Re: [CentOS] missing email
I *loathe* dnsorbs Maybe this one will get through its crap. Maybe if I add a few more words John R. Dennison wrote: On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 12:49:31PM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I haven't gotten anything from the list since my email of 09:34 EST. Do I have a problem, or is the list quiet? Please cc me offlist, if this goes through. I hope you get 20,000 replies :) Nope, jes' one, so far. snip You _could_ just have checked the archive. Actually, I went to the archives, and at least saw something from *sigh* Bennett that was dated 12:34 or so today; that was why I asked. Dunno if someone (NOT my hosting co - I don't have any filtering turned on) is delaying, or filtering, or if I'd been dropped for some reason, or Thanks, though. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
John R Pierce wrote: On 01/09/12 6:09 AM, John Doe wrote: Works fine here... On some PCs/servers the key is sdb... the days of relying on /dev/sd? are long past. Heh. See the point of a related thread, where mkswap -L did. not. work. No label... 'scsi' devices renumber themselves on every boot. case in point, So we use labels. I *loathe* UUIDs. Quick, tell my yours on one system without looking (as would be the case if the drive crashed). snip I've even labelled software RAID partitions. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos6.2, parted and alignment
John R Pierce wrote: I have a large raid (lsi megaraid sas2 9261-8i card) and when I use parted to initialize it as the one big partition I want, it gives me a warning. snip # parted -a optimal /dev/sda mkpart primary 128s -1s Warning: You requested a partition from 65.5kB to 81.0TB. The closest location we can manage is 65.5kB to 81.0TB. Is this still acceptable to you? Yes/No? yes Warning: The resulting partition is not properly aligned for best performance. Ignore/Cancel? i Information: You may need to update /etc/fstab. snip If *anyone* has the answer to this, I want to know. Or maybe we should just file a bug against parted, which ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY does *not* want to a) align it for best performance, or b) *TELL* you what you need to align it. Using gparted (GUIs, why did it have to be GUIs), you at least don't get that idiot warning. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] missing email
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 01/09/2012 07:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I *loathe* dnsorbs Maybe this one will get through its crap. Maybe if I add a few more words John R. Dennison wrote: On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 12:49:31PM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I haven't gotten anything from the list since my email of 09:34 EST. Do I have a problem, or is the list quiet? snip You _could_ just have checked the archive. Actually, I went to the archives, and at least saw something from *sigh* Bennett that was dated 12:34 or so today; that was why I asked. Dunno if someone (NOT my hosting co - I don't have any filtering turned on) is delaying, or filtering, or if I'd been dropped for some reason, or I have seen few times when several replies came 2-3 hours before the original thread starter. I think Grey-listing could be responsible. Yeah, but grey-listing *outbound*? #include indignant.h Or were you suggesting my email was grey-listed? mark actually, my cloak is green, not grey ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
John R Pierce wrote: On 01/09/12 10:33 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: So we use labels. I*loathe* UUIDs. Quick, tell my yours on one system without looking (as would be the case if the drive crashed). from my rescue environment, I'd use: xfs_admin -u /dev/ (or the somewhat messier ext? equiv) labels get messy too, when you have 27 systems and a half dozen file systems each. you want your labels globally unique so if you plug a volume into another system for repair there's no collisions. our They are? I dunno - ours are labelled where they're intended to be mounted, like / or /boot hostnames tend to be messy and nearly as unreadable as a uuid, so embedding them in a label wouldn't actually be much help. Oh, you're in one of *those* places This machine was bought under this account, and is part of this project, and there's 1-4 char abbreviations for each, and . snip mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
Les Mikesell wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:11 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: labels get messy too, when you have 27 systems and a half dozen file systems each. you want your labels globally unique so if you plug a volume into another system for repair there's no collisions. our They are? I dunno - ours are labelled where they're intended to be mounted, like / or /boot On which machine? Don't you ever move drives around? Things can get ugly with duplicate labels even if the reason you added a used disk was just to reformat it and reuse as a different mount. On all of them. They should be running the same o/s. Move them around? No, not unless we're replacing one that's either failed, or too small. And with hostname and IP via dhcp, there's only a few things to worry about, such as if it's an h/a or HPC cluster member, or backups, home directory server, whatever. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
John R Pierce wrote: On 01/09/12 11:11 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: They are? I dunno - ours are labelled where they're intended to be mounted, like / or /boot don't plug one of those into a different system for repair or you'll have all kinda grief. $HOSTNAME_root would be the sane way to do it... I'm trying to figure out why I'd plug one into a different system for repair. Either the drive's bad, or I'm re-embodying a server that died, but left good drives. If it's going bad, the *only* thing I'm going to do is plug it into a hot-swap bay (just about all of ours have those, love them) to recover some data, then wipe it. hostnames tend to be messy and nearly as unreadable as a uuid, so embedding them in a label wouldn't actually be much help. Oh, you're in one of *those* places This machine was bought under this account, and is part of this project, and there's 1-4 char abbreviations for each, and . well, $job is at a large multinational... company standardized hostnames start with a 3 letter site prefix, then -S for server, then a 6 digit department ID, then -nnn as a server ID within that group. fug-ly. projects are too transient and servers tend to bounce around between physical and virtual over their life cycle. Exactly what I was implying. Been there, but mostly in smaller groups, so we could name our own. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
Again, I *HATE* dnsorbs This was bounced, which makes twice today. snip more text, add a few more words, we'll see if this makes it. John R Pierce wrote: On 01/09/12 12:05 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: John R Pierce wrote: On 01/09/12 11:11 AM,m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: They are? I dunno - ours are labelled where they're intended to be mounted, like / or /boot don't plug one of those into a different system for repair or you'll have all kinda grief. $HOSTNAME_root would be the sane way to do it... I'm trying to figure out why I'd plug one into a different system for repair. Either the drive's bad, or I'm re-embodying a server that died, but left good drives. If it's going bad, the*only* thing I'm going to do is plug it into a hot-swap bay (just about all of ours have those, love them) to recover some data, then wipe it. exactly. and if you put that drive in a hotswap bay of another system that is using the same label, thats a potential for a big mess. same snip Why? If I shove it into another system, I'm *not* rebooting using it, just putting it into a spare bay; then I'll mount /dev/sdwhatever /mnt. No problem. But this thread's gotten way OT: *does* anyone have any idea what the .img file is that the running o/s from install.img is looking for, after the partitioning, when it's ready to install? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] missing email
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 01/09/2012 07:43 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: John R. Dennison wrote: On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 12:49:31PM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I haven't gotten anything from the list since my email of 09:34 EST. Do I have a problem, or is the list quiet? snip someone (NOT my hosting co - I don't have any filtering turned on) is delaying, or filtering, or if I'd been dropped for some reason, or I have seen few times when several replies came 2-3 hours before the original thread starter. I think Grey-listing could be responsible. Yeah, but grey-listing *outbound*? #includeindignant.h Or were you suggesting my email was grey-listed? I am officially confused. You said you were not *receiving* *any* mails from the list. So my assumption was inbound mail from mailing list to you. That is what happened to me. Right. And I get my email from this list during the day via wegmail, and my email is on hosting I pay for, not my ISP's server, and I don't have filtering enabled in any way. (Great, now all the spammers reading this list will offer me pills to enlarge and/or firm up some portion of my anatomy or wallet) Therefore, I don't understand where the greylisting you're suggesting would occur, unless it's on the CentOS host. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
John R Pierce wrote: On 01/09/12 12:31 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Again, I*HATE* dnsorbs This was bounced, which makes twice today. snip more text, add a few more words, we'll see if this makes it. your email is being relayed through 66.147.249.253 (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com) which appears on several spam lists, for instance, sorbs says 100s of spams have been sent from that host in the past interval. you want to use a spammer-friendly service as your mail server, expect to be treated as a spammer and blocked by admins tired of the deluge.. Let's go through this again - we did it months ago. My site is hosted by hostmonster, which also operates as bluehost. They are a *large* provider, with hundreds of thousands of domains, and the email from all of them go through their (few) email servers. Therefore, when 100 or so of them running WinBlows get their hosts infected, and they send out spam, and the hosting provider hasn't caught them yet, hundreds of thousands of the rest of us get hit with the same block. Who here is *not* using a work email? Who here posts from their own hosting site? Has this ever happened to you? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
John R Pierce wrote: On 01/09/12 1:13 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Let's go through this again - we did it months ago. My site is hosted by hostmonster, which also operates as bluehost. They are a*large* provider, with hundreds of thousands of domains, and the email from all of them go through their (few) email servers. Therefore, when 100 or so of them running WinBlows get their hosts infected, and they send out spam, and the hosting provider hasn't caught them yet, hundreds of thousands of the rest of us get hit with the same block. Thats a BS excuse. gmail has MILLIONS more users than bluehost, yet doesn't seem to ever be used to relay spam. Why? they are proactive rather than reactive. Bluehost is a cutrate provider who only reacts when forced, or this wouldn't keep recurring over and over again. Ok, fine. Find me a hosting provider with similar rates - I don't have a commercial site - and then get my money refunded that I've prepaid, and the move of my stuff. And I resent you suggesting that I chose them without doing due dilligence, without getting a recommendations for hosting providers from friends, some of whom have been online a *very* long time. I should jump every time a provider falls behind? And no, I will NOT go to gmail - when I use pop-3 and delete, I want it *GONE* forever off the server. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 01/09/2012 10:13 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: snip Who here is *not* using a work email? Who here posts from their own hosting site? Has this ever happened to you? I own my own domain/server/subnet. My WISP customers can only send mail via my server, with all the prevention's I could think of. I have never been hit with this (but I do have small customer base), but I have had regular domains (like one local Bank!!!) blocked to deliver to my server because they do not have proper FQDN. As I noted in another email, I don't have a commercial site. Buying a static IP from Verizon, to run a server from home, is a *lot* more expensive than just a 'Net connection and an inexpensive hosting provider. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Was Re: USB install annoyances, is, OT, hosting providers
I've changed the subject line. It has nothing to do with my question with my original post, that no one seems to have any answer to, what file image# 1 is looking for. This bloody email has now been blocked *twice*. Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 01/09/2012 10:43 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 01/09/2012 10:13 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: snip Who here is *not* using a work email? Who here posts from their own hosting site? Has this ever happened to you? I own my own domain/server/subnet. My WISP customers can only send mail So, you're your own hosting, as well as personal, provider. via my server, with all the prevention's I could think of. I have never been hit with this (but I do have small customer base), but I have had regular domains (like one local Bank!!!) blocked to deliver to my server because they do not have proper FQDN. Please - I can't email some of my Congresscritters or Senators, here in the US, because the idiot who's in charge of the Congress' webservers hasn't discovered that top-level country codes exist and are valid. As I noted in another email, I don't have a commercial site. Buying a static IP from Verizon, to run a server from home, is a *lot* more expensive than just a 'Net connection and an inexpensive hosting provider. It is OK. You asked who, and I answered, that is all. If I was not on the semi-reliable 150Km Wireless link, I would be able to provide quality service. I appreciate your response. There's also a slight distance... and I figure that the CIA and the FBI would have the successor to Carnivore staring at my every email if I used you as a hosting provider. g Believe it or not, I am one of the *very* *very* rare hosting providers in Serbia (local mostly) that provide SSL POP3/SMTP connection via port 995 and 465. There is maybe one or two providers on 7 million citizens. And yes, I forgot to write about reverse DNS, I have that too. You're doing a really professional job. There's way too many over here who don't have a clue, other than I'll get rich!!! mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Was Re: USB install annoyances, is, OT, hosting providers
Craig White wrote: On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:05 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I've changed the subject line. It has nothing to do with my question with my original post, that no one seems to have any answer to, what file image# 1 is looking for. This bloody email has now been blocked *twice*. quite simply, it's obviously the methodology that you use to send e-mail and that may very well include 3rd parties. What third parties? 5-cent.us is hosted, as I said, and you seem to ignore, on hostmonster. The same company is also bluehost - they are one and the same: I assume there was a merger a few years back. They funnel all their email through a few mailhosts for the entire hosting provider. *THAT* is what's being blocked. I've argued before that blocks should be by source - actual source, the oldest Received-From, not from the last mailer. I think that would a) get the hosts/virtual hosts send out the spam, not the last email host, *and* would block the crap sent out that fraudulently puts in Reply-to: with other folks' email (I'm really not sending all that spam to addresses in the Netherlands or Italy). you can choose to fix it or continue to suffer the vagaries that are apparent in your methods to get an e-mail to the intended target - it's your choice. Of course this is not the first time you've complained on the same topic and the cause is still the same. Yeah. And I've said all along that I don't like dnsorbs, due to what I consider a bad methodology. I am *NOT* going to jump hosting providers every time this happens. Unless, of course, you have a good-sized hosting provider in the US who charges inexpensive rates for domain hosting that has *NEVER* been blocked. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?
e-letter wrote: Readers, Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version of java should be reported as a bug; http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so error-prone, b) so vulnerable to attack, and c) so huge and slow, and shouldn't be allowed mark java; why did it have to be java? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] defense-in-depth possible for sshd?
John Doe wrote: From: Bennett Haselton benn...@peacefire.org On 1/10/2012 5:16 AM, John Doe wrote: The sshd child is running as bob; so it has bob (and not root) rights... Yes, I understand that. What I said was that if you could take complete control of the sshd process you were connecting to, even if that process was completely unprivileged, you could still make it say Accept a login from 'root' with password 'foo' and then log in as root. How would your bob owned child sshd take complete control of the parent root owned sshd...? I have not read the details of any given exploit, but as I understand it, if one can craft an exploit that breaks in the middle of the login, the child would die, leaving one in the parent (root) process. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version of java should be reported as a bug; http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so error-prone, b) so vulnerable to attack, and c) so huge and slow, and shouldn't be allowed But you'd be wrong on all counts. I'd argue the opposite - that you should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor. No, I wouldn't. You argue wrongly. For one, by your first sentence, you deny all of my arguments, with no reasons for that denial. As someone who's worked more as a programmer than an admin, and both for a long time, in a lot of languages, I see almost all java programs as huge. I also know that *if* you write your code correctly, the code will compile and run on pretty much anything, unless you're writing windowing-system specific stuff. Then there's java, that in everything I read from the mid-nineties through the mid-oughts, was presented as being free from memory errors, etc, etc, but as one huge counter-example, just about every time I see a tomcat app crash, the stack traces are 150-200 calls deep, and there are, indeed, memory errors. Further, it's nothing more than a re-imagining (as they say) of Pascal p-code (quick: what other language besides java used the command writeln?). The difference between recompile and run on a vm that's compiled for that machine is? Oh, right, it is, in effect, another layer that sits on top of the o/s, like a pseudo-os, or windowing system. I can go on... but I really need to get around to writing my article to be entitled, The Failure of OOP in General, and Java in Particular. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances (not OT)
I've retried again, and it still fails. I see that it's mounted /dev/sda2, which is where I've got the contents of a DVD, as /mnt/isolinux. The contents of that are: ls -a .GPLTRANS.TBL .. Packages images .discinfoRELEASE-NOTES-en-US.html isolinux .treeinfoRPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-6 lost+found CentOS_BuildTag RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-Debug-6 repodata EFI RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-Security-6 EULA RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-Testing-6 I've tried mounting /dev/sda2 on a new mountpoint, and both ln -s isolinux and images to /mnt/isolinux, and neither was accepted. Does anyone have any idea at all what the thing is looking for? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote: But you'd be wrong on all counts. I'd argue the opposite - that you should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor. So if I were to develop a CPU type and/or OS that didn't support Java then you would lock yourself out of the very language you appear to advocate? Being locked out of some oddball thing is not at all the same situation as being locked into what only a single vendor provides. But try something like 'jenkins' (http://jenkins-ci.org/) with an assortment of cross-platform nodes to get the idea of how handy a language with remoting across many platforms can be. It's painless to install try, even if you only use it on a single box. I have a one-word answer: perl. A longer answer - are you suggesting system admin chores being done using some kind of java monstrosity? I mean, I don't remember what Spacewalk's written in, but it was a very large pain, and if it's not in java, then the java version would be a *lot* worse. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances (not OT)
John Doe wrote: From: m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us I've retried again, and it still fails. I see that it's mounted /dev/sda2, which is where I've got the contents of a DVD, as /mnt/isolinux. Unless you specifically need the DVD contents, maybe try with the ISOs instead... This doesn't vaguely answer my question. The install.img mounted the partition, by itself, as /mnt/isolinux. That's what *IT* did. I thought I had the partition as a clone of the dvd by mount -o loop and rsync. But I've just rebuilt the USB key partition from the latest 2 DVDs we have locally (I rsync'd Pagckages/. from the second one into the Packages directory I made when I rsync'd the first DVD, so it should look like a one-disk DVD. As soon as that finishes, I'll try another time Unless someone has the explicit answer to what is the image, or directory, the install.img wants to mount to get the repo, please don't reply. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] bug submission justified for distribution of obsolete java software?
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Would someone advise whether the distribution of an obsolete version of java should be reported as a bug; http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=827 One *could* argue that Java is a bug, being a) so error-prone, b) so vulnerable to attack, and c) so huge and slow, and shouldn't be allowed But you'd be wrong on all counts. I'd argue the opposite - that you should only be allowed to use languages that work across CPU types and OS's so as to never be locked into a monopolistic single vendor. No, I wouldn't. You argue wrongly. For one, by your first sentence, you deny all of my arguments, with no reasons for that denial. The reasons are obvious. Java is common on phones, so there goes the 'huge' argument. OpenNMS can monitor thousands of nodes, so it's not Really? And how much memory is in them? And is it optimized for the phones? Is it a subset of the full JVM? slow. It's not more or less vulnerable to attack than anything else, so why even mention it? Based on the reports, more vulnerable. And every bloody java app I've had to deal with ranges from acceptable to slwww. As someone who's worked more as a programmer than an admin, and both for a long time, in a lot of languages, I see almost all java programs as huge. snip I also know that *if* you write your code correctly, the code will compile and run on pretty much anything, unless you're writing windowing-system specific stuff. That's if you know every quirk of every target system - and have all the associated compilers, and take the time to compile on all of them. Hah. You mean like gcc, that runs on everything I've ever heard of? Then there's java, that in everything I read from the mid-nineties through the mid-oughts, was presented as being free from memory errors, etc, etc, but as one huge counter-example, just about every time I see a tomcat app crash, the stack traces are 150-200 calls deep, and there are, indeed, memory errors. You can write badly in any language, can't you? And why bring up old versions? You can take just about anything you were running in the Old versions? Only if you want to call crashes last year, on the current openjdk or Sun java on an updated CentOS old. 90's up to maybe a few months ago and realize now that it had horrible bugs. Unless maybe it was written by Donald Knuth... I dunno 'bout that. A lot of the C code or the perl, esp. if I, or people I respected based on evidence had anything to do with, did maintenance on it, didn't have more bugs than crap written today. (Btw, have you seen the report today on slashdot, about the FBI's Sentinel case management system, that LockMart was writing using Agile methodology, is way behind and delayed again...?) Further, it's nothing more than a re-imagining (as they say) of Pascal p-code (quick: what other language besides java used the command writeln?). That's a good thing, now that (a) processes are fast enough that you don't care about the interpreter speed and (b) there are techniques to use native libraries anywhere it does matter. Sorry, but I've run into a lot of sites that are dog-slow, and it's *not* my connection. The difference between recompile and run on a vm that's compiled for that machine is? Oh, right, it is, in effect, another layer that sits on top of the o/s, like a pseudo-os, or windowing system. Yes, if you don't like language abstractions you could code in assembly for a particular CPU. That's a non-sequiteur. All compilers can do that... but except for things like device drivers, very few folks have ever touched assembly. I can go on... but I really need to get around to writing my article to be entitled, The Failure of OOP in General, and Java in Particular. There's something to be said for functional programming and message passing instead of objects in these days of distributed and multi-cpu systems, but nobody really thinks that way. A friend who worked for (was it ArcInfo? Or Autocad?) back in the late seventies, or maybe it was early eighties, told me they were early adopters of OOP, and they had an orientation talk, and were handed cheat sheets: method == function, message passing == parameter passing, etc. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Question
Gene Poole wrote: We've got about 200 existing servers running CentOS/RHEL 5.6 and all new servers are being provisioned using CentOS/RHEL 6.1. So that everything is consistent we need to upgrade the servers running CentOS/RHEL 5.6. I've searched the CentOS wiki, the Red Hat site, and the internet looking for something official on upgrading/migrating from CentOS/RHEL 5.x to CentOS/RHEL 6.x. There's got to be a way other than having 2 times hardware. Any ideas??? What we do is build one, then create /boot/new and /new on the next server, rsync over to them, then mkdir /boot/old and /old, and (using zsh with modules loaded) mv * old, mv old/lost+found ., mv old/new/* ., make sure a few things are correct (for example, ifcfg-eth*, /etc/ssh/), and sync, then reboot. All your other stuff is fine mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances
Darr247 wrote: But this thread's gotten way OT: *does* anyone have any idea what the .img file is that the running o/s from install.img is looking for, after the partitioning, when it's ready to install? Possibly, but without the info I previously requested, I won't be trying to reproduce the problem. e.g. the source file[s] and command[s] used to make your bootable USB stick. I started by listing that: 1. I have a partitioned USB stick, 8G, with a 10M FAT32 partition, and the rest as ext3. 2. Rsync'd isolinux to the FAT partition, renamed isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg 3. syslinux to the USB 4. mounted DVD.iso, and rsync'd all of that to the ext3 partition. 5. mounted the second DVD, and rsync'd Packages/* to the Packages directory already there, and so have a 1 DVD, effectively, on the USB. But the question is what image# 1 that it's looking for? It's not trying to look on the USB for an .iso, is it? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances (not OT)
Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane wrote: Behalf Of m.r...@5-cent.us John Doe wrote: From: m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us I've retried again, and it still fails. I see that it's mounted /dev/sda2, which is where I've got the contents of a DVD, as /mnt/isolinux. Unless you specifically need the DVD contents, maybe try with the ISOs instead... This doesn't vaguely answer my question. snip From what I recall: you can * boot the USB * layout and format the disks (we assume using anaconda) And when you get towards package selection, anaconda fails indicating ' that it can't find image# 1.' The image# 1 it is looking for is the .iso which could have been burnt to a DVD for doing the install, i.e., not something from the images directory from THAT iso. As RHEL6 anaconda derives from something post the rawhide that I submitted the following bug on, it may help you understand. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435976 summary: anaconda will not trust any mounted file system for the rpm's to install, it only trusts media images and http. So you're saying that the second partition has to actually hold a .iso, *not* the contents? Augh! Well, I'll delete the contents of the filesystem, and rsync the .iso, and try again. I *did* note, this last time (I thought I'd found something else), that the popup window said iso 9660 Thanks! mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances (not OT)[SOLVED]
Yet another denial - it's as though it's also blocking me based on the relationship of included text vs. new text. blah, blah, blah. Let's see if this is enough new text to get through. Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane wrote: Behalf Of m.r...@5-cent.us snip I've retried again, and it still fails. I see that it's mounted /dev/sda2, which is where I've got the contents of a DVD, as /mnt/isolinux. Unless you specifically need the DVD contents, maybe try with the ISOs instead... snip And when you get towards package selection, anaconda fails indicating ' that it can't find image# 1.' The image# 1 it is looking for is the .iso which could have been burnt to a DVD for doing the install, i.e., not something from the images directory from THAT iso. snip Thank you, Todd, that was the answer. So, in RHEL 6, they're protecting us against ourselves (we might not have copied everything). So with the FAT32 partition as it was, I then deleted everything on the second partition, and copied both DVDs onto it... and it's installing even as we speak. I suppose I need to submit a revised how to build a USB key for CentOS 6. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Upgrade Question
Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:35 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: We've got about 200 existing servers running CentOS/RHEL 5.6 and all new servers are being provisioned using CentOS/RHEL 6.1. So that everything is consistent we need to upgrade the servers running CentOS/RHEL 5.6. snip Any ideas??? What we do is build one, then create /boot/new and /new on the next server, rsync over to them, then mkdir /boot/old and /old, and (using zsh with modules loaded) mv * old, mv old/lost+found ., mv old/new/* ., make sure a few things are correct (for example, ifcfg-eth*, /etc/ssh/), and sync, then reboot. All your other stuff is fine Have you looked at http://rear.sourceforge.net/ (and in EPEL) as a potential backup/clone/rollout mechanism? It seems like something snip The one difference with the method we use is that you *don't* have to format /, and so anything you have under it is still safe. We normally have a few directories that are local, and so need to be saved (web, a temp that everyone can use that is guaranteed *not* to go away, etc). It's also pretty quick: you don't affect the running system while you're rsyncing over, so then the rotation takes long enough to issue the few commands, check grub and fstab, and reboot. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] USB install annoyances (not OT)[SOLVED] (mostly)
Denniston, Todd A CIV NAVSURFWARCENDIV Crane wrote: Behalf Of m.r...@5-cent.us snip I've retried again, and it still fails. I see that it's mounted /dev/sda2, which is where I've got the contents of a DVD, as /mnt/isolinux. Unless you specifically need the DVD contents, maybe try with the ISOs instead... snip And when you get towards package selection, anaconda fails indicating ' that it can't find image# 1.' The image# 1 it is looking for is the .iso which could have been burnt to a DVD for doing the install, i.e., not something from the images directory from THAT iso. snip Thank you, Todd, that was the answer. So, in RHEL 6, they're protecting us against ourselves (we might not have copied everything). So with the FAT32 partition as it was, I then deleted everything on the second partition, and copied both DVDs onto it... and it's installing even as we speak. I suppose I need to submit a revised how to build a USB key for CentOS 6. And then there's the bug report I need to file: my only question being whether it's with CentOS, or upstream. Given this stupid bios, I had to make the USB key /dev/sda, so I told it not to install the bootloader. Went to reboot with linux rescue to install grub... and the same program that mounts the iso for the install, will *not* do that for linux rescue, and it wants images/install.img in the directory mark ah, consistancy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] with Centos6 i cant Partition on 3TB Disks, problem
Hi, Marko, Marko Weber wrote: i try to install Centos 6 on a Server with 2x 3TB Disks. When anaconda is showing up the disk partitioner i cant do more then 3 normal Partitions or more then 3 Raid Partitions. Even when u choose that each partition is 200mb, u cant do more then 3 normal or raid partitions. is this a bug of anaconda installer? I *think* disk druid (or whatever it's called) is based on fdisk. For larger than 2TB partitions, you need parted or gparted. Consider a) booting off a rescue disk b) using gparted to partition them: note that you *will* need to make them gpt, *not* the normal mbr. c) make usable partitions for /boot and /. d) make larger partitions for whatever else you want. The normal goes back to the M$ DOS days, and 2TB is the max, and only four primary partitions are allowed. Beyond that, you make an extended partition, and make partitions in that. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Write to USB pendrives horribly slow
Blah, blah, blah, Being blocked again, still appears to be based on new content vs. included content. Which makes it very annoying when I want to include context for my response. blah, blah, blah, new content. Hi, wwp, wwp wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:31:43 +0100 Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: On 01/11/2012 08:45 AM, wwp wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:57:14 -0800 (PST) John Doejd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: wwpsubscr...@free.fr I wonder if some mount options aren't wrong with USB pendrives, see: /dev/sdd1 on /media/monolith type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush) my suspicion is about the flush option, which I find atypical here. snip ehci_hcd does manage my devices (it's not a loadable module, apparently compiled in kernel instead), see for instance: kernel: usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 28 snip This may be a dumb question, but have you done an lsusb? I'd be curious - I know that on my brand new, as of a few months ago, Dell I have two kinds of USB ports, 1.1 and 2.0. We also have some 1.1 webcams... and some 1.0. See if your pen drive's in a slower port. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Is Amanda vaulting what I need for archiving data?
Hey, Alan, Alan McKay wrote: snip gtar on the back end, which is how I ended up at Amanda. In looking through some of the initial configuration how-tos it seemed as though this was massively over-complex for my application. But then I hit upon vaulting http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/How_To:Copy_Data_from_Volume_to_Volume snip Basically I work in a scientific research lab (stem cell research) where the scientists produce a fair bit of raw data. We want to periodically take the data and archive it to tape and then remove it from disk and store the tape in our archival facility. We'd need a record of what is snip For one thing, I think you seriously need to look at backup up to offline hard drives, instead of tapes. Unless you really want/need to archive the tapes for seven years, or whatever, legally, tapes are not the preferred solution these days: they're very slow to use for recovery, and h/d's are large and fast, and still cheap. We back up to backup servers, then, every couple of weeks, I run rsync backups (well, we have a locally-rolled system to run the rsync) onto offline drives - in our case, I swap large drives into an eSATA drive bay. When I'm done, they go in the fire safe. I will note that I work for a US federal agency who I shouldn't mention (I do not speak for the agency or my employer), and our division generates a lot of data, also: easily half a terabyte for one user, and a number for the group that does protein folding mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] confidence in partitioning tool (6.2)
Les Mikesell wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Windows 7 laptop that I want to make dual boot with CentOS 6.2. My plan was to use the Windows Disk Management tool to partition the disk, but I do not have the needed admin rights on the box to use that. Has anyone used the partitioning tool that comes with 6.2 to do snip Two things: on the one hand, you're familiar with the std. instructions to use Windows' defragger before you resize the partitions, correct? On the other... if you don't have admin rights, are you sure you, personally, won't get into trouble (I'm assuming this is a work machine) for doing this, and, for that matter, that when desktop support checks conformance to organization policy, that they won't ghost it back to what it was? mark, wondering if he's still graylisted ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] confidence in partitioning tool (6.2)
Jonathan Nilsson wrote: Larry wrote: snip I didn't come here to debate VM's. I was just looking for someone to say Yeah, I used the CentOS partitioning it and it worked like a charm or I used it and it was a disaster. sorry if i sounded cross; i am not trying to be argumentative. it's just that from my experience dual-booting has not been worth the effort unless it is truly needed for the hardware performance, and running CentOS on a laptop (depending on the model) may prove challenging to get all the hardware to work. as for partitioning, i have not had success using any linux installer to resize an existing Windows partition. supposedly gparted on a livecd can snip I've done it a few times; most recently, with my netbook (ok, it's got the Ubuntu netbook remix on it, but I'm getting annoyed enough to maybe put CentOS on - I like stability), and have never had a problem. As I said, do the defrag, then yes, you *can* use Linux's fdisk, it's perfectly fine with a DOS MBR, and won't break anything. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] fqdn hostname fails after reboot
Chris wrote: 2012/2/8 Tony Schreiner anthony.schrei...@bc.edu: On Feb 8, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Chris wrote: I have several machines running CentOS 6.2 and a strange problem with the hostname of one machine... After every reboot it loses the fqdn hostname. snip Everything is okay ... Something I've never experienced before. Does anyone have an idea? snip I have 5 systems with the same DNS configuration. (name servers in /etc/resolv.conf) It seems that /etc/hosts is ignored.. on this system only. But I do not know why :( AH! A light may be dawning. What's the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] oops, or how to bring a datacenter router down with one setting
Bob Hoffman wrote: Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote /Fri Feb 10 06:47:22 EST 2012/ On 02/10/2012 12:54 AM, Bob Hoffman wrote: / so I gave up on bonding. // I found about 300 posts showing eth0 and eth1 both pointing to br0 (bridge) // as interfaces. // I followed them correctly, or so I thought. // I pointed both ethx to the bridge, restarted network and bam...!!! snip I was not bonding at this time. I am wondering though why the network manager overwrites resolv.conf if NM is off, all ifcfg files say nm_controlled=no, and chkconfig NetworkManager off was run. dhcp running? That will update resolv.conf; NM not needed. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] script regular expression
Steve Brooks wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012, Alejandro Rodriguez Luna wrote:
Hi everyone, I was creating a script and i found something i can't
figure out.
#/bin/bash
for i in $(cat certificates.txt)
do
echo $i
done
I expected this
RSA Secure Server Certification Authority
VeriSign Class 1 CA Individual Subscriber-Persona Not Validated
but i got this
RSA
Secure
snip
Sure will. i is in the list RSA Secure etc. and each word is a member of
the list, separated by whitespace. Y'know, it would be a lot easier to do
awk '{print $0;}' certificates.txt, which would be exactly what you want.
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Re: [CentOS] oops, or how to bring a datacenter router down with one setting
Devin Reade wrote: snip I do have clusters where bonding is in use but those have helped not so much in avoiding NIC failures as they do in allowing the machines to continue operating as the network team brings down part of the redundant switch network for maintenance (or to replace a failed switch, or when some fool decides that they can unplug a network cable briefly so that they can move other cables around). Now wait a minute - I would dearly love to disconnect some cables we have in a shared rack downstairs in the datacenter - it's a rats' nest, and more than half ain't ours, and every single time I have to do something in the back, I'm deathly afraid I'm going to pull out somebody's power, or mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] oops, or how to bring a datacenter router down with one setting
Devin Reade wrote: --On Friday, February 10, 2012 04:40:59 PM -0500 m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Devin Reade wrote: snip or when some fool decides that they can unplug a network cable briefly so that they can move other cables around). Now wait a minute - I would dearly love to disconnect some cables we have in a shared rack downstairs in the datacenter [...] My complaint is not with moving cables, it's in doing so without having proper change control. Change control? We're talking about a datacenter that provides racks, power, and connectivity, and the responsible folks from various Institutes get to rack, connect, etc them all Clean data centers == good Arbitrarily moving hardware without planning and authorization == bad The racks are locked, so no one who doesn't have access to the rack can do anything, but this shared rack! mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Adding Mandarin support - pointers?
I've had a request from one of my users to add Mandarin support. A few quick googles gets me nothing, nor looking for adding language support. Anyone have a pointer to info on adding whatever packages/group packages I need? Thanks in advance. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Adding Mandarin support - pointers?
John Doe wrote: From: m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us I've had a request from one of my users to add Mandarin support. A few quick googles gets me nothing, nor looking for adding language support. Anyone have a pointer to info on adding whatever packages/group packages I need? Something like that? yum install @Chinese Support As I've never needed to do it before, I had no idea, and was a tad annoyed that my google found nothing in the way of advice or howtos. With that, thanks a lot, John, it worked, as reported by my user. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Removing All Packages From Repository
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
On 02/13/2012 09:54 PM, Matt wrote:
Is there a way to remove all packages from a certain repository such
as RPMFORGE?
yum remove $(yum list installed | grep repoforge | awk '{ print $1 }')
where repoforge is the part of the repository name that show up in yum
list
That's silly:
yum remove $(yum list installed | awk '{if ($0 ~ /repoforge) { print $1;}}')
mark, still awking after all these years.
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Re: [CentOS] question on unused directories in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64
Craig Thompson wrote: Hardly kidding. But then again, this is early April isn't it? Oh, wait... To cleanly uninstall unused software, one would need a list of what software is ON the system which is unused. Doing a minimal install pretty much gives you a system which no one can use. Doing the classic I agree. I just did a minimal install last week, and had all *kinds* of grief trying to get networking working. server install loads a lot of this junk which no one ever uses. As someone opined on this list, Why does CentOS install bluetooth packages??? I don't want it on my server. I'm trying to find out what the commonly UNUSED packages are so they can be removed. Yup. For that matter, why would I want avahi running on a rackmount server that's hardwired for gigabit ethernet? But you get that, too, with server. I randomly selected one package pango and found it had about 200 dependencies and uninstalled it. Lucky? But I'm sure there are more. There are indeed some packages that have a ridiculous set of dependencies. I can't remember what it was - it's been months, but I wanted to install some command line tool, and it wanted gnome installed. snip mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] question on unused directories in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64
John R Pierce wrote: On 02/15/12 1:13 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I agree. I just did a minimal install last week, and had all*kinds* of grief trying to get networking working. huh? I did a minimal install of C6 and it came up on DHCP right off the bat. I don't even think I had to start sshd (at least, if I did, I forgot to record such on my installation notes) Let me think I *think* it might have been on a blade, so there may have been some oddness. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] question on unused directories in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64
Craig Thompson wrote:
Thanks, Lamar. This is the type of helpful response I was looking for.
If anyone has any other practical lists of junk please post them.
My goal is to develop my own list, put it in a basic shell script and
remove them wholesale. I've done this for generally unused services which
I run upon installation of a basic system, and it works well.
The more community input, the better, IMO.
snip
Here's a thought:
yum grouplist | awk '{if ($3 ~ /Groups/ ) { doit = ($1 ~ /Install/ ) ? 1 :
0;} if ( doit ) { print $0; }}'
This will name all the groups that are installed. if you see, say, Office
Suite and Productivity, you can do a yum remove @Office Suite and
Productivity
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Re: [CentOS] anyone else having flash trouble?
fred smith wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 07:50:11AM +, Jake Shipton wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:36:14 -0500 fred smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote: On my centos 5.7 system, using Firefox 10.1, suddenly flash videos have stopped working, like, today. they worked yesterday. Now all I get is an error message that the flash plugin has crashed, reload page and try again. snip Yes, I'm using the nvidia driver bundle from Nvidia's web site. but then I ALWAYS have been (this machine is something like 3 years old). However, I did update it recently, I'll have to see if I can figure out exactly when that was (less than a week...), and maybe reinstall the one I had previously. Strong recommendation: enable elrepo, at least for kmod-nvidia and xorg-x11-drv-nvidia. That way, when you update, it will autoupdate and autorebuild for you. I've just started moving that was for my people (and me) who have nvidia (esp old nvidia) cards. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] smartd and smartctl
A few weeks ago, one of my servers started complaining, via smartd, that one drive had one unreadable sector. I umounted it, and ran an fsck -c, then remounted it. Error didn't go away. Now, what's really annoying is that I've gotten back to it today, and it's reporting the problem, as it has for weeks now, every half an hour. However, when I run smartctl -q errorsonly -H -l selftest -l error /dev/sdb it gives me *nothing*. Anyone understand why I get two different results? mark and I am waiting for the smartctl -t long /dev/sdb to complete ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] smartd and smartctl
Mike Burger wrote: A few weeks ago, one of my servers started complaining, via smartd, that one drive had one unreadable sector. I umounted it, and ran an fsck -c, then remounted it. Error didn't go away. Now, what's really annoying is that I've gotten back to it today, and it's reporting the problem, as it has for weeks now, every half an hour. However, when I run smartctl -q errorsonly -H -l selftest -l error /dev/sdb it gives me *nothing*. Anyone understand why I get two different results? mark and I am waiting for the smartctl -t long /dev/sdb to complete The smart system works at the hardware level, reading diagnostic information from the SMART circuitry on the hard drives, themselves. The hard drives will often, now, try to move the data from bad sectors on the platters to good sectors, and then mark them so that they won't be used, later. Running fsck only works at the logical filesystem layer. The fsck tool has no hooks to deal with the physical layer. Ok, but my thinking was, first, that after the fsck, the system wouldn't try to write to the bad sector, thus not provoking smart. The more annoying thing is that I don't understand why smartctl doesn't give the same info as smartd. When I do a -a, it does tell me that one sector's pending, but not that there's any error. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] smartd and smartctl
Mike VanHorn wrote: FWIW, on some of my workstations, when I have gotten the sector pending messages, I have been able to take the drive out and run the manufacturer's diagnostics on it (in my case, Seatools), and that fixed some things and I haven't had any issues since. Well, since the server has users on it, I can't really do that, or wipe the disk I'm not really worried - it's stayed at 1 sector. If that starts growing, then I'll worry, and get ready to replace the disk. Right now, it's just an annoyance, as I said, that it shows up on email logs from our loghost twice every hour. And I'm still waiting for anyone to explain to me what I'm doing using smartctl that results in it *not* telling me there's an error, or where the error is. In fact, the last long test I started, early this afternoon, seems to be done, and with smartctl -a, I see SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA _of_first_error # 1 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 2536 - # 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% 2529 - So I'm befuddled why it won't tell me anything about this pending error. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] firefox and IronPort
A couple of weeks ago, I got an autogenerated email from the mail folks here, telling me they'd quarantined what they thought was spam. The last time I got one of these was a month or month and a half ago, and I had no problem. This time, however, I get a 500 error. When I pulled up firefox's error console, and clicked on the link, I got servername elided: server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555 I'm told they're running Cisco's IronPort. It appears the patch came out a year and a half or so ago. However, I also found a post where someone, apparently running on Windows, couldn't get to a site they needed to, either with IE 9 or FF10.somethingorother, until they downgraded. The support folks report they can get there, from Windows boxes. I've tried Mozilla's workarounds, in about:config, but no joy. My ff is up to date, including both patches from last week, and as those were critical, I'm very loathe to downgrade. a) Is anyone else seeing this? b) Any thoughts on whether it's an IronPort issue, or whether it might be a bug (new or reintroduced) browser problem? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] chmodding SCP
Turnbough, Bradley E. wrote: I have two machines, and I am trying to copy files from one to the other via SCP. snip What we did was we chmodded 700 /usr/bin/scp. The owner has remained root and the group has remianed root. From a different machine, I'm trying to scp to that machine, but I'm receiving an access denied. My ssh key is in the authorized users file in the root profile. snip One question: can you ssh to that machine? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] firefox and IronPort
Tris Hoar wrote: On 21/02/2012 15:58, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: A couple of weeks ago, I got an autogenerated email from the mail folks here, telling me they'd quarantined what they thought was spam. The last time I got one of these was a month or month and a half ago, and I had no problem. This time, however, I get a 500 error. When I pulled up firefox's error console, and clicked on the link, I got servername elided: server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555 I'm told they're running Cisco's IronPort. It appears the patch came out snip The support folks report they can get there, from Windows boxes. snip a) Is anyone else seeing this? b) Any thoughts on whether it's an IronPort issue, or whether it might be a bug (new or reintroduced) browser problem? From my experiences with IronPort (admittedly from 3 years ago) I'd say blame that. The software is horribly buggy at best. Wonderful. I still have to deal with it; I mean, the thought that I might influence them to dump it... lol. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Ways To Practice Breaking My System?
Alex Walker wrote: Things like boot process rarely break. Try something like filling up your root or tmp partition. That just seems to be a bit more common as far as problem scenarios go. Thanks for the reply. I've recently started working for a large hosting company, so there's a reasonable amount of scope for anything that can go wrong going wrong at some point, so I wanted to be prepared in advance for as many eventualities as possible :) *sigh* Good luck with the new job. I've seen root partitions fill up a few times, but in my own experience we've always been able to get in and clear out some space before it's knocked the server over. I'll look into it a bit further tho. One trick my manager's shown me, that you can use to keep things going while dealing with a root filesystem full is to use tune2fs to lower the f/s reserved space. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] System reboots automatically more or less every two days
fabio.pugna...@tiscali.it wrote: I have a problem with CentOS 6.2. On December 2011 I installed CentOS 6.1 on a HP ProLiant DL 165 G7 server. Recentely I upgraded to CentOS 6.2 but at reboot the system didn't startup. So I removed new kernel kernel-2.6.32-220.4.2.el6 and CentOS You say the system didn't come up - how far did it get? How did you remove the newer kernel? Personally, I'm moving as fast as I can to get *rid* of the 220.2 kernel, with its constant, irregular crash dumps with traces that all start with warn_slowpath. Is the server on a UPS? was again able to startup with original kernel-2.6.32-71.el6.x86_64. But now every two days the system automatically reboots as you can see below: Looks to me as though its randomly rebooting several times a day. I'd seriously wonder about hardware or power problems. snip mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Please I'd like to install 2 websites on my un managed VPS on CentOS6
John R Pierce wrote: On 02/23/12 5:19 AM, Wuxi Ixuw wrote: I am afraid if I get hacked and do not know what should i do to setup the whole vps the right way. there is no single 'right way'. security requires a thorough understanding of all aspects of the system, this is not something that can be dealt with by a 'how to' walkthrough. hire a systems adminstrator with a background in security. Or, since it's a VPS, call your ISP's support line and ask them. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] System reboots automatically more or less every two days
Les Mikesell wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Tru Huynh t...@centos.org wrote: ... reboot system boot 2.6.32-71.el6.x8 Wed Feb 22 22:53 - 17:10 always rebooting at 17:10 ? Is that when the janitor comes in and plugs his vacuum into the rack power outlet? I was wondering about something like that. A friend mentioned, on another list, about how some idiot had plugged, um, don't remember, coffee pot? microwave? into a power outlet that was orange, and labelled computer equipment only. After he had to come in (he's a consultant) and $fix$ the resulting mess, it may have gotten through to the staff. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Please I'd like to install 2 websites on my un managed VPS on CentOS6
Les Mikesell wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Wuxi Ixuw w7u64...@gmail.com wrote: I am not using cent os for my daily computing tasks at home or work but just for the vps hosting website. you mean to use web control panel back end or you mean another issue? I don't have any idea what a 'web control panel back end is' since that is not a stock centos feature. CentOS itself packages updates as I'd guess he's talking cPanel. soon as possible after they are released and on a non VPS system you would use 'yum update' to install them. And normally you want to do that as soon as possible because when the updates are published, the vulnerabilities that they fix are obvious and often even explained in public. Actually, I assume that my hosting provider is regularly updating system software. I should probably look, but I think I'm paying for that, as part of what they do... which is also very much to their own benefit. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Please I'd like to install 2 websites on my un managed VPS on CentOS6
John R Pierce wrote: On 02/23/12 11:05 AM, Wuxi Ixuw wrote: Please suggest a one as I am keep goggling and all result bring books dealing with linux as a real server and not a vps. you could do worse than starting here... http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Security_Guide/ VPS and real hardware work exactly the same once the software is installed. my base level suggestions: * start with a *minimal* install of the latest release (currently 6.2) * create your user account, give both user and root account different secure passwords I was assuming his provider gave him a working system, not virtual bare metal. * secure the SSH server (no root, key instead of password authentication, only allow ssh from your home/office networks or a few secure 'bastion' hosts, etc) * yum update right after install and reboot Yup. * install *just* the services you need, only from trustworthy yum repositories YES! For about 10 years, I ran an old rh (NOT RHEL) system as a firewall/router for my home network. I ran Bastille Linux over it - which is *not* a distro, but a set of hardening scripts. Great stuff, and NIST recommendations these days refer to it, last time I looked. After running Bastille, *then* I got paranoid: I never installed X (security holes), or *any* compiler, or language I didn't absolutely need (no gcc, yes to perl). No nuttin'... and to the best of my knowledge, though I did see scans, I never had an intrusion, partly due to firewall rules of DROP, and partly because they had nothing to use to run their nasties. If it got installed, and you don't need it, don't only turn it off, yum remove. At work, and home, I certainly don't need either bluetooth or avahi running, on wired boxen. * secure the services you install as appropriate * document your configuration, including what packages you needed to install YES. You do *not* want to be trying to figure out what you'd done, a year from now, at 17:00 on a Friday, or 02:00 some morning. * script a secure backup of your configuration specific conf and data files to reliable offsite storage. Yup. Or have the full website, and all configuration files for the system, on your machine at home or work, so you can just upload the whole thing. * plan on regular yum updates, and staying up on security alerts, such as CERT snip RH, and this offshot I know of, called CentOS, are pretty good at announcing security fixes in a timely manner (take a bow, Johnny). mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Please I'd like to install 2 websites on my un managed VPS on CentOS6
Wuxi Ixuw wrote: On 23/02/2012 10:26 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 02/23/12 12:16 PM, Wuxi Ixuw wrote: I will use Drupal core and mostly no modules. Drupal has had its share of exploits, too. http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1367/product_id-2387/Drupal-Drupal.html What shall I use then? I did goggled a lot for what I should use and found that Drupal is so far the best CMS compared to Joomla or Wordpress. You need to get your head around the idea that *NOTHING* is ultimately safe. To paraphrase the stupid phrase, vigilance is the price of liberty (of your system from the bad guys) mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Please I'd like to install 2 websites on my un managed VPS on CentOS6
Wuxi Ixuw wrote: And do I need a recent computer for the linux one or an old one can do so? I mean something like Pentium 4 or Pentium D may fits? On 23/02/2012 10:58 PM, John R Pierce wrote: On 02/23/12 12:47 PM, Wuxi Ixuw wrote: Actually I read many times that geek people used to use a Linux computer as a firewall for their network but never figured out how they do so. install linux on a computer with two ethernet cards. connect eth0 to your internet connection, and eth1 to your local network. configure iptables firewall rules in the linux system. or install pfsense on that same computer. That's one of the beauties of Linux: unlike a competing operating system which shall remain nameless (but is headquartered in Redmond, WA), it'll run on pretty much *anything*. It will find more hardware errors... because it uses the entire system much more efficiently. But if the hardware's ok, it'll run for a *long* time. So, yes, anything you've got should work. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Please I'd like to install 2 websites on my un managed VPS on CentOS6
Wuxi Ixuw wrote: what do you mean? On 23/02/2012 11:10 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: It will find more hardware errors Windows uses hardware sloppily, and not that well. Linux, like all versions of Unix, uses much more of the hardware's capabilities. Try running Linux on the same hardware as Windows: my fiancee's 14-yr-old son is dual booting his T-60 laptop, and *he* sees the difference in speed (Linux being that much faster). mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] System reboots automatically more or less every two days
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 02/23/2012 04:08 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: fabio.pugna...@tiscali.it wrote: I have a problem with CentOS 6.2. On December 2011 I installed CentOS 6.1 on a HP ProLiant DL 165 G7 server. Recentely I upgraded to CentOS 6.2 but at reboot the system didn't startup. So I removed new kernel kernel-2.6.32-220.4.2.el6 and CentOS You say the system didn't come up - how far did it get? How did you remove the newer kernel? Personally, I'm moving as fast as I can to get *rid* of the 220.2 kernel, with its constant, irregular crash dumps with traces that all start with warn_slowpath. I am unable to run anything later then 2.6.32-220.2.1.el6.centos.plus.x86_64. Booting of 220.4.x just hangs. I had no time to file a bug report, always something more pressing. But will do it soon. 220.2.1 runs without a problem for weeks at the time (always-on desktop). Out of curiosity, why CentOS plus, and not the std.? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos 6 - 1 of 2 machines starts and not the other
fakessh @ wrote: hu guys I regularly read this list I can usually find me in the excellent documentation apache. I'm in front of a very strange problem I possess two desktop machines which works with the Apache server with centos 6 1 of 2 machines starts and not the other. I use the apache config file here that provides standard distribution What's in /var/log/httpd/error_log on the machine where it doesn't start? And is selinux enforcing? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Shrew Soft VPN Client for CentOS 6
Hi, Dave, d...@davenjudy.org wrote: Where I work uses the Shrew Soft VPN client to access remote resources. I have found pre-built rpms for EL5, various versions of Fedora, and appropriate packages for non-rpm based distros but no rpm for EL6. I have downloaded the source from Shrew Soft and built my own which built and installed with no errors but then didn't work. I'm finally taking the snip same configuration and user connects under EL6 (confirmed on the VPN server) but is unusable (e.g., I can't ping known systems). I think I'd try tcpdump, or some other tool, and see what's happening. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Software RAID1 with CentOS-6.2
Miguel Medalha wrote: A few months ago I had an enormous amount of grief trying to understand why a RAID array in a new server kept getting corrupted and suddenly changing configuration. After a lot of despair and head scratching it turned out to be the SATA cables. This was a rack server from Asus with a SATA backplane. The cables, made by Foxconn, came pre-installed. After I replaced the SATA cables with new ones, all problems were gone and the array is now rock solid. Thanks for this info, Miguel. snip As an additional information, I quote from the Caviar Black range datasheet: Desktop / Consumer RAID Environments - WD Caviar Black Hard Drives are tested and recommended for use in consumer-type RAID applications (RAID-0 /RAID-1). - Business Critical RAID Environments WD Caviar Black Hard Drives are not recommended for and are not warranted for use in RAID environments utilizing Enterprise HBAs and/or expanders and in multi-bay chassis, as they are not designed for, nor tested in, these specific types of RAID applications. For all Business Critical RAID applications, please consider WDs Enterprise Hard Drives that are specifically designed with RAID-specific, time-limited error recovery (TLER), are tested extensively in 24x7 RAID applications, and include features like enhanced RAFF technology and thermal extended burn-in testing. Wonderful... NOT. We've got a number of Caviar Green, so I looked up its datasheet... and it says the same. That rebuild of my system at home? I think I'll look at commercial grade drives mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] network problems
We just moved a user, who deals with a *lot* of data, to a new server, since his old NFS home directory was on a disk that had started showing problems. Now, i/o is about six times slower, my manager reports. After a fair bit of googling, I started looking at tc and ip, and found the following: from ip address show, first, on the old home directory server, eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 then, on the new: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP qlen 1000 I've tried tc qdisc add dev eth0 mq pfifo_fast and tc qdisc add dev eth0 pfifo_fast and neither works. I've googled, and seen something about you can't set something with tc, because pfifo_fast is the hardwired default. Anyone know how I can reset this, or is there a package I can reinstall that would do that? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] network problems
John Doe wrote: From: m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us I've tried tc qdisc add dev eth0 mq pfifo_fast and tc qdisc add dev eth0 pfifo_fast and neither works. I've googled, and seen something about you can't set something with tc, because pfifo_fast is the hardwired default. Not an expert, but this seems to add 'mq' succesfully on my unused eth1: eth1: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000 # tc qdisc add dev eth1 root handle 1: mq eth1: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN qlen 1000 But it fails for 'pfifo_fast': # tc qdisc add dev eth1 root handle 1: pfifo_fast qdisc 'pfifo_fast' does not support option parsing Also, maybe you need to delete before adding? Yeah: after I tried to add it, and it gave me the does not support options parsing, I began trying to del the mq, but I can't seem to find the Magical Syntax (tm) that let's me get rid of that. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] network problems
Nataraj wrote: On 03/01/2012 08:15 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: We just moved a user, who deals with a *lot* of data, to a new server, since his old NFS home directory was on a disk that had started showing problems. Now, i/o is about six times slower, my manager reports. After a fair bit of googling, I started looking at tc and ip, and found the following: from ip address show, first, on the old home directory server, eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 then, on the new: eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP qlen 1000 snip Are you sure your performance problems are network related? Have you measured performance of the filesystems on the two servers? You may have a data alignment problem with your disk partitions. He did. It's not disk-related. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.2 software raid 10 with LVM - Need help with degraded drive and only one MBR
Jonathan Vomacka wrote: CentOS Community, I have a dedicated server with 4 hard drives in a RAID 10 software configuration running LVM. My OS is CentOS 6.2. Earlier today, I rebooted my system and my system did not come back online. I opened a ticket with my datacenter who informed me that one of my hard drives is no longer recognized by the bios and has failed. I was told that an OS reinstall was needed. I don't understand why a reinstall would be necessary when the drives are in RAID 10. Apparently when the datacenter did the initial OS install, they ONLY installed the MBR on one drive instead of all 4 leaving the other 3 drives unbootable. snip Whatever the outcome, I would strongly recommend escalating this to a manager, since the staff installed it incorrectly - perhaps they don't understand what a RAID is? But they need to make this right - you're paying for it. Besides, it's not Windows mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] network problems
(Sorry 'bout the screwed-up headers - forwarded to my work email from home, then forwarded back to this account just now) Original Message From: John Doe jd...@yahoo.com References: 76baacf79f928a056c17d63f02d53ae7.squir...@mail.5-cent.us 1330619990.16821.yahoomail...@web114705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com 86feb08093663823b4190d6fae1e3a3b.squir...@mail.5-cent.us From: m.r...@5-cent.us m.r...@5-cent.us Yeah: after I tried to add it, and it gave me the does not support options parsing, I began trying to del the mq, but I can't seem to find the Magical Syntax (tm) that let's me get rid of that. This worked for me... # tc qdisc del dev eth1 root handle 1 That works... but won't get rid of mq. Right now, I'm trying pfifo, unless someone thinks that PRIO might be better. The real question is why *some* of my 6.2 boxen have pfifo_fast, and others have mq. Does anyone know where this is set? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6.2 on DELL E6520
Bernd Bartmann wrote: On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Jussi Hirvi wrote: On 2.3.2012 15.59, Bernd Bartmann wrote: The only problem is that the system hangs after entering reboot. I can see that several services get stopped, but after some seconds the screen is just black and nothing happens anymore. Does it hang after the shutdown process is totally complete, or somewhere in between? (If so, what is the last thing you see on screen?) How long have you waited for it to proceed? After pressing ESC to see all the service shutdown messages the last two lines show: init: Re-executing /sbin/init [OK] Please stand by while rebooting the system... Restarting system. So it hangs after shutdown has been completed. I've waited more than 10 minutes. snip Sounds to me as though something's hanging - maybe it's trying to restart something, and it's not letting go. A thought: check the BIOS, and see if there's something that says something like restart after reboot. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6.2 software raid 10 with LVM - Need help with degraded drive and only one MBR
Digimer wrote: snip Boot from a live CD using the CentOS 6.2 install media. Once booted: bash# grub grub root (hd0,0) grub setup (hd0) grub root (hd1,0) grub setup (hd1) grub root (hd2,0) grub setup (hd2) grub quit bash# reboot This assumes that grub sees the drives at '0, 1 and 2' and the boot partition is the first on each drive. If it is, when you type 'root (hdX,0)' it should report that a file system was found. The 'setup (hdX)' will tell grub to write the MBR to the specified disk. THANK YOU! I could have used that once or twice, and had no idea that grub could create a std. MBR. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] hardware issues? driver issues?
Got a bunch of servers from Penguin. Supermicro m/b's H8QG6. We put a 3tb
drive in for additional workspace for the users, and some of them won't
read, others will go for weeks, then spit out DRDY errors. lshw shows the
controller as an ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA.
I did notice that it shows
*-storage
description: SATA controller
product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode]
vendor: ATI Technologies Inc
snip
width: 32 bits
^^
clock: 66MHz
capabilities: storage pm ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list
From /var/log/dmesg:
pci :00:0d.0: PME# supported from D0 D3hot D3cold
pci :00:0d.0: PME# disabled
pci :00:11.0: reg 10 io port: [0xd000-0xd007]
pci :00:11.0: reg 14 io port: [0xc000-0xc003]
pci :00:11.0: reg 18 io port: [0xb000-0xb007]
pci :00:11.0: reg 1c io port: [0xa000-0xa003]
pci :00:11.0: reg 20 io port: [0x9000-0x900f]
pci :00:11.0: reg 24 32bit mmio: [0xdfefa400-0xdfefa7ff]
...
ahci :00:11.0: version 3.0
alloc irq_desc for 22 on node 0
alloc kstat_irqs on node 0
ahci :00:11.0: PCI INT A - GSI 22 (level, low) - IRQ 22
ahci :00:11.0: AHCI 0001.0100 32 slots 4 ports 3 Gbps 0xf impl SATA mode
ahci :00:11.0: flags: 64bit ncq sntf ilck pm led clo pmp pio slum part
ccc
...
ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xdfefa400 port 0xdfefa500 irq 22
ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xdfefa400 port 0xdfefa580 irq 22
I've included the above, because I note the 32bit mmio, but the 64bit
flag; also the clock speed for the controller.
Now, I've been working on one with Penguin. I noticed one thing, that it
was set to native IDE. After googling, I saw that the most recent spec,
which included EIDE, should be good to petabytes... but I tried resetting
it to AHCI anyway.
The user ran one job, ok... then another last night, and it's spitting the
same errors.
In /var/log/messages, I see JBD: detected IO errors while flushing file data:
Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x3
SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: ata2.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: ata2.00: cmd
61/08:00:72:4a:a4/00:00:ae:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 4096 out
Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: res
40/00:04:20:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/40 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: ata2.00: status: { DRDY }
...
Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: ata2: hard resetting link
Mar 7 00:53:33 server kernel: ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123
SControl 300)
Mar 7 00:53:33 server kernel: ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133
Mar 7 00:53:33 server kernel: ata2.00: device reported invalid CHS
sector 0
Mar 7 00:53:33 server kernel: ata2: EH complete
Notice the device reported invalid CHS sector 0. The drive does have a
GPT rather than an MBR.
So, has anyone else seen similar problems, or have some suggestions as to
something I can try? Penguin's still waiting for a response from
Supermicro, and has escalated
mark
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Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
Ross Walker wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM, William Warren hescomins...@emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com wrote: well ubuntu allows me to boot from MD RAID10...so there's something they are doing that allows that to boot. That ubuntu version has probably switched to grub2. Good luck debugging it when it breaks - it is very different. Plus it is very handy to have a /boot that is readable/mountable without LVM or MDRAID drivers loaded and configured. /boot is only 256-512MB partition that is read only during boot and updated only when there is a new kernel, so it ain't no big thing. Even when RH goes to grub2 I think I'll keep this setup by default. Don't make it less than 512M - we're debating between 512M and 1G here. Certainly, bleeding-edge fedora *needs* at least 256M *free* in /boot to do an upgrade in place, so I have to assume that's coming in the next few years for RHEL/CentOS. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] hardware issues? driver issues?
Peter Kjellström wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2012 11.17.15 m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Got a bunch of servers from Penguin. Supermicro m/b's H8QG6. We put a 3tb drive in for additional workspace for the users, and some of them won't read, others will go for weeks, then spit out DRDY errors. lshw shows the controller as an ATI SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA. ... Now, I've been working on one with Penguin. I noticed one thing, that it was set to native IDE. After googling, I saw that the most recent spec, which included EIDE, should be good to petabytes... but I tried resetting it to AHCI anyway. The user ran one job, ok... then another last night, and it's spitting the same errors. ... Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: ata2.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED ... 40/00:04:20:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/40 Emask 0x4 (timeout) ... Mar 7 00:53:28 server kernel: ata2: hard resetting link While writing the drive timed out and the link to it was then subjected to a hard reset. This is not normal and usually points to bad drive or buggy firmware. Have you had a look at smartdata for the drive(s)? (you may want to run the smart selftests) Also, I'd suggest you test it in a controlled environment. For example, can any of your drives survive a full surface write? (dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M of=..) Full surface read? Do the tests against /dev/sdX to be sure (excludes partitioning, filesystems, volume management, etc.) Do note that writing your drive full of zeros _will_ destroy your data (I really hope that's stating the obvious...). g Of course. Nahhh... I've run bonnie++ against it, but couldn't provoke it. It's this one user, who runs *large* jobs, with big o/p, when it hits. smartctl - I ran the short test just before lunch, and smartctl -H reports it passed, completed without errors. I saw that it timed out. One of the reasons for some of the stuff I included, above, was that kernel: ata2.00: device reported invalid CHS sector 0 Also, I noticed that lshw showed the ATI controller having a width of 32 bits, and a clock of 66MHz, and wondered if there could be some sort of slip-through-the-cracks where the driver didn't handle this correctly. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
Markus Falb wrote: On 7.3.2012 19:08, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Ross Walker wrote: On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikesell-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM, William Warren hescominsoon-dGSttIWD7Blt2rXhg/qq1lelw3d7xbbmmrmqpfiv...@public.gmane.org wrote: well ubuntu allows me to boot from MD RAID10...so there's something they are doing that allows that to boot. That ubuntu version has probably switched to grub2. Good luck debugging it when it breaks - it is very different. Plus it is very handy to have a /boot that is readable/mountable without LVM or MDRAID drivers loaded and configured. /boot is only 256-512MB partition that is read only during boot and updated only when there is a new kernel, so it ain't no big thing. Even when RH goes to grub2 I think I'll keep this setup by default. Don't make it less than 512M - we're debating between 512M and 1G here. You may have noticed that redhat recommends 250M http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html Yeah, well, some of us have many servers more than 4 yrs old; so I'm assuming that three, four years from now, with CentOS 8 or 9, it'll do the same, and want maybe 800M. Plan for the future, y'know. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: You may have noticed that redhat recommends 250M http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-x86.html Yeah, well, some of us have many servers more than 4 yrs old; so I'm assuming that three, four years from now, with CentOS 8 or 9, it'll do the same, and want maybe 800M. Plan for the future, y'know. If the future continues anything like the past, you'll be be able to buy something new with twice the speed and 10x the space by then and be better off starting over than allocating more than you need today. a) You think I, or a *lot* of other folks, are going to do that at home? (Please - I'm trying to get my fiancee to at *least* go from *shudder* Vista to Win7) b) I'm a federal contractor, on site. You think the Republicans in Congress are going to increase our budget, to replace all servers over three or four years old? mark clue: phat chance ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: If the future continues anything like the past, you'll be be able to buy something new with twice the speed and 10x the space by then and be better off starting over than allocating more than you need today. a) You think I, or a *lot* of other folks, are going to do that at home? (Please - I'm trying to get my fiancee to at *least* go from *shudder* Vista to Win7) If you leave them on, add up the power cost of running an old box for years. Sorry, that doesn't work either: *everything* new seems to need a lot more power than the older stuff. Certainly, last time I upgraded my own system, I had to buy one that was 150% the power of the old one. b) I'm a federal contractor, on site. You think the Republicans in Congress are going to increase our budget, to replace all servers over three or four years old? Yes, if someone does the report to show that it will save money in the big picture... But you don't necessarily throw out the 3 year old boxes, you can re-purpose them to something where people aren't waiting idly for their results, keeping some others for spare parts. In any case, someone should be accounting for the space/power/cooling that old hardware takes while accomplishing 10% as much as new. We already repurpose. There's a limit to parts - when something gets surplussed, it has to have pretty much what we bought it with (a different h/d's no big deal, though). And the budget won't *allow* say, 20 or 50 or 70 new servers in one year. I can give you, with a 98% confidence level, that our budget (we're not DoD) will *NOT* be upped by 10%. The sob's just saved money by a) taking away our water coolers (we can use the metal water fountains, y'know) and b) not refilling one of the three soap dispensers in the men's room on this floor. Mind-bogglingly petty? Damn straight. Cheap? Bet *their* offices still have the water mark and our people are trying to do real science ObDisclaimer: I speak only for myself, not for my agency or my employer. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Anyone recognize www-mysql?
Rainer Duffner wrote: Am 07.03.2012 um 22:18 schrieb John R Pierce: On 03/07/12 1:00 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: This a binary that executes HTML pages containing embedded SQL statements. I found the debian package here: http://archive.debian.net/etch/www-mysql ah, and peeking into the source tarball, www-mysql (and www-pgsql) build from www-sql, which comes from here http://www.jamesh.id.au/software/www-sql/ this stuff looks really old, like its not been touched since 1998. its a pretty simple cgi package written in C, so it probably can be built for newer systems. It's probably also riddled with buffer-overflows. Better let it go... Why? I know that none of the zillions of lines of C I wrote in the late eighties and through the nineties were riddled with buffer overflows. Oh, sorry, it's not the N33t3st, k3wl language on the planet! mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: a) You think I, or a *lot* of other folks, are going to do that at home? (Please - I'm trying to get my fiancee to at *least* go from *shudder* Vista to Win7) If you leave them on, add up the power cost of running an old box for years. Sorry, that doesn't work either: *everything* new seems to need a lot more power than the older stuff. Certainly, last time I upgraded my own system, I had to buy one that was 150% the power of the old one. That was probably before power became a big thing for servers - in most cases now power and cooling are the limiting factors for expansion in a data center. Most of the new servers use 2.5 drives and while they might still use as much power per 1u of space due to using more blades in a chassis or having more CPUs and RAM, we get much more performance from the same space and power consumption. It's not such a big deal for desktops, but you can get small low power systems if you look around - or just use a laptop that will sleep when you close the lid. Heh. Many of the new servers we are getting are all on the order of 48 or 64 cores, and they eat and drink power. The same UPS that would handle six 4 or 8 core boxes can handle *three*, if we're lucky, when a clustering job's running mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: a) You think I, or a *lot* of other folks, are going to do that at home? (Please - I'm trying to get my fiancee to at *least* go from *shudder* Vista to Win7) If you leave them on, add up the power cost of running an old box for years. Sorry, that doesn't work either: *everything* new seems to need a lot more power than the older stuff. Certainly, last time I upgraded my own system, I had to buy one that was 150% the power of the old one. That was probably before power became a big thing for servers - in most cases now power and cooling are the limiting factors for expansion in a data center. Most of the new servers use 2.5 drives and while they might still use as much power per 1u of space due to using more blades in a chassis or having more CPUs and RAM, we get much more performance from the same space and power consumption. It's not such a big deal for desktops, but you can get small low power systems if you look around - or just use a laptop that will sleep when you close the lid. Heh. Many of the new servers we are getting are all on the order of 48 or 64 cores, and they eat and drink power. The same UPS that would handle six 4 or 8 core boxes can handle *three*, if we're lucky, when a clustering job's running mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
John R Pierce wrote: On 03/08/12 4:39 AM, mark wrote: VM's? Sorry, we're doing very serious scientific computing - the couple or so VMs we had are going away. I mean, when, for example, one guy I support gets on a 48 core box, and proceeds to fire up an R job, and uses*all* of them Plus, we're running out of UPSs to stick them on to, and sockets to reach ok, so 3 x 48/64 core servers uses the same power as 6 x 4/8 core ? thats still major win. Um, no - that's what I'm saying is *not* the case. The new suckers drink power - using a UPS that I could hang, say, 6 Dell 1950's off of, *if* I'm lucky, I can put three of the new servers. And at that, if a big jobs running (they very much vary in how much power they draw, depending on usage), even with only three on, I've seen the leds run up to where they're blinking, indicating it's near overload, over 90% capability. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Thunderbird
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Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird
Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 03/08/2012 04:45 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: CentOS 6. T-bird 3.1.18 Is there *ANY* way to search message on message *CONTENT*, not header? I used to do that all the time Edit menu - Find - Search Messages? I have T-bird 9 at the moment. Or ctrl-shift-F, but no, there's no option any more for body. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Thunderbird
Lamar Owen wrote: On Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:45:26 AM m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: CentOS 6. T-bird 3.1.18 Is there *ANY* way to search message on message *CONTENT*, not header? I used to do that all the time mark or maybe I'll dump t-bird Hmm. [root@migration ~]# repoquery thunderbird thunderbird-0:10.0.1-3.el6.centos.x86_64 [root@migration ~]# cat /etc/redhat-release CentOS release 6.2 (Final) [root@migration ~]# Upgrade thunderbird with CentOS 6.2, since 6.2 includes Thunderbird 10.0.1? Yep, I see it's just come in. Not overwhelmingly impressed with FF 10, from trivial things like the non-bottom border, to speed - too frequently, pages sit there taking time that didn't used to take that long. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] md raid 10
John R Pierce wrote: On 03/08/12 6:33 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: ok, so 3 x 48/64 core servers uses the same power as 6 x 4/8 core ? thats still major win. Um, no - that's what I'm saying is*not* the case. The new suckers drink power - using a UPS that I could hang, say, 6 Dell 1950's off of,*if* I'm lucky, I can put three of the new servers. And at that, if a big jobs running (they very much vary in how much power they draw, depending on usage), even with only three on, I've seen the leds run up to where they're blinking, indicating it's near overload, over 90% capability. ok, how do you figure 3 48 core modern servers are not more powerful computationally than 6 8 core servers? the 1950's were cloverton which were dual core2duo chips, 2 sockets, at ~ 2-3GHz, for your 8 cores per 1U. I'm sorry, but to me, the above is a non sequitur. I was talking about how much power the servers drink, and that the UPSs that I have can barely, barely handle half as many or less, and I'm running out of UPSs, and out of power outlets for them in such a small space (that is, a dozen or so in each rack), without trying to go halfway across the room. now, I dunno what your 48 core servers are, if thats really 2x12 cores with 'hyperthreading', then those extra threads are NOT good for intense numerical compute work as they share the FPU, but even those 24 cores should be faster than twice as many 8 core systems. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105264 mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Problems with Adobe flash-plugin and Firefox-3.5.x under CentOs-5.3 (yum up to date)
Hi, I am running 32-bit Firefox-3.5.3 on Centos-5.3 (64-bit kernel) on a Dell Precision M65 laptop. This is likely a Adobe problem, but maybe someone else has seen this before. Please CC me, as I only receive the digest version of the list. When using the 10.0.32.18-release version of the flash-plugin, trying to access *any* page containing flash (e.g. www.adobe.com) causes the browser to die. This also happens with version 10.0.22.87. Version 9.0.115.0 works fine. To avoid problems with add-ons, Firefox is started with -safe-mode. As far as I know, the problem also happens with Firefox-3.0.x. snip I filed a bug with the firefox team about exactly that. I'm running 64 bit CentOS 5.3, with updates, and it happens with both firefox 3.5.3 and 3.0.14. Fortunately, I install in such a way as to not wipe out the existing, running version... so I'm running 3.0.12 until I see a fix. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Where to download rpm packages for centos?
I am looking for some user level packages, such as icewm, openoffice. icewm? You logon through the terminal and so can choose your window manager? Otherwise, you can more or less forget it... Oy, as they say, vey. I just went from opensuse 10.3 to centos 5.3. Building icewm was a *royal* pain. There were a number of libraries it wanted, and, IIRC, I had to manually create backward links (ln - s libsomethingorother.so.4 libsomethingorother.so.2 mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gdm-simple-greeter config?
Greetings, On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: itxakaserr...@gmail.com wrote: Enviado desde mi iPhone El 18/09/2009, a las 04:39, mark m.r...@5-cent.us escribió: R P Herrold wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, mark wrote: I have googled. I have find ...-exec grep. One server continues to send error messages to /var/log/messages that gdm-simple-greeter can't find some file in a user's (another admin, actually) home directory. Any ideas where it's getting it from? There are couple of directories starting with '.' (i.e. hidden ones) pertaining to gnome .gconf, .gdm maybe you can find the answers there. /me putting up the sheild for hiding from insufficient accuracy missiles Yeah, I always alias ll=ls -laF, so they're never hidden from me. g Anyway, the situation is that users logging onto this system, as most of our systems, get their home directory automounted. However, this guy hasn't been on this system most of the time I've tried to find this error. Based on that, it's got to be somewhere in a *system* file, not in a home directory, yet it complains: gdm-simple-greeter[2361]: GLib-GIO-WARNING: Missing callback called fullpath = /home/username/.face#012 Now, I found /var/lib/gdm, and have looked under .config, .gconf, and .gconfd, and not found it. I have also killed the simple greeter, and it respawned, and started griping again. So, where is it storing this, and, more important, *WHY* is it caching this? Ideally, I'd like to not only clear whatever's causing it now, but also change the relevant system configuration file so that it doesn't happen again. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] getting ftp log reports
Hello, I'm running pure-ftpd on a centos 5.3 machine. I'm encountering a situation where i need to get log reports of user logins and logouts and tracking the files got, atempted anonymous user logins those should preferably go in to a firewall rule block list, and atempted hack ins, same thing as anonymous user logins. Can anyone suggest a package for creating and then emailing say 3 to 4 times a day reports of activity? logwatch mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] getting ftp log reports
Hi, Thanks. I've installed logwatch. It definitely looks like what i'm looking for. I've got a question on customizations, point of confusion actually. In /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf are the default configs, nothing is in /usr/share/logwatch/dist.conf, and nothing in /etc/logwatch in terms of configs. Do i make changes to /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/* files or copy them to their equivalent name place in /etc/logwatch and edit making changes to those? Thanks much. I actually don't know. They run logwatch here, and I just look at the emails. Every hour. Every day. Every machine Anyway, looking through our configs, I see that what's in /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf just says # Local configuration options go here (defaults are in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf). So I gather that if the defaults are fine, go with that; if you want something different, use the defaults as a guide, and put the local stuff in etc. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gdm-simple-greeter config?
grep face /home/username -r
:)
Please. I'm not send me the directions how to set up ssl with my web
server.
I've tried, as last resorts,
find /var -type f -exec grep -il username/.face {} \;
and in addition to /var, I tried /etc and /tmp, and the *only* thing grep
gave me were the logfiles that had the entries.
Now, does anyone have any other suggestions?
mark there's reasons I'm not hot on gnome
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From: m roth m.r...@5-cent.us
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:01:27 AM
Subject: Re: [CentOS] gdm-simple-greeter config?
Greetings,
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
itxakaserr...@gmail.com wrote:
Enviado desde mi iPhone
El 18/09/2009, a las 04:39, mark m.r...@5-cent.us escribió:
R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, mark wrote:
I have googled. I have find ...-exec grep. One server
continues to send error messages to /var/log/messages that
gdm-simple-greeter can't find some file in a user's (another
admin, actually) home directory. Any ideas where it's
getting it from?
There are couple of directories starting with '.' (i.e. hidden ones)
pertaining to gnome .gconf, .gdm maybe you can find the answers there.
/me putting up the sheild for hiding from insufficient accuracy
missiles
Yeah, I always alias ll=ls -laF, so they're never hidden from me. g
Anyway, the situation is that users logging onto this system, as most of
our systems, get their home directory automounted. However, this guy
hasn't been on this system most of the time I've tried to find this error.
Based on that, it's got to be somewhere in a *system* file, not in a home
directory, yet it complains:
gdm-simple-greeter[2361]: GLib-GIO-WARNING: Missing callback called
fullpath = /home/username/.face#012
Now, I found /var/lib/gdm, and have looked under .config, .gconf, and
.gconfd, and not found it. I have also killed the simple greeter, and it
respawned, and started griping again.
So, where is it storing this, and, more important, *WHY* is it caching
this? Ideally, I'd like to not only clear whatever's causing it now, but
also change the relevant system configuration file so that it doesn't
happen again.
mark
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Re: [CentOS] gdm-simple-greeter config?
grep face /home/username -r :) Oh, yes, the point I realized I should mention as I hit send: I thought I mentioned that when I look at the log, that the user is NOT LOGGED ON, and that the home directories were automounted at login. mark gnome, gnome and deranged -- David Fix Senior Systems Administrator Mr. X Inc. - Original Message - From: m roth m.r...@5-cent.us To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:01:27 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] gdm-simple-greeter config? Greetings, On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: itxakaserr...@gmail.com wrote: Enviado desde mi iPhone El 18/09/2009, a las 04:39, mark m.r...@5-cent.us escribió: R P Herrold wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, mark wrote: I have googled. I have find ...-exec grep. One server continues to send error messages to /var/log/messages that gdm-simple-greeter can't find some file in a user's (another admin, actually) home directory. Any ideas where it's getting it from? There are couple of directories starting with '.' (i.e. hidden ones) pertaining to gnome .gconf, .gdm maybe you can find the answers there. /me putting up the sheild for hiding from insufficient accuracy missiles Yeah, I always alias ll=ls -laF, so they're never hidden from me. g Anyway, the situation is that users logging onto this system, as most of our systems, get their home directory automounted. However, this guy hasn't been on this system most of the time I've tried to find this error. Based on that, it's got to be somewhere in a *system* file, not in a home directory, yet it complains: gdm-simple-greeter[2361]: GLib-GIO-WARNING: Missing callback called fullpath = /home/username/.face#012 Now, I found /var/lib/gdm, and have looked under .config, .gconf, and .gconfd, and not found it. I have also killed the simple greeter, and it respawned, and started griping again. So, where is it storing this, and, more important, *WHY* is it caching this? Ideally, I'd like to not only clear whatever's causing it now, but also change the relevant system configuration file so that it doesn't happen again. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] gdm-simple-greeter config?
Hi,
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:42, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
grep face /home/username -r
Please. I'm not send me the directions how to set up ssl with my web
server.
I've tried, as last resorts,
find /var -type f -exec grep -il username/.face {} \;
and in addition to /var, I tried /etc and /tmp, and the *only* thing
grep
gave me were the logfiles that had the entries.
But you clearly have ADD or something...
Why is that?
The file is probably referred in one of the .gnome*/.gconf* files
inside the home directory. Just because the home is not mounted at the
time of login it doesn't mean that the gdm-greeter won't mount it,
then read its config files from there, then try to look for the
missing file.
snip
Oh, so the answer to my question is that gnome's simple greeter is reading
*his* configuration files - is this as he's logging on? - from his home
directory.
However, I don't see the message from any other server (and we have a good
number), so I don't understand why it wouldn't show up from another 10-30
machines.
But obviously I'm missing something that you're overlooking in your
over-familiarity with gnome and gnome-simple-greeter.
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Re: [CentOS] gdm-simple-greeter config?
Hi, On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:54, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: grep face /home/username -r However, I don't see the message from any other server (and we have a good number), so I don't understand why it wouldn't show up from another 10-30 machines. Well, did you at least *look* in his home directory? If you look and it's not there, it's probably something else, but I don't think you should discard that before actually looking at it. I really don't see that I need to: his home directory's on another system, and I don't see it happening from logs from any other system running gnome when he logs on, and he tells me he doesn't know anything about it, either, and since he's been a sysadmin here for years, and knows the systems, I believe him. It has to be stored somewhere on this one server. Can you suggest any reason that you think it's not? *IF* I understand this correctly, the simple greeter shows up when you wake up the screensaver, and displays the names of those recently logged in, and it *seems* as though it can also display pictures. Given the location and filename, I was assuming that it gets them that way. which would imply that it might work *if* the home directory was always mounted, not automounted on logon. With those assumptions, my guess was that there's a configuration that tells it to look in a user's home directory for such a file. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
On Thursday 24 September 2009 12:38:12 Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- Of Anne Wilson Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:27 PM snip box, which is where I'm testing what's available for her, but kipi-plugins isn't found be yum list or yum search. Strange when libkipi is there. Have you checked eg pbone.net for some suitable rpm's? Assuming all dependencies are met from before, you could install them manually. Yes, I checked pbone - but only for centos. snip I'd add in the search RHELyour release, at least to start. Beyond that, some other distro, such as mandrake, may have compatible rpms. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Anne Wilson wrote: I'm thinking of giving CentOS to a non-tech user for her new desktop. He needs are small. She has been used to Mozilla for both mail and browsing, so equivalents there are not a problem. She needs grip and lame, for her mp3s - again no problem. Desktop, non-techie - use Ubuntu instead. snip A few comments: let me note that ESR uses ubuntu. I, on the other hand, don't. A few years ago, I was on a contract in the middle of bloody nowhere in western NC, and wound up in a motel room by the month that had only wireless, so I had to go out and buy a wireless card for my tower. I was also upgrading from RH9, and wasn't going to pay for RHEL, and my opinion of fedora at the time, as well as several other folks opinion, including Eric's, was that it was bleeding edge, rather than leading edge. I also didn't know about CentOS. So I tried live CDs of ubuntu and SuSE. ubuntu couldn't figure out what to do with my wireless card, while SuSE thought about it for 30 sec, and a window popped up, telling me I had a new wireless card, and would I like to configure it. I eventually upgraded to opensuse 10.3 Just in the month, I went up to CentOS 5.3. Now, there was one major problem: it could figure wirelesss, but unlike my year+ old opensuse, it didn't know WPA, and I went through days of grief until I got that going... so beware of that (and I'm *very* unhappy that it is such a song and dance to get that working... but I don't have time, with a new job, to spend time writing something that will do it all). The other thing is that ubuntu does some things I consider odd, and puts some things in odd places (say, not having your web stuff under /var/www, etc). So, pick your poison. g mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 24 September 2009 20:03:04 Curt Mills wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 24 September 2009 17:50:37 Ron Loftin wrote: My image of the low-tech user is the one who surfs the Web, reads and writes e-mail, and does the odd letter or maybe even a spreadsheet in some office tool, along with maybe some simple games. My experience with this category of user is that when they stumble across something unfamiliar or want some additional function, they pick up the phone and call me. I recognise that description ;-D It's the Give a man a fish/Teach a man to fish scenario. Some people would rather visit the fishmonger, and it's their right to make that decision. Or, teach a man to fish and he'll waste the rest of his life sitting in a boat drinking beer? I was trying to avoid responding... sorry, but my instant reaction to fishmonger was from the Asterix comics, Unhygienic the fishmonger mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] samba file locking
Hi, On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 08:07, janezkosmr janezko...@volja.net wrote: I encountered an interesting problem. We have a Java application on a samba server. The folder is then shared to the clients via a samba snip When a developer copies a new jar to the folder which is shared via samba. And if this copying is done by scp strange things start happening. After a few clicks the application stops working returning NoClassDeffFound, even if the file is there and readable. After that it snip I believe the problem is that you are rewriting the file on the server (with scp) while it is open on the clients (using NFS? or mounted CIFS?). As the clients have the file open they will have parts of it cached, and those parts will be updated on the server but the cache will persist on the client for sometimes quite a long time, or until you unmount the network filesystem, which it seems is what you are currently doing to fix the issue. I would suggest that you change the procedure to update the .jar file. snip You're on linux. I'd agree with changing the procedure, but to scp filename.datetimestamp ln -s filename.datetimestamp filename mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] how to implement java in firefox ?
Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:14 PM, mark m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Lanny Marcus wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Clint Dilks cli...@scms.waikato.ac.nz wrote: I have some pb for running java on my system with Firefox 3.0.12 System centos 5.3 - kernel 2.6.18-128 x86_64 When I tested my java config on http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jretry=1 http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jretry=1 I have always the message that plugin missed : Java Runtime Environnemtn is not present. What I need to do for implemented full java in firefox ? snip If you have sun java 1.6 .* installed on a 32 Bit system you need to create a link from libjavaplugin_oji.so to one of your plugin directories such as /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Once this is done you should see something similar to the following in about:plugins Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_10-b33 File name: libjavaplugin_oji.so Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_10 snip I want to resurrect this thread. Some time ago, I got the JRE, but had the same problem as the OP. This box is CentOS 5.3 (32 bit) fully updated. Firefox 3.04.14. I have jre1.6.0_13 installed. In usr/lib/mozilla/plugins when I make the link, as the root user, the permissions seem to be the same as for the link for libflashplayer.so but when I go back to my regular user account and launch Mozilla Firefox, it crashes. Is that because I had the java.com site open in the browser, before making the link as the root user? I removed the link, temporarily. What do I need to do, to make the link work properly? TIA! Gee, flashplayer I reported a bug to the firefox team early last week. *Every* time I tried to use flash under either 3.0.14 or 3.5.3, firefox crashed. Hard. They *finally* found the bug: there's an undocumented dependency on libcurl, so if you install the curl rpm (both, if you're running 64-bit), it'll work. Mark: Thank you. I am running CentOS 5.332 bit. Do I need to yum install libcurl or libcurl and curl? TIA! Lanny yum install curl (or update curl). The curl package includes libcurl. And I'm on 5.3 32 bit at home (where I tried it first), and 64 bit at work. Oh, and if you're interested, it was Bug 515672. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] CentOS for non-tech user
m.r...@5-cent.us a écrit : I also have CentOS at home. There are quirks, though: for example, I tried to run kaffeine last night, and it couldn't find libkaffeinepart.so. I tried adding /opt/kde3/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, to LOAD_LIBwhatever, and even did an ldconfig, and it *still* can't find it (I run icewm, btw, not KDE). Kaffeine is basically Xine for KDE. Since you're running IceWM, you might as well give Xine or Gxine (no Gnome deps) a spin. I might... but I *really* want to know *why* it can't find the library, that's right there. That's problems waiting to happen. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] selinux...
Have I mentioned that I am less than enthralled with selinux? My latest issue is continuing messages in the /var/log/messages, which complain, for example, that siteminder can't write to smagent log (well, it can, since we've got selinux in permissive mode, and no, we have no control over using either siteminder or selinux). I've done what it says will solve the problem. A number of times. Discussing it with my manager, it seems as though selinux DOES NOT HAVE CORRECT ERROR HANDLING, and is falling through to a default error, and is *not* telling me the true cause. Anyone else seen this? Clues for the poor? (And please, if you're going to say anything about getting rid of either, just don't: as I said, we have *zero* control over what the security people, or upper management, demand.) mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
