombre de Gustavo E Enviado el: mar 29/09/2009 13:34 Para: centos-es@centos.org Asunto: Re: [CentOS-es] caracteristicas Servidor Web. Rodrigo Leal Astorga wrote: Hola lista que tal. Le solicito su ayuda, necesito presentar una solución para implementar un server web para 3 usuarios en el área de educción, la idea es que sea un server para realizar consultas y mostrar información a los usuarios que así lo requieran. centos cuantos usuarios soporta? de no se posible habilitar los 30.000 usuarios para consultas simultanemente y que no afecte su rendimiento, cuantos server debería habilitar para realizar este requerimiento y con que características? Agradeciendo a los que me puedan aportar.. ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es una pregunta a tu consulta, los 30.000 usuarios es la cantidad que pretendes tener en simultaneo ? o es la cantidad de usuarios registrados que potencialmente podrian acceder al sitio ?. Ya que no es lo mismo armar una plataforma que soporte 30.000 usuarios en simultaneos a una que soporte 30.000 usuarios registrados, y tengas una carga de 5.000 usuarios en simultaneo. En cuanto a tu pregunta de cuantos usuarios soporta Centos, depende de el hardware que tengas y la configuracion de la misma, podes tener la base de datos corriendo en el mismo equipo o en un servidor exclusivo para base de datos. Podes ampliar la cantidad de servidores web y ponerlos en un loadbalancer , y que cada servidor soporte 2000 visitas en simultaneo. Que tipo de aplicacion va a correr? php + mysql ? Saludos ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es -- Juan Pablo Botero Administrador de Sistemas informáticos Fedora Ambassador for Colombia http://www.jpilldev.com Linux Registered user #435293 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Marcelo M. Garcia Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user Sorry, but Fedora is no longer a good desktop choice. I was a Fedora user, but the distribution is pushing to far the idea of cutting edge features. Would you mind elaborating your view here? To be honest there isn't much to elaborate. I understand the goal Fedora project to test the latest software available. In this way, Fedora isn't for everyone. At least is not for your main system, but if you have a spare machine to install and play with it, it's probably a good idea. In my case, the rpmfusion NVIDIA driver didn't like my card, a Quadro NVS280. I there are too many updates, and sometimes they crash something. I remember while using Fedora 10, after disappointment with F9, after an update, the sound stopped to work. I didn't like the idea of Thunderbird beta in F 12. Also, the external drives are mounted using the uuid(?) name, so instead of /media/disk, appears something like /media/88299233ddd22, which breaks my backup/recover script. And a few other thinks. My general option was that the experience wasn't good, or put in another way, Ubuntu works better. Uuid doesn't look like something I'd like to see anywhere soon on my systems... I'll look into that though. I'd like to know the point with it. None of this is critical, but it is annoying. For me, a good distribuition would be something seating between Fedora and CentOS. In the last months I started thinking that Ubuntu feel this gap. I still believe that CentOS is best option for servers and technical workstations, but not for my laptop, a Dell XPS M1530. Thanks for the reply. As I can see from above, your opinions basically mirror my own with respect to Fedora. However, my opinion is that CentOS fits almost everywhere. In fact, I'm just finishing up a CentOS install on a Compaq Evo N610c - a portable. I've done this before and it has worked fine with the exception where a wifi-card in involved. This most often gives me grief. -- /Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:29 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? They seem appealing but CentOS is what I am used too on servers now. Thought about loading it up on a box to just try though. Not using, but I've tried it in a LAMP-configuration couple of years ago. Stability seems ok, but personally I don't like the sudo this and sudo that and sudo everywhere. Besides, it felt somehow clunky. CentOS seemed slim, slick and fast compared at the time, so CentOS is what I got stuck with (in an endearing sense of course). HTH. -- /Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chan Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:35 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user Ubuntu for desktop is really a give and take. You get some stuff conveniently done for you like Nvidia drivers (which, I believe is also doable on Centos with a certain repo...cannot remember which) but you may also have to handle random crap like Network Manager not setting things up properly. Rpmforge, dkms and the nvidia-dkms-package. Works like a charm. You can't but love it. 8-) -- /Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:29 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? They seem appealing but CentOS is what I am used too on servers now. Thought about loading it up on a box to just try though. Not using, but I've tried it in a LAMP-configuration couple of years ago. Stability seems ok, but personally I don't like the sudo this and sudo that and sudo everywhere. Besides, it felt somehow clunky. CentOS seemed slim, slick and fast compared at the time, so CentOS is what I got stuck with (in an endearing sense of course). Bah, sudo -i for the equivalent of su -. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
1) Ubuntu really needs more frequent total updates (it is not a long-term stable release). The Ubuntu system that was on the local library's server was unable to get updates (apt-get would fail -- I ended up manually downloading packages and installing by hand (using raw dpkg commands -- ala using raw rpm instead of yum). Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are supported for five years after release. I run Ubuntu along with other Linux distros for various purposes and I've never had an update problem with it. Perhaps that system was pointing to a flaky mirror? Perhaps it is getting trendy to beat up on non-Centos distros here on the Centos list? - Geoff Galitz Blankenheim NRW, Germany http://www.galitz.org/ http://german-way.com/blog/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chan Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:40 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user Not using, but I've tried it in a LAMP-configuration couple of years ago. Stability seems ok, but personally I don't like the sudo this and sudo that and sudo everywhere. Besides, it felt somehow clunky. CentOS seemed slim, slick and fast compared at the time, so CentOS is what I got stuck with (in an endearing sense of course). Bah, sudo -i for the equivalent of su -. Well, to my defense, I was rather green with linux at the time... 8-} -- /Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Geoff Galitz a écrit : Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are supported for five years after release. Ubuntu Long Term Support is three years for desktops and five for servers. In the last LTS version (8.04), half of the audio apps had no sound for a month or so, until Ubuntu fixed the problems with Pulseaudio. At the time, I had given Ubuntu 8.04 a shot in our public libraries and had some very embarrassing moments. Solution: stick with CentOS, rock-solid and *real* LTS. Niki ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Christopher Chan a écrit : Bah, sudo -i for the equivalent of su -. Or try this: $ sudo -s ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Inquiry:Problem with nmap
Dear All Can you please do me favor and let me know how can I solve my problem with nmap , as described below : My CentOS server can ping the network element , but when I try to scan its open ports to see which ones are open at now the nmap cannot distinguish them and returned as they are being filtered : #nmap -sS -p 20-80 172.18.0.1 Can you please let me know how can I modify my nmap command to get through ? Thank you in advance ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:Problem with nmap
Hi, turn off your firewall? Than nmap shows open instead of filtered ;) greets basti hadi motamedi schrieb: Dear All Can you please do me favor and let me know how can I solve my problem with nmap , as described below : My CentOS server can ping the network element , but when I try to scan its open ports to see which ones are open at now the nmap cannot distinguish them and returned as they are being filtered : #nmap -sS -p 20-80 172.18.0.1 Can you please let me know how can I modify my nmap command to get through ? Thank you in advance ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Bastian Ballmann PATRONAS Financial Systems GmbH Schnewlinstr 4 79098 Freiburg fon +49 (0)761 400688-19 fax +49 (0)761 400688-50 ballm...@patronas.de http://www.patronas.de Amtsgericht Freiburg, HRB 7212 Geschäftsführung: Heribert Steuer, Carsten Osswald This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:Problem with nmap
Thank you for your reply . But still it cannot get through : #nmap -sS -p 20-80 172.18.0.1 Starting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0 Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 91 seconds Can you please help me . On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Bastian Ballmann b...@patronas.de wrote: Hi, turn off your firewall? Than nmap shows open instead of filtered ;) greets basti hadi motamedi schrieb: Dear All Can you please do me favor and let me know how can I solve my problem with nmap , as described below : My CentOS server can ping the network element , but when I try to scan its open ports to see which ones are open at now the nmap cannot distinguish them and returned as they are being filtered : #nmap -sS -p 20-80 172.18.0.1 Can you please let me know how can I modify my nmap command to get through ? Thank you in advance ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Bastian Ballmann PATRONAS Financial Systems GmbH Schnewlinstr 4 79098 Freiburg fon +49 (0)761 400688-19 fax +49 (0)761 400688-50 ballm...@patronas.de http://www.patronas.de Amtsgericht Freiburg, HRB 7212 Geschäftsführung: Heribert Steuer, Carsten Osswald This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Stupid Question (Linux antivirus)
At Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:08:38 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: Is there a real big need for having an anti-virus on linux? if so what are some good ones to use? There are no 'viruses' (in the MS-Windows sense) for Linux *in the wild*. There are rootkits and from time-to-time exploits in various network services. If you keep things up-to-date and use a properly configured firewall, etc. this is generally not a problem. If you are running a file or mail server for MS-Windows clients, there are scanners that check for *MS-Windows* viruses. -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software-- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows hel...@deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
At Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:21:08 +0200 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: 1) Ubuntu really needs more frequent total updates (it is not a long-term stable release). The Ubuntu system that was on the local library's server was unable to get updates (apt-get would fail -- I ended up manually downloading packages and installing by hand (using raw dpkg commands -- ala using raw rpm instead of yum). Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are supported for five years after release. I run Ubuntu along with other Linux distros for various purposes and I've never had an update problem with it. Perhaps that system was pointing to a flaky mirror? I don't really know. The guy who set it up originally was somewhat unhelpfull. I'm guessing he didn't use a LTS release and did not really set things up well. I took over management of the system without really any experience with Ubuntu (or Debian). Perhaps it is getting trendy to beat up on non-Centos distros here on the Centos list? No, I don't think so, *I* just had a bad experience dealing with a Ubuntu setup and had problems dealing with it. And generally found a marked *lack* of support from the Ubuntu forums or from the guy who originally set the system up. For *me* it was just easier to install CentOS, and having done so, things just worked better. I have set up CentOS for other 'non techies' and things have worked well. - Geoff Galitz Blankenheim NRW, Germany http://www.galitz.org/ http://german-way.com/blog/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software-- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows hel...@deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:Problem with nmap
hadi motamedi schrieb: Thank you for your reply . But still it cannot get through : #nmap -sS -p 20-80 172.18.0.1 Starting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0 I dont know your network structure, but in your last email it sounds if you could ping the host and now it looks like you're dropping everything? iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT This will allow all input to your host. HTH Greets Basti -- Bastian Ballmann PATRONAS Financial Systems GmbH Schnewlinstr 4 79098 Freiburg fon +49 (0)761 400688-19 fax +49 (0)761 400688-50 ballm...@patronas.de http://www.patronas.de Amtsgericht Freiburg, HRB 7212 Geschäftsführung: Heribert Steuer, Carsten Osswald This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Any known problems with kernel-2.6.18-164.el5.x86_64 / x86_64 / 3ware?
Hi, No unfortunately no messages at all. I get no errors in dmesg nor /var/log/messages. Regards. On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:39 PM, David Tauriainen david.tauriai...@gmail.com wrote: I have a server that is running centos 5.3 x86_64 that until last week was running fine. With no error messages in console and in /var/log/messages the server simply stops responding. I posted the following bug to RedHat yesterday for similar symptoms with RHEL 5.4, same kernel. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525898 I happen to have a 3ware raid card, but didn't think of it as a culprit. Were you seeing any soft lockup messages with kswapd0 in /var/log/messages? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Inquiry:Problem with nmap
Thank you for your reply . Sorry that I was not exact on my previous message . Actually , my CentOS host is @172.18.98.1 and the network element is @ 172.18.0.1 . To this end , my host can ping the network element but when I try to scan its ports to see which one is open the nmap cannot distinguish and returned the message that I sent you . I hope this clarifies my situation here . On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Bastian Ballmann b...@patronas.de wrote: hadi motamedi schrieb: Thank you for your reply . But still it cannot get through : #nmap -sS -p 20-80 172.18.0.1 Starting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0 I dont know your network structure, but in your last email it sounds if you could ping the host and now it looks like you're dropping everything? iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT This will allow all input to your host. HTH Greets Basti -- Bastian Ballmann PATRONAS Financial Systems GmbH Schnewlinstr 4 79098 Freiburg fon +49 (0)761 400688-19 fax +49 (0)761 400688-50 ballm...@patronas.de http://www.patronas.de Amtsgericht Freiburg, HRB 7212 Geschäftsführung: Heribert Steuer, Carsten Osswald This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Any known problems with kernel-2.6.18-164.el5.x86_64 / x86_64 / 3ware?
Hi John, Yes I am running nfs4 (NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory). I'll try to boot with the previous kernel but the bugs mentioned reports problems while using the nfs. In my case I get no error messages from nfs as I can mount/read/write from the nfsclient to this server. Regards. Hi Are you using nfs4 ? Could it be the fact that nfs4 does not work with this kernel ? This bit me hard Revert to the previous kernel or use nfs3 http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=3840 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524520 John ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Christopher Chan wrote: Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? They seem appealing but CentOS is what I am used too on servers now. Thought about loading it up on a box to just try though. Not using, but I've tried it in a LAMP-configuration couple of years ago. Stability seems ok, but personally I don't like the sudo this and sudo that and sudo everywhere. Besides, it felt somehow clunky. CentOS seemed slim, slick and fast compared at the time, so CentOS is what I got stuck with (in an endearing sense of course). Bah, sudo -i for the equivalent of su -. Or more straightforwardly, sudo su -. Works on Macs too. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Sorin Srbu wrote: Thats my thought as well. Ubuntu desktop and CentOS for servers. Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? They seem appealing but CentOS is what I am used too on servers now. Thought about loading it up on a box to just try though. Not using, but I've tried it in a LAMP-configuration couple of years ago. Stability seems ok, but personally I don't like the sudo this and sudo that and sudo everywhere. Besides, it felt somehow clunky. CentOS seemed slim, slick and fast compared at the time, so CentOS is what I got stuck with (in an endearing sense of course). Server software has been fairly 'feature-complete' for a decade or so and there's not a lot of point in using a rapidly changing distribution to run it. If you did use Ubuntu, you'd want the LTS (long term support) version. On the other hand, Linux desktop software still has a ways to go and there are more reasons to accept the new bugs that come along with new features and the need to upgrade more often. RHEL's decision to update the versions of Firefox and OpenOffice in a minor release helped, but it still feels very old as a desktop. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Sorin Srbu wrote: I there are too many updates, and sometimes they crash something. I remember while using Fedora 10, after disappointment with F9, after an update, the sound stopped to work. I didn't like the idea of Thunderbird beta in F 12. Also, the external drives are mounted using the uuid(?) name, so instead of /media/disk, appears something like /media/88299233ddd22, which breaks my backup/recover script. And a few other thinks. My general option was that the experience wasn't good, or put in another way, Ubuntu works better. Uuid doesn't look like something I'd like to see anywhere soon on my systems... I'll look into that though. I'd like to know the point with it. What happens when you mount 2 otherwise identical disks/filesystems? As might happen if you take a disk from a default install and mount it into another similar system? I haven't tried with a recent fedora version, but I'd guess it still won't work if you have the default LVM volume id from an install - they've gotten this wrong with every label/id approach so far. Even people who are 'no-tech' types as far as Linux goes may want to swap drives around and copy some old data or at least look at the contents before reusing a drive. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
On 09/27/2009 02:57 PM, Drew wrote: That's the rule of thumb I see applied to what goes in /srv. In a LAMP box for example I'd expect to see the website(and site logs), database files, and POP3/IMAP spools stored in srv directories. Machine specific data like system logs and email processing spools get stored in /var. well, /srv to me is served and shared storage. So anything on the network that isnt consumed directly by off-immediate-network clients using any service would end up there. To me, thats the best match for usage - most other things, maybe everything else, has a fairly clear guideline from the LSB. although the lsb specs are themselves a bit in the air. Lets see if the 3rd or 4th time they get something done a bit more formally. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
On 09/29/2009 09:21 AM, Geoff Galitz wrote: Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are supported for five years after release. you might want to look into exactly what is ubuntu-support and how that compares with what you get with CentOS. Its not nearly the same thing. To an extent that LTS is mostly considered a nonstarter in most very small business. Specially where the client is in a position to evaluate their options and work out the implications of what they are getting. It always surprises me how many are not. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows
Hi, I have to install CentOS on a spare partition of a laptop with Windows pre installed. Is there anything I have to watch out for? Couldn't find anything in the wiki or does the installer handle this well without me doing some magic, or so? TIA, Frank. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows
frank.brodb...@klingel.de wrote: Hi, I have to install CentOS on a spare partition of a laptop with Windows pre installed. Is there anything I have to watch out for? Couldn't find anything in the wiki or does the installer handle this well without me doing some magic, or so? The installer will handle this perfectly if you select the correct partition for your CentOS installation :-) Cheers frank -- Frank Thommen - Structures IT Management and Support - EMBL Heidelberg frank.thom...@embl-heidelberg.de - +49 6221 387 8353 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Stupid Question (Linux antivirus)
Will the software be used in a commercial environment? If not, then you could use AVG from Grisoft:- http://free.avg.com/download I've used it for a couple of years now and haven't had any problems. Come to think of it, it hasn't found any viruses either!?!?! Perhaps I've been lucky, but I prefer to believe my email server is fairly good at rejecting spam etc. I'm sorry but stay as far away from them as you can. AVG 7 was great, I used to recommend it all the time, but version 8 has become really bloated and chews through resources like no-ones business. I installed it on a dual-booted (XP/Debian) Laptop w/ 512M RAM and after upgrading from 7 to 8 my machine in XP began to lag badly. -- Drew Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. --Marie Curie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Frank Thommen Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows I have to install CentOS on a spare partition of a laptop with Windows pre installed. Is there anything I have to watch out for? Couldn't find anything in the wiki or does the installer handle this well without me doing some magic, or so? The installer will handle this perfectly if you select the correct partition for your CentOS installation :-) With that said, make sure you have a backup of the important stuff on the Windows-partitions. -- /Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : I also have CentOS at home. There are quirks, though: for example, I tried to run kaffeine last night, and it couldn't find libkaffeinepart.so. I tried adding /opt/kde3/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, to LOAD_LIBwhatever, and even did an ldconfig, and it *still* can't find it (I run icewm, btw, not KDE). Kaffeine is basically Xine for KDE. Since you're running IceWM, you might as well give Xine or Gxine (no Gnome deps) a spin. Cheers, Niki ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows
2009/9/29 Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Frank Thommen Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:27 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows I have to install CentOS on a spare partition of a laptop with Windows pre installed. Is there anything I have to watch out for? Couldn't find anything in the wiki or does the installer handle this well without me doing some magic, or so? The installer will handle this perfectly if you select the correct partition for your CentOS installation :-) usually, you need at least two partitions: one for / and one for swap. best is to setup first a small /boot partition. i'm sure somewhere there are some docs about it :) With that said, make sure you have a backup of the important stuff on the Windows-partitions. -- /Sorin ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Linux counter #213090 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows
I have to install CentOS on a spare partition of a laptop with Windows pre installed. Is there anything I have to watch out for? Couldn't find anything in the wiki or does the installer handle this well without me doing some magic, or so? The installer will handle this perfectly if you select the correct partition for your CentOS installation :-) usually, you need at least two partitions: one for / and one for swap. best is to setup first a small /boot partition. i'm sure somewhere there are some docs about it :) You can do that from within the installer...or just let the installer create a default layout. frank -- Frank Thommen - Structures IT Management and Support - EMBL Heidelberg frank.thom...@embl-heidelberg.de - +49 6221 387 8353 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Updating an AntiVirus trougth a proxy (ERROR)
Hi, 2009/9/28 Alberto García Gómez albe...@ipimtzcm.rimed.cu: Here is my problem [r...@shannon CGPMcAfee]# ./updateDatFiles CGPMcAfee DAT files update program version 2.2 Local avvDAT version is 5726 Connecting to 'update.nai.com' [72.247.238.178:80] via HTTP protocol... *** failed to connect: socket error The problem is that I can't change the script and I'm under a proxy server, but the updater ignore it. Same happen with others updaters WHAT CAN I DO? Ask McAfee/NAI, since they are the providers of that script. I doubt it that you are their only customer who needs to update behind a proxy/firewall and it's probable that they have a way to use a proxy in the request. Other than that, if you have access to the proxy server you might be able to set up a transparent proxy, but that is a complex setup that requires you to really understand your network topology... Or, if that is possible for you (e.g., you already have NAT setup) you could choose to open your firewall to allow that one access from that server to the NAI website only without going through the proxy. HTH, Filipe ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Stupid Question (Linux antivirus)
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Eric Clark eric.cl...@d-t-s-corp.com wrote: Is there a real big need for having an anti-virus on linux? if so what are some good ones to use? In many companies that have compliance requirements, all servers are required to have antivirus. The argument that Linux servers don't get viruses is irrelevant and falls on deaf ears. (And no, you cannot just say, well the auditors don't know what they are talking about and consider the case closed). We are using clam-av with a scheduled nightly scan. Seems to work well enough. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Antwort: Re: Dualboot CentOS and Windows
Frank Thommen frank.thom...@embl-heidelberg.de schrieb am 29.09.2009 16:11:05: I have to install CentOS on a spare partition of a laptop with Windows pre installed. Is there anything I have to watch out for? Couldn't find anything in the wiki or does the installer handle this well without me doing some magic, or so? The installer will handle this perfectly if you select the correct partition for your CentOS installation :-) usually, you need at least two partitions: one for / and one for swap. best is to setup first a small /boot partition. i'm sure somewhere there are some docs about it :) You can do that from within the installer...or just let the installer create a default layout. Actually I do know how to install CentOS, I just never had to do a multi boot setup ;-) So if the installer regocnizes the Windows installation and will configure grub appropriately I have all I need to know, but thanks anyway. Frank. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Dualboot CentOS and Windows
frank.brodb...@klingel.de wrote on 09/29/2009 09:12 AM: Hi, I have to install CentOS on a spare partition of a laptop with Windows pre installed. Is there anything I have to watch out for? Couldn't find anything in the wiki or does the installer handle this well without me doing some magic, or so? This should be no problem as long as you take the installer defaults, or are at least careful not to let Anaconda use the Windows partition. A GRUB menu entry should automatically be created to allow you to boot the Windows partition. I usually change the label from the default, which is something like Other, to XP or Windows and edit /boot/grub/grub.conf after firstboot to comment hiddenmenu and perhaps increase the default timeout. Phil ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Antispam with Postfix
Ned Slider wrote: Bowie Bailey wrote: Joseph L. Casale wrote: 2. I use backup mx's, my current solution probably could work in this scenario but the support mechanism behind it is *very* weak and I can't get a perfect setup working. Spam hits the primary for a domain, gets blocked and then tries my secondary which sometimes accepts it, after which the primary always accepts from the secondary. If you have a secondary mx, it MUST have the same (if not more aggressive) spam prevention as your primary for this exact reason. You also need to make sure that the secondary can reject mail for non-existent users so you don't send backscatter when the primary rejects the mail. Personally I'd just drop the secondary mx completely and let the sending smtp server queue the mail whenever you're offline. Makes life a lot simpler. I agree. That's why I started with IF you have a secondary... :) -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 09/27/2009 02:57 PM, Drew wrote: That's the rule of thumb I see applied to what goes in /srv. In a LAMP box for example I'd expect to see the website(and site logs), database files, and POP3/IMAP spools stored in srv directories. Machine specific data like system logs and email processing spools get stored in /var. well, /srv to me is served and shared storage. So anything on the network that isnt consumed directly by off-immediate-network clients using any service would end up there. To me, thats the best match for usage - most other things, maybe everything else, has a fairly clear guideline from the LSB. although the lsb specs are themselves a bit in the air. Lets see if the 3rd or 4th time they get something done a bit more formally. Not likely... Storage paths are all arbitrary and if a standard has to make up a new location that breaks existing concepts they've already done something wrong. So far the LSB has been good at making up things that nobody used before - not so good at getting everyone to agree to change (and change again every time they change their minds). -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] freenx disconnects?
My NX/freenx connections have recently started to drop more or less randomly after several hours. Reconnection works with everything still running. I don't think anything has changed other than CentOS updates. Is anyone else seeing this? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Slow printing to HP jetdirect from cups
I've googled for this and poked around linuxprinting.org, but couldn't find anything helpful. I have a CentOS 5 server with an HP LaserJet 4 attached via JetDirect with the hplip driver. The problem is that when I have multiple print jobs in the queue, there is a delay of about 15 seconds between each job. This gets very annoying when there are 10-15 one-page jobs in the queue. lpstat -t shows me errors like this: recoverable: Network host 'seashell' is busy; will retry in 15 seconds... This worked fine previously with the same setup on an old RedHat release (Either RH7 or RH9, I don't remember which). The problem appeared after I rebuilt the server with CentOS 5. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Script consumes memory
I have the following script that when executed, consumes memory and makes the system inaccessible. All process are halted. First, I don't understand what is wrong with the script Secondly, I'm surprised that Linux allows this to run unchecked to the detriment of the entire system. SCRIPT - #!/bin/sh FTP=/usr/bin/ftp # VMID=asystem.ourcompany.com VMUser=STATDASD VMPass=STATDASD VMDir=VMSYSA:. DataFile=data.txt VMFile=DS8100.DATA #--- Get some information about me #--work from the same directory as the script MYSCRIPT=`$BASENAME $0` MYSCRIPTDIR=`$DIRNAME $0` if [ $MYSCRIPTDIR != . ] then cd $MYSCRIPTDIR fi #--- FTP to MAINT on mkmfvm $FTP -vn $$EOD open $VMID user $VMUser $VMPass cd $VMDir ascii put $DataFile $VMFile bye $$EOD Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas 76710 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Slow printing to HP jetdirect from cups
On Tue, September 29, 2009 10:49 am, Bowie Bailey wrote: I've googled for this and poked around linuxprinting.org, but couldn't find anything helpful. I have a CentOS 5 server with an HP LaserJet 4 attached via JetDirect with the hplip driver. The problem is that when I have multiple print jobs in the queue, there is a delay of about 15 seconds between each job. This gets very annoying when there are 10-15 one-page jobs in the queue. lpstat -t shows me errors like this: recoverable: Network host 'seashell' is busy; will retry in 15 seconds... This worked fine previously with the same setup on an old RedHat release (Either RH7 or RH9, I don't remember which). The problem appeared after I rebuilt the server with CentOS 5. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Bowie ___ Have you tried using it as a RAW print que? Is this when clients are printing to it via the share? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Slow printing to HP jetdirect from cups
Bo Lynch wrote: On Tue, September 29, 2009 10:49 am, Bowie Bailey wrote: I've googled for this and poked around linuxprinting.org, but couldn't find anything helpful. I have a CentOS 5 server with an HP LaserJet 4 attached via JetDirect with the hplip driver. The problem is that when I have multiple print jobs in the queue, there is a delay of about 15 seconds between each job. This gets very annoying when there are 10-15 one-page jobs in the queue. lpstat -t shows me errors like this: recoverable: Network host 'seashell' is busy; will retry in 15 seconds... This worked fine previously with the same setup on an old RedHat release (Either RH7 or RH9, I don't remember which). The problem appeared after I rebuilt the server with CentOS 5. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Bowie ___ Have you tried using it as a RAW print que? Is this when clients are printing to it via the share? That's when I usually notice it, but I can duplicate the problem by printing text files via lp as well, so the problem doesn't appear to be related to samba. How would I set up a RAW queue? -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Slow printing to HP jetdirect from cups
On Tue, September 29, 2009 11:05 am, Bowie Bailey wrote: Bo Lynch wrote: On Tue, September 29, 2009 10:49 am, Bowie Bailey wrote: I've googled for this and poked around linuxprinting.org, but couldn't find anything helpful. I have a CentOS 5 server with an HP LaserJet 4 attached via JetDirect with the hplip driver. The problem is that when I have multiple print jobs in the queue, there is a delay of about 15 seconds between each job. This gets very annoying when there are 10-15 one-page jobs in the queue. lpstat -t shows me errors like this: recoverable: Network host 'seashell' is busy; will retry in 15 seconds... This worked fine previously with the same setup on an old RedHat release (Either RH7 or RH9, I don't remember which). The problem appeared after I rebuilt the server with CentOS 5. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Bowie ___ Have you tried using it as a RAW print que? Is this when clients are printing to it via the share? That's when I usually notice it, but I can duplicate the problem by printing text files via lp as well, so the problem doesn't appear to be related to samba. How would I set up a RAW queue? -- Bowie You can do this with cups by selecting make and model as local raw printer. We have had issues similar to this when printing pdf's. One page would print then 10 seconds later the next, so on and so on. Using a raw print que on server and a PostScript driver on the clients seem to work. Bo ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Script consumes memory
Perhaps I'm missing it, but where are your definitions of DIRNAME and BASENAME? Without them, you're probably re-executing the script in the bactick references. Basically a fork-bomb. -Alan Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: I have the following script that when executed, consumes memory and makes the system inaccessible. All process are halted. First, I don't understand what is wrong with the script Secondly, I'm surprised that Linux allows this to run unchecked to the detriment of the entire system. SCRIPT - #!/bin/sh FTP=/usr/bin/ftp # VMID=asystem.ourcompany.com VMUser=STATDASD VMPass=STATDASD VMDir=VMSYSA:. DataFile=data.txt VMFile=DS8100.DATA #--- Get some information about me #--work from the same directory as the script MYSCRIPT=`$BASENAME $0` MYSCRIPTDIR=`$DIRNAME $0` if [ $MYSCRIPTDIR != . ] then cd $MYSCRIPTDIR fi #--- FTP to MAINT on mkmfvm $FTP -vn $$EOD open $VMID user $VMUser $VMPass cd $VMDir ascii put $DataFile $VMFile bye $$EOD Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas 76710 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : I also have CentOS at home. There are quirks, though: for example, I tried to run kaffeine last night, and it couldn't find libkaffeinepart.so. I tried adding /opt/kde3/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, to LOAD_LIBwhatever, and even did an ldconfig, and it *still* can't find it (I run icewm, btw, not KDE). Kaffeine is basically Xine for KDE. Since you're running IceWM, you might as well give Xine or Gxine (no Gnome deps) a spin. I might... but I *really* want to know *why* it can't find the library, that's right there. That's problems waiting to happen. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Script consumes memory
Good catchnot sure how I missed that! (Too many things going on. THANKS! Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas 76710 -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sparks Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:27 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Script consumes memory Perhaps I'm missing it, but where are your definitions of DIRNAME and BASENAME? Without them, you're probably re-executing the script in the bactick references. Basically a fork-bomb. -Alan Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: I have the following script that when executed, consumes memory and makes the system inaccessible. All process are halted. First, I don't understand what is wrong with the script Secondly, I'm surprised that Linux allows this to run unchecked to the detriment of the entire system. SCRIPT - #!/bin/sh FTP=/usr/bin/ftp # VMID=asystem.ourcompany.com VMUser=STATDASD VMPass=STATDASD VMDir=VMSYSA:. DataFile=data.txt VMFile=DS8100.DATA #--- Get some information about me #--work from the same directory as the script MYSCRIPT=`$BASENAME $0` MYSCRIPTDIR=`$DIRNAME $0` if [ $MYSCRIPTDIR != . ] then cd $MYSCRIPTDIR fi #--- FTP to MAINT on mkmfvm $FTP -vn $$EOD open $VMID user $VMUser $VMPass cd $VMDir ascii put $DataFile $VMFile bye $$EOD Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas 76710 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS 5.3 LDAP problem.
I currently have about eight servers running a mixture of CentOS x86_64 v5.2 and v5.3 but none with the very latest updates. They all obtain their authentication information over LDAP and to avoid the starting message bus hang problem[1], nscd is set to soft failure. However, yesterday I set up a new CentOS v5.3 server with the latest updates, but it refuses to get beyond Starting message bus if I have ldap as an option in nsswitch.conf. The LDAP server is hosted on two separate machines and this machine has an identical set up to the others - including soft failure in the nscd config. If I remove all references to ldap from nsswitch.conf I can get the machine to boot. I can then add those entries back, start nscd and getent works fine. However, when I start samba it then starts to fail stating that it cannot find a users unix account - which is clearly incorrect! To compound matters, ssh now seems to be locking up; freezing after requesting a password and eventually dropping connection. As I am working off-site for the test of the week I cannot post any further information at the moment, however, I think that the installed kernel had a September 2009 compile date. Does anyone know of any reason why the latest updates could be causing this behaviour? I have been unable to find anything relevant in the list archives or in the forums. I am under pressure to get this server working and I don't want to be forced to install Windows, so any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks, Ben [1] http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2047 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Slow printing to HP jetdirect from cups
Bo Lynch wrote: On Tue, September 29, 2009 11:05 am, Bowie Bailey wrote: Bo Lynch wrote: On Tue, September 29, 2009 10:49 am, Bowie Bailey wrote: I've googled for this and poked around linuxprinting.org, but couldn't find anything helpful. I have a CentOS 5 server with an HP LaserJet 4 attached via JetDirect with the hplip driver. The problem is that when I have multiple print jobs in the queue, there is a delay of about 15 seconds between each job. This gets very annoying when there are 10-15 one-page jobs in the queue. lpstat -t shows me errors like this: recoverable: Network host 'seashell' is busy; will retry in 15 seconds... This worked fine previously with the same setup on an old RedHat release (Either RH7 or RH9, I don't remember which). The problem appeared after I rebuilt the server with CentOS 5. Any ideas would be appreciated. -- Bowie ___ Have you tried using it as a RAW print que? Is this when clients are printing to it via the share? That's when I usually notice it, but I can duplicate the problem by printing text files via lp as well, so the problem doesn't appear to be related to samba. How would I set up a RAW queue? -- Bowie You can do this with cups by selecting make and model as local raw printer. We have had issues similar to this when printing pdf's. One page would print then 10 seconds later the next, so on and so on. Using a raw print que on server and a PostScript driver on the clients seem to work. Bo I set the printer type as raw and then restarted cups just to make sure the change was active. No effect. Still have the delays. Any other ideas? -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Script consumes memory
Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: I have the following script that when executed, consumes memory and makes the system inaccessible. All process are halted. First, I don't understand what is wrong with the script Secondly, I'm surprised that Linux allows this to run unchecked to the detriment of the entire system. Linux allows what you've set with ulimit or the administrator sets in /etc/security/limits.conf. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Script consumes memory
Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: I have the following script that when executed, consumes memory and makes the system inaccessible. All process are halted. You can probably drastically simplify your script by using ncftpput http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/ncftpput.html nate ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Mirror After?
ML wrote: Hi All, If I put a 1TB HD in my server (because they are on sale this week), can I later Mirror to a second 1TB drive without destroying the data on the first? On Windows and OS X, I know I can't do this... Thoughts? -ML ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Certainly I've used this http://linux-raid.osdl.org/index.php/Linux_Raid successfully a number of times. HTH Rob attachment: rkampen.vcf___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Mirror After?
ML wrote: Hi All, If I put a 1TB HD in my server (because they are on sale this week), can I later Mirror to a second 1TB drive without destroying the data on the first? if you set it up as a mdraid mirror without the mirror, yes. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Script consumes memory
nate wrote: Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: I have the following script that when executed, consumes memory and makes the system inaccessible. All process are halted. You can probably drastically simplify your script by using ncftpput http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/ncftpput.html and simplify it even more using scp, assuming the server at the other end is unix or linux and supports ssh/scp. first, exchange ssh-keys, then... scp $DataFile $VMID:$$vmu...@$vmdir btw, if [ $MYSCRIPTDIR != . then cd $MYSCRIPTDIR fi is rather redundant. cd . is a no-op, so you might as well just say... cd $MYSCRIPTDIR ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.3 LDAP problem.
I experienced the same problem and found a solution. In your /etc/ldap.conf file (which I had the ldap.conf in /etc/openldap symlinked to), add the following line to the bottom of the file: nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,haldaemon,dbus,ldap,sshd (any other group that is locally stored and used by applications go here) Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Donnachie Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:37 AM To: centos@centos.org Subject: [CentOS] CentOS 5.3 LDAP problem. I currently have about eight servers running a mixture of CentOS x86_64 v5.2 and v5.3 but none with the very latest updates. They all obtain their authentication information over LDAP and to avoid the starting message bus hang problem[1], nscd is set to soft failure. However, yesterday I set up a new CentOS v5.3 server with the latest updates, but it refuses to get beyond Starting message bus if I have ldap as an option in nsswitch.conf. The LDAP server is hosted on two separate machines and this machine has an identical set up to the others - including soft failure in the nscd config. If I remove all references to ldap from nsswitch.conf I can get the machine to boot. I can then add those entries back, start nscd and getent works fine. However, when I start samba it then starts to fail stating that it cannot find a users unix account - which is clearly incorrect! To compound matters, ssh now seems to be locking up; freezing after requesting a password and eventually dropping connection. As I am working off-site for the test of the week I cannot post any further information at the moment, however, I think that the installed kernel had a September 2009 compile date. Does anyone know of any reason why the latest updates could be causing this behaviour? I have been unable to find anything relevant in the list archives or in the forums. I am under pressure to get this server working and I don't want to be forced to install Windows, so any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks, Ben [1] http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=2047 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Niki Kovacs wrote: Geoff Galitz a écrit : Ubuntu has the LTS releases, which are long term stable releases. They are supported for five years after release. Ubuntu Long Term Support is three years for desktops and five for servers. In the last LTS version (8.04), half of the audio apps had no sound for a month or so, until Ubuntu fixed the problems with Pulseaudio. At the time, I had given Ubuntu 8.04 a shot in our public libraries and had some very embarrassing moments. +1. All my Ubuntu 8.04 trial boxes are now XP due to that. Solution: stick with CentOS, rock-solid and *real* LTS. Yeah, if only I did not have to put Windows in a vm... Centos would have done the trick if it was just pure Linux. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Slow printing to HP jetdirect from cups
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:48:07AM -0400, Bowie Bailey wrote: I set the printer type as raw and then restarted cups just to make sure the change was active. No effect. Still have the delays. Avoid cups for a quick test: 2 ways: 1) get the lprng rpm and extract lpr and lpq to a directory, both should be usable even with little to no configuration aside the normal host printing setup. The nice effect: things like lprng -...@host just work, without adding queues, discovery and other annoyances. 2) just ftp the file to the printer (maybe newer jetdirect cards also support things like ipp / http as well?). The 2nd method at least reduces the components being tested to the raw network connection between two boxes. And of course, effects due to funny things being printed (testing with multiple printers and having one set of tests print a single file run thru gs to produce pcl-3 or higher may be a good way to detect funny postscript like strange font embedding (e.g. from the application/library/... on a badly configured client), or full color for a blackwhite laser, etc). -- cu Peter l Jakobi li...@kefk.oa.shuttle.de ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.3 LDAP problem.
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 11:20 -0500, Dan Burkland wrote: I experienced the same problem and found a solution. In your /etc/ldap.conf file (which I had the ldap.conf in /etc/openldap symlinked to), add the following line to the bottom of the file: nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,haldaemon,dbus,ldap,sshd (any other group that is locally stored and used by applications go here) having these lines in /etc/ldap.conf has helped me a lot... timelimit 30 bind_timelimit 30 bind_policy soft nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon,dbus As for symlinking /etc/ldap.conf to /etc/openldap/ldap.conf... that's a bad idea because they serve different purposes. OpenLDAP developers have often lamented that padl chose to name their settings file with the same name and it just creates confusion. /etc/ldap.conf is for nss/padl /etc/openldap/ldap.conf is for users who execute openldap client programs such as ldapsearch/ldapmodify/etc. The file contents are necessarily different. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.3 LDAP problem.
2009/9/29 Dan Burkland dburk...@nmdp.org: I experienced the same problem and found a solution. In your /etc/ldap.conf file (which I had the ldap.conf in /etc/openldap symlinked to), add the following line to the bottom of the file: Due to the ssh problems, I can't check the actual machine at the moment, but the machine I copied the config from already has the following: nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon,dbus,radvd,tomcat,radiusd,news,mailman,nscd,gdm I'll check the machine's config as soon as I can get access to it. Ben ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.3 LDAP problem.
2009/9/29 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com: having these lines in /etc/ldap.conf has helped me a lot... timelimit 30 bind_timelimit 30 bind_policy soft My timelimits are still at the default of 120. However, the machine was bounced for me this morning and is apparently still stuck on Starting message bus. I'm just a perplexed that my other CentOS machines work fine, except this new install... :-/ Ben ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Script consumes memory
I have the following script that when executed, consumes memory and makes the system inaccessible. All process are halted. You can probably drastically simplify your script by using ncftpput http://www.ncftp.com/ncftp/doc/ncftpput.html and simplify it even more using scp, assuming the server at the other end is unix or linux and supports ssh/scp. first, exchange ssh-keys, then... scp $DataFile $VMID:$$vmu...@$vmdir And rsync over ssh is even better, especially if you repeat copies of mostly the same content or there is a chance you will expand to sending a directory full of files. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Mirror After?
ML wrote: If I put a 1TB HD in my server (because they are on sale this week), can I later Mirror to a second 1TB drive without destroying the data on the first? On Windows and OS X, I know I can't do this... Thoughts? Partition the disk into one partition of type 'FD' (raid autodetect) Use mdadm to create a 2 device RAID1 but specify one device as missing and mount the md device instead of the disk partition. Then when/if you get a matching drive, create the matching partition and add it to the raid with 'mdadm --add'. Personally, I think this should be the default mechanism when installing but you can't do it at all there. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Mirror After?
ML wrote: Hi All, If I put a 1TB HD in my server (because they are on sale this week), can I later Mirror to a second 1TB drive without destroying the data on the first? On Windows and OS X, I know I can't do this... Thoughts? -ML Step by step instructions at http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-fedora-8 BUT be sure you have an up-to-date backup in case it clabbers. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Slow printing to HP jetdirect from cups
Peter l Jakobi wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:48:07AM -0400, Bowie Bailey wrote: I set the printer type as raw and then restarted cups just to make sure the change was active. No effect. Still have the delays. Avoid cups for a quick test: 2 ways: 1) get the lprng rpm and extract lpr and lpq to a directory, both should be usable even with little to no configuration aside the normal host printing setup. The nice effect: things like lprng -...@host just work, without adding queues, discovery and other annoyances. 2) just ftp the file to the printer (maybe newer jetdirect cards also support things like ipp / http as well?). The 2nd method at least reduces the components being tested to the raw network connection between two boxes. And of course, effects due to funny things being printed (testing with multiple printers and having one set of tests print a single file run thru gs to produce pcl-3 or higher may be a good way to detect funny postscript like strange font embedding (e.g. from the application/library/... on a badly configured client), or full color for a blackwhite laser, etc). I'm not sure avoiding cups would be useful. The problem seems to be with cups getting the print jobs from the queue to the printer. Once the printer finishes a job, it takes cups about 15 seconds to realize that the printer is available for the next job. -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Not likely... Storage paths are all arbitrary and if a standard has to make up a new location that breaks existing concepts they've already done something wrong. Times change. What worked well on Unix 20-30 years ago isn't necessarily the best way of doing things today. Websites for example have moved from static html on the arpanet university sites to the rich multimedia content we see today. Back then the idea of a website infecting a computer was unheard of. Now an entire industry has cropped up around protecting systems from malicious content. So far the LSB has been good at making up things that nobody used before - not so good at getting everyone to agree to change (and change again every time they change their minds). I've never seen an entire industry move rapidly to adopt change unless there are significant incentives to do so. And as the incentives for Linux to do so are primarily best practices I don't expect to see a wholesale move anytime soon. -- Drew Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. --Marie Curie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Matt wrote: Just wandering if anyone is using the 'Ubuntu Server Edition's'? On a whim, I installed it on my home mail/web/* server. It was due for an upgrade anyway. So far, so good. Running a boatload of services (low load though), no crashes, solid. The Ubuntu experience is the same. When I had to install stuff like the MythTV backend, or the MediaTomb UPnP server (*) or things like that (including multimedia things like libavcodec or libdvdread), there was no need to add all sorts of repos to the system, which may or may not conflict each other or replace the base packages. I just did sudo apt-get install somepackage and, voila!, I was done. So I think I prefer it even on the server, if it's a small home server like this. At work though, what with Oracle RAC, high-end storage and things like that, Red Hat and its derivatives are still the choice. (*) - It's great to have a system up-n-running 24/7 anyway (for email, web, DHCP, printing and whatnot). In that case, you can put a UPnP server on it, and dump all your multimedia files (MP3, JPEG, movies) on the hard-drive, then comfortably browse them on your TV with some sort of UPnP client (a game console like the PS3, or one of those tiny UPnP boxes they sell on the Internet). Then put a MythTV backend on the server, and install the frontend on the gaming PC connected to your TV - you do have one, right? :-) The gaming PC can dual-boot, Mythbuntu for MythTV, Windows for games. It's a great setup, and yes, it can be done on CentOS or just about any Linux distro. But with Ubuntu everything is just there, so the install/admin effort is greatly reduced. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Geoff Galitz wrote: Perhaps it is getting trendy to beat up on non-Centos distros here on the Centos list? Well, it's the group bias. I keep an eye on a Kawasaki forum, and they have a knack for doing a lot of Suzuki bashing. I'm, like, WTF, they're all awesome sportbikes! :-) Same here. In the end, Linux is the same, just different flavors for different tastes. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS With Windows Networks
Am pretty new to CentOS and linux. I am trying to be able to share network drives and connect to a windows workgroup with CentOS. Machines are as follows. Workgroup has been changed from WorkGroup or MSHome to my own setting All of the client machines are formatted with NTFS Windows XP Windows Vista Windows 2000 Linux CentOS Iomega Network Drive (nas) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Karanbir Singh wrote: you might want to look into exactly what is ubuntu-support and how that compares with what you get with CentOS. Its not nearly the same thing. To an extent that LTS is mostly considered a nonstarter in most very small business. Specially where the client is in a position to evaluate their options and work out the implications of what they are getting. It always surprises me how many are not. I agree with your assessment that Red Hat Co are still The Distribution for enterprise stuff. They should keep an eye on Ubuntu though, it's gaining ground real fast and it's using the best strategy (that worked before for the likes of Intel, Microsoft and, yes, Linux in general): they're co-opting the low-end first. Things are going to get pretty interesting a few years down the road. -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Drew wrote: Not likely... Storage paths are all arbitrary and if a standard has to make up a new location that breaks existing concepts they've already done something wrong. Times change. What worked well on Unix 20-30 years ago isn't necessarily the best way of doing things today. Storage paths are arbitrary. There's nothing more functional about one path than any other. This isn't about 'working well'. It's about forcing everyone to change for no reason. It's about making Linux different from other unix flavors for no reason. All while avoiding the thing that Linux actually needs which is to define a standard set of libraries and their locations that must be present so people can deliver programs that run across distributions. Websites for example have moved from static html on the arpanet university sites to the rich multimedia content we see today. Back then the idea of a website infecting a computer was unheard of. Now an entire industry has cropped up around protecting systems from malicious content. Those are functional issues, not arbitrary choices. So far the LSB has been good at making up things that nobody used before - not so good at getting everyone to agree to change (and change again every time they change their minds). I've never seen an entire industry move rapidly to adopt change unless there are significant incentives to do so. And as the incentives for Linux to do so are primarily best practices I don't expect to see a wholesale move anytime soon. Exactly. There is no reason to change from one arbitrary location to another, and without standardizing library functionality and locations the LSB provides no functional benefit. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Florin Andrei wrote: Well, it's the group bias. I keep an eye on a Kawasaki forum, and they have a knack for doing a lot of Suzuki bashing. I'm, like, WTF, they're all awesome sportbikes! :-) Same here. In the end, Linux is the same, just different flavors for different tastes. Agreed. Unfortunately, open source communities never seem to think that way. The point being, open source/Linux serves to all get to the same goal, but unfortunately, projects get a bad name for bashing other projects. The vi vs. emacs, Gnome vs. KDE, etc. rants. I was at Ohio Linux Fest this past weekend where Shawn Powers, a Linux Journal editor, opened with a keynote speech. Basically, his speech hit on that topic somewhat. I understand and appreciate passion, but I think it gets in the way sometimes when you start bashing other open source projects that are trying to reach the same goal. The point of Linux and open source is choice, and I truly don't respect the zealots that do a lot of bashing. I think it's counter-productive and exactly why Linux communities get a bad name sometimes. I understand lists are specific, but questions like this should be about what people have had good and bad experiences with things. CentOS works good here for one persons needs, but may not fit another. Regards, Max ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Florin Andrei wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: you might want to look into exactly what is ubuntu-support and how that compares with what you get with CentOS. Its not nearly the same thing. To an extent that LTS is mostly considered a nonstarter in most very small business. Specially where the client is in a position to evaluate their options and work out the implications of what they are getting. It always surprises me how many are not. I agree with your assessment that Red Hat Co are still The Distribution for enterprise stuff. They should keep an eye on Ubuntu though, it's gaining ground real fast and it's using the best strategy (that worked before for the likes of Intel, Microsoft and, yes, Linux in general): they're co-opting the low-end first. Things are going to get pretty interesting a few years down the road. Yes, keep in mind that it took many years for Red Hat to get it right (or what they think is right) and when they did, they stopped distributing the binaries for free. Ubuntu should be getting pretty close to having the support experience they need to be a match - and so far they have promised that their version will continue to be available for free. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Updating an AntiVirus trougth a proxy (ERROR)
Am 28.09.09 23:49, schrieb Alberto García Gómez: Here is my problem [r...@shannon CGPMcAfee]# ./updateDatFiles CGPMcAfee DAT files update program version 2.2 Local avvDAT version is 5726 Connecting to 'update.nai.com' [72.247.238.178:80] via HTTP protocol... *** failed to connect: socket error WHAT CAN I DO? a) do not make threads of others your own. b) Ask McAfee? You bought their application, they should give you support. Ralph ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Max Hetrick wrote: the zealots Nah, it's just the way the human mind works, according to its current blueprint. It can be pretty awesome in what it can do sometimes, but it does have obvious fundamental flaws too. You and I have biases too, but nobody is aware of their own. :) -- Florin Andrei http://florin.myip.org/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS With Windows Networks
DTS Corp wrote: Am pretty new to CentOS and linux. I am trying to be able to share network drives and connect to a windows workgroup with CentOS. Machines are as follows. Workgroup has been changed from WorkGroup or MSHome to my own setting All of the client machines are formatted with NTFS Windows XP Windows Vista Windows 2000 Linux CentOS Iomega Network Drive (nas) Was there a question in there somewhere? All of that is fairly easy to do with Samba which should have been installed by default. What have you done so far? What is working and what is not working? http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ -- Bowie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS With Windows Networks
What I am trying to do is allow filesharing from linux to windows and windows back to linux. Samba I think would work best for this, however I have no clue as to what I am doing at the moment with getting them to work. I just need a little pointing in the right direction. On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 14:19 -0400, Bowie Bailey wrote: DTS Corp wrote: Am pretty new to CentOS and linux. I am trying to be able to share network drives and connect to a windows workgroup with CentOS. Machines are as follows. Workgroup has been changed from WorkGroup or MSHome to my own setting All of the client machines are formatted with NTFS Windows XP Windows Vista Windows 2000 Linux CentOS Iomega Network Drive (nas) Was there a question in there somewhere? All of that is fairly easy to do with Samba which should have been installed by default. What have you done so far? What is working and what is not working? http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS With Windows Networks
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:30 AM, DTS Corp eric.cl...@d-t-s-corp.com wrote: What I am trying to do is allow filesharing from linux to windows and windows back to linux. Samba I think would work best for this, however I have no clue as to what I am doing at the moment with getting them to work. I just need a little pointing in the right direction. This CentOS wiki article will help: http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/WindowsShares Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] What is this
I was working in terminal and then found this on the desktop when I do an ls [r...@dtslinux Desktop]# ls bar-003ada89db.desktop hadjaha-00c578ceaf.desktop bar-004892226f.desktop hammer-0011bbeb3d.desktop blah-0055ff1151.desktop hammer-00d190a421.desktop blah-009c014480.desktop keepassx-0.4.1 eek-00db4ea619.desktop keepassx-0.4.1.tar.gz eek-00de4431f4.desktop larry-0023e3d52c.desktop fastdial.ziplarry-00a684c0cb.desktop foo-00486f05c7.desktop larry-00b63b0df7.desktop foo-00b9b9885b.desktop LINUX_PGS frobate-0006e2ba19.desktop moe-005b3271e6.desktop frobate-005c7f80ac.desktop password-export-2009-09-29.xml frobate-00b72346e3.desktop syncplaces_xbel.xml gegl-00bd38555d.desktop tightvnc-1.3.9-1.i386.rpm gegl-00ff8ceb54.desktop tightvnc-server-1.3.9-1.i386.rpm greasy-003a02bd3b.desktop tt greasy-00dc97e833.desktop westfield 2.pdf hadjaha-00288b23b8.desktop [r...@dtslinux Desktop]# ls bar-003ada89db.desktop hadjaha-00c578ceaf.desktop bar-004892226f.desktop hammer-0011bbeb3d.desktop blah-0055ff1151.desktop hammer-00d190a421.desktop blah-009c014480.desktop keepassx-0.4.1 eek-00db4ea619.desktop keepassx-0.4.1.tar.gz eek-00de4431f4.desktop larry-0023e3d52c.desktop fastdial.ziplarry-00a684c0cb.desktop foo-00486f05c7.desktop larry-00b63b0df7.desktop foo-00b9b9885b.desktop LINUX_PGS frobate-0006e2ba19.desktop moe-005b3271e6.desktop frobate-005c7f80ac.desktop password-export-2009-09-29.xml frobate-00b72346e3.desktop syncplaces_xbel.xml gegl-00bd38555d.desktop tightvnc-1.3.9-1.i386.rpm gegl-00ff8ceb54.desktop tightvnc-server-1.3.9-1.i386.rpm greasy-003a02bd3b.desktop tt greasy-00dc97e833.desktop westfield 2.pdf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS With Windows Networks
Akemi Yagi wrote: This CentOS wiki article will help: http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/WindowsShares Akemi And http://centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/ch-samba.html Ryan ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
The argument you're expressing, as I see it, is that there is really no difference whether or not the files are stored in /var or /srv because in the end they're bits on a disk so where in the file system they end up doesn't matter. /var was chosen years ago by Unix admins so why change it to /srv? My argument is that those same Unix admins no doubt placed it there because it made functional sense at the time. Over the years that location became a convention and therefore became an arbitrary location. The LSB is reviewing that same functional choice in light of what changes have occurred in how we use servers and they feel that it makes more functional sense to break those files out into their own tree. As far as breaking tradition from Unix, last time I checked porting an app of reasonable size over from Linux to Unix is not a simple process. The choice to put client facing files in one directory or another is a minor part, at best, of that process. I agree with you on standardizing libraries but I fail to see how that has any relevance to where an admin should place their client facing files. -- Drew Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. --Marie Curie ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS With Windows Networks
DTS Corp wrote: What I am trying to do is allow filesharing from linux to windows and windows back to linux. may I suggest that a network of more than 1-2 computers should have a single file server that has all the shares, and all the other computers should connect to it, so all the shared files are centralized. peer to peer workgroup style sharing becomes a big mess rather quickly. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What is this
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:29:16 -0500 DTS Corp wrote: I was working in terminal and then found this on the desktop when I do an ls [r...@dtslinux Desktop]# ls bar-003ada89db.desktop hadjaha-00c578ceaf.desktop Were you logging into X as root? That's generally a bad thing, and isn't necessary for any purpose that I'm aware of. Best practice is to login as a user, then su - root as required. Having said that: *.desktop files are usually found in your ~/.kde and/or ~/.gnome2 directories; they are the files that specify what appears where on your panel bar and desktop. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, keep in mind that it took many years for Red Hat to get it right (or what they think is right) and when they did, they stopped distributing the binaries for free. Ubuntu should be getting pretty close to having the support experience they need to be a match - and so far they have promised that their version will continue to be available for free. I don't know what Ubuntu wants eventually, but for now they seem to have a totally different mindset than Red Hat. They've positioned themselves to be the move from Windows Linux and, in doing that, they're basically pushing cutting edge. Red Hat, on the other hand, made the decision to go for the corporate server (and Desktop) market. Everything they do is geared for that purpose. Their only real competition here is SuSE. My experience with Ubuntu is mixed. It's easy to install but there always seems to be something that doesn't quite work right -- usually issues with my Intel graphics chip. I've also had problems with updates breaking what already worked. I'm using trailing edge hardware, so that could be the problem. If I used a Debian-based distribution it would probably just be Debian. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Stupid Question (Linux antivirus)
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Drew drew@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but stay as far away from them as you can. AVG 7 was great, I used to recommend it all the time, but version 8 has become really bloated and chews through resources like no-ones business. I installed it on a dual-booted (XP/Debian) Laptop w/ 512M RAM and after upgrading from 7 to 8 my machine in XP began to lag badly. That seems to be the pattern with anti-virus software. Starts out good and bloats out. I remember when McAfee and Norton (or its IBM variant) were good anti-virus applications. Then I went to AVG, used it from six on up, and also got tired of its bloat in 8. When I rebuilt my wife's XP computer I went with Avast! -- the jury is still out on that. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Stupid Question (Linux antivirus)
Ron Blizzard wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Drew drew@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but stay as far away from them as you can. AVG 7 was great, I used to recommend it all the time, but version 8 has become really bloated and chews through resources like no-ones business. I installed it on a dual-booted (XP/Debian) Laptop w/ 512M RAM and after upgrading from 7 to 8 my machine in XP began to lag badly. That seems to be the pattern with anti-virus software. Starts out good and bloats out. I remember when McAfee and Norton (or its IBM variant) were good anti-virus applications. Then I went to AVG, used it from six on up, and also got tired of its bloat in 8. When I rebuilt my wife's XP computer I went with Avast! -- the jury is still out on that. someone suggested Avira Free last time I cleaned my wife's laptop (she got a koobface virus via facebook with about 8 trojan sidekicks and some kinda ddnsfilter too)... seems pretty good, and it found some bits of the koobface I missed when I cleaned it, only annoyance is a once a day or so popup advertisement suggesting you need to buy the full version. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Drew wrote: The argument you're expressing, as I see it, is that there is really no difference whether or not the files are stored in /var or /srv because in the end they're bits on a disk so where in the file system they end up doesn't matter. /var was chosen years ago by Unix admins so why change it to /srv? Not quite. It is more a matter of a standard only being useful if everyone does what it says. Picking a new location that no one currently uses is always the worst possible choice. My argument is that those same Unix admins no doubt placed it there because it made functional sense at the time. It is not a functional thing. It's a name. Over the years that location became a convention and therefore became an arbitrary location. The LSB is reviewing that same functional choice in light of what changes have occurred in how we use servers and they feel that it makes more functional sense to break those files out into their own tree. Names are arbitrary. If you make up a new one, you ensure that you break everything that already had one - and that's mostly what the LSB has done so far. As far as breaking tradition from Unix, last time I checked porting an app of reasonable size over from Linux to Unix is not a simple process. Linus started out with the idea of emulating Solaris/SysVr4. If that's not what happened, it is a failing of Linux. And Posix imposed additional standards along the way. And of course java came along and made it possible to run things portably in spite of the OS attempts to prevent that. The choice to put client facing files in one directory or another is a minor part, at best, of that process. Aren't all files 'client facing' if the machine has a purpose? What other reason would you have for any files? I agree with you on standardizing libraries but I fail to see how that has any relevance to where an admin should place their client facing files. Standardizing libraries would be a functional reason to embrace the LSB. Otherwise it makes about as much sense as having a committee make up new names for your kids. If mount points and volume sizes were also standardized, it might be reasonable to standardize what goes where, but they aren't and shouldn't be because the machines will differ in size and purpose. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
I've been generally unhappy with my CentOS desktop both at home and at work, when it comes to thinks like sound and video. I'd recommend going with Fedora Core, to be honest. Much as I love CentOS on my servers. -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV” - Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Stupid Question (Linux antivirus)
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:17 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: someone suggested Avira Free last time I cleaned my wife's laptop (she got a koobface virus via facebook with about 8 trojan sidekicks and some kinda ddnsfilter too)... seems pretty good, and it found some bits of the koobface I missed when I cleaned it, only annoyance is a once a day or so popup advertisement suggesting you need to buy the full version. I'll look into it. Thanks. -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Ron Blizzard wrote: I've been generally unhappy with my CentOS desktop both at home and at work, when it comes to thinks like sound and video. I'd recommend going with Fedora Core, to be honest. Much as I love CentOS on my servers. I like stability over cutting edge, so CentOS (with multimedia from RPMForge) is working fine for me on my desktop and laptop computers. I don't hate Fedora, but I don't like the constant updates. But, if I didn't have the CentOS option, I'm pretty sure Fedora would be my next choice. Fedora has the advantage to a RHEL/CentOS user of having the same install/admin tools. But if you are turning the box over to someone else, Ubuntu makes much more of an effort to be user friendly. And they haven't been quite so bad as Fedora about refusing to admit that proprietary code exists. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com wrote: I like stability over cutting edge, so CentOS (with multimedia from RPMForge) What are the details on MM from RPMForge? If I could get my MM working I'd be happy. I like stability too, which is why I use it on my servers. But for desktop use, MM is pretty much a must-have. And I've used Fedora for years with no real issues. Switched to CentOS for desktop because it is recommended at my new job. So I switched at home too. -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV” - Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 15:38 -0400, Alan McKay wrote: I've been generally unhappy with my CentOS desktop both at home and at work, when it comes to thinks like sound and video. I'd recommend going with Fedora Core, to be honest. Much as I love CentOS on my servers. This is more a reply to the general thread, not Alan's answer above. When I first picked up Linux for personal use I had tried CentOS and found that it was not properly or easily configured for any multimedia use. This was when I was starting to use Linux and didn't have the patience to configure everything. This is when I switched to Fedora for personal use, I have used Fedora Core 8 through 11 and haven't found any major issues configuring it for what I need. There can be issues with any distribution regarding HD sound, but if you google them the answers are almost always there. That is all I've had major problems with in running it on my laptops. I use a Toshiba laptop and it has worked flawlessly through each of the versions (except for the sound problems noted above). CentOS is great for server use and if you want to learn CentOS for use as a server, Fedora is a great place to start because they are both redhat based. Chances are that if you got something to work in Fedora, you can get it to work in CentOS (maybe with a few extra tweaks). I am not an Ubuntu basher, but I felt it was babying me a little too much. More than I would want to when learning a new system. Nothing like trial by fire to grow your linux knowledge. With most Linux installations you will end up tweaking something that isn't working as advertised. I am not trying to scare you away from linux, but in my experience it has been the case that I had to get my hands dirty on more than one occasion. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
I am not an Ubuntu basher, but I felt it was babying me a little too much. Hmmm, maybe that's what I should put on my wife's laptop :-) I already know Linux very well - been a UNIX geek for over 20 years, and Linux geek for getting on 10 now. And I still get frustrated with how difficult it can be to set up multimedia! -- “Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV” - Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
