Re: [CentOS] where is glib-devl x86-64?

2023-03-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023, Fred wrote:
>that's what I thought at first, but there is no gimp-devel either
>installed, or available.

I have gimp installed on AlmaLinux 9 here which has RPMs:
gimp-libs-2.99.8-3.el9.x86_64
gimp-2.99.8-3.el9.x86_64.

I would look at the generated configure file and config.log to
see what it's really looking for.

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Re: [CentOS] Looking for a RAID1 box

2023-01-03 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Jan 03, 2023, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>Well what I am finding looks like it will be in the +80W range and I am
>trying to use less electricity.  I would put up with 40W, including drives.

You might want to consider a Raspberry Pi 4 with 8GB RAM and a
case that will support a couple of 2.5in SSD drives.  I'm running
one here with postfix, courier-imap, clamav, amavisd, ...  Mine
is in an Argon One case with single 2TB SSD with a PoE Splitter.
It's running the same email software that we run on CentOS and
AlmaLinux.  Current uptime on out main mail server is 362 days.

This case has space for 2 2.5in SSD drives.

https://smile.amazon.com/Geekworm-Raspberry-Storage-Expansion-Compatible/dp/B07VXF2HJG

Geekworm New NASPi Gemini Dual 2.5'' SATA HDD/SSD NAS Storage Kit with DC
6-18V Wide Voltage Input|Safe Shutdown|Auto Power On|RAID Function for
Raspberry Pi 4 Model B(Not Include Raspberry Pi)

++
|  Part   Price  |
++
|RPi4B 8GB   $215.00 |
|Case  70.00 |
|2SSD 300.00 |
++
|Total   $585.00 |
++

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Re: [CentOS] Raspberry Pi 4 and C++ 17

2022-04-25 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, Will wrote:
>On 4/25/2022 4:09 PM, Bill Campbell wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, Will wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > I have a program I want to run on a Raspberry PI 4 that was written on an
>> > x86_64 architecture.  So I downloaded the Raspberry PI image of CentOS 7 
>> > and
>> > now I'm on armv7hl.  Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any devtools
>> > for arm at all.  Is there an easy(ish) way to get c++ 17 this architecture?
>> What program do you want to run on the Pi 4?
>> 
>> Bill
>It's something I wrote myself a few years ago that extensively uses
>std::filesystem.

Will,

Have you tried building on the current 64 bit Raspberry PI Linux?
My most recent install is running on an 8GB Pi 4+ in an Argon One M.2
case with 1TB SSD drive in a headless configuration.  I've built
over 300 packages from sources for amavisd through zlib on the Pi.
These are all packages I've been using for decades going back to
Caldera Linux and most recently CentOS.

I've had to install quite a few development packages using apt-get
on the Pi.  I could provide a complete list of installed packages
that could be used to quickly use apt-get install to pull in the
packages needed.

# dpkg-query -f '${binary:Package}\n' -W | sort > packages_list.txt
# comm -13 packages_list.txt mypackagelist > newpackages
# apt-get update
# apt-get install `cat newpackages`

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Re: [CentOS] Raspberry Pi 4 and C++ 17

2022-04-25 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, Will wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a program I want to run on a Raspberry PI 4 that was written on an
>x86_64 architecture.  So I downloaded the Raspberry PI image of CentOS 7 and
>now I'm on armv7hl.  Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any devtools
>for arm at all.  Is there an easy(ish) way to get c++ 17 this architecture?

What program do you want to run on the Pi 4?

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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 on Macbook

2020-01-30 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, david wrote:
>Folks
>
>I am trying to install Centos 8.1 on a MacBook Pro.  I have a bootable USB
>stick with centos-8.1-boot (which I think is the equivalent of a netinstall),
>and it boots.  However, when I select the storage option, and choose to make
>more space on the SSD, go through the confirming dialogs, the installer
>complains that it was unable to save the information to the disk.  A similar
>attempt using Centos-7 netinstall successfully rewrites the SSD.  This
>failure also occurs when I boot the Centos-8.1-dvd.
>
>Is there something else I should be doing?

I would try this using VMWare Fusion.

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Re: [CentOS] tabs ignored in here document

2017-05-05 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, May 05, 2017, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>I thought this worked.  Many web pages tell you it works.  But bash is
>ignoring tabs in my here docs.  Worst, where there are two tabs, it is
>functioning as a command expand in bash, where all files in the current
>directory are listed to complete the command.
>


I suspect that the shell is attempting to expand the '*'
character.  You need to escape the delimiter with a backslash
to keep the shell from expanding:

cat <<\EOF > 00-init.conf ...
...
EOF

>cat <00-init.conf || exit 1
>ServerAdmin $admin_email
>ServerName $your_host_tld
>
>
>Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
>AllowOverride None
>Require all granted
>
>
>
>SSLEngine On
>SSLCertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/$your_host_tld.crt
>SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/pki/tls/private/$your_host_tld.key
>
>Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
>AllowOverride None
>Require all granted
>
>
>EOF
>
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Re: [CentOS] OT: Replacing Venerable NAS

2015-11-18 Thread Bill Campbell
We're using Synology boxes with good results so far.

They're built on Linux with ssh access and good support for
things like rsync.

They have options to backup to remote servers including Amazon too.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015, Tim Evans wrote:
> I have an original-label Infrant (now NetGear) ReadyNAS storage  
> appliance that's been running for 8+ years. Except for replacing its  
> power supply, it has not skipped a beat in all this time.
>
> I use it primarily as a backup device (via NFS) for a couple of Linux  
> machines, (via SMB) for a couple of Windows PC's, and (via ftp) for web  
> sites at my hosting provider.
>
> SMART+ reporting shows ~75K hours operation, with zero sectors  
> reallocated, on each of the four disks.
>
> I'm thinking I should be looking for a replacement, even with all this  
> good info/luck.
>
> Would like to hear recommendations here.  Besides the ReadyNAS, I have  
> worked with a Thecus NAS (don't recall model). What are the features I  
> should look at?
>
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Re: [CentOS] OT: Extracting Subject Lines from IMAP Mailbox

2015-02-16 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015, Nux! wrote:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/imaputils/files/ ?

I guess you'll at least need to download and parse the email headers.

I do this sort of thing with Python and its 'imaplib'

Something like this will return a list of all unseen messages in
the security folder where Subject contains 'Sec-Blocked'.

import imaplib
conn = imaplib.IMAP4('example.com')
c, d = conn.login('username', 'password')
c, n = conn.select('INBOX.security')
c, s = conn.uid('search', None, '(UNSEEN HEADER SUBJECT Sec-Blocked)')
msgnumbers = s[0].split()
unseenUIDs = set(msgnumbers) # using set for later manipulations
for uid in sorted(unseenUIDs)
# do something for each uid

# done

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 Subject: [CentOS] OT: Extracting Subject Lines from IMAP Mailbox

 Looking for a command-line way to extract only the Subject lines from my
 mailbox on my ISP's IMAP server, without actually downloading/modifying
 the contents of the mailbox.  Sort of the remote equivalent of locally
 doing:
 
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Re: [CentOS] C5 : Deleting un-deletable files ?

2014-09-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014, Always Learning wrote:

Thank you to Steven and to Valeri for an excellent idea.

The fsck cured the problem.  The problem files were removed by fsck
during its recovery/rectification.

The first thing you should do when you find files or directories
is use 'lsattr' to check the attributes.  In particular look for
the 'i' attribute which marks the entry as immutable.  A favorite
trick of crackers is to put their own versions of commands such
as /bin/ps, /bin/ls, /usr/bin/find, etc. to hide their activity.

You can use the 'chattr' command to change the attributes with
something like 'chattr -i /bin/ps' to remove immutable attribute.
If there are multiple attributes shown by the 'lsattr' command,
simply add them like 'chattr -iAs /bin/ps'.  It also takes the -R
option to run recursively through a directory.

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] OSX-10.9.3 cd ~'/ problem with spaces'

2014-06-03 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014, James B. Byrne wrote:
Apologies for this OT post.  I need some help debugging a bash script.  It
just happens to be provided by Apple Inc.

In a terminal session under OSX-10.9.3 I want do do this:

cd ~/'Library/Application Support'

Works for me on my OS X 10.8.5 Macbook Pro, xterm under xQuartz
and under the Terminal.app.

Which is a simple enough request.  However, OSX returns: cd
/users/byrnejb/Library/Application: No such file or directory.  The space
evidently acts as a delimiter to cd even though the path is quoted.

However this:

ls -l ~/'Library/Application Support'

Perhaps you have 'cd' as an alias or a function which loses the
quotes when passing to the real cd?

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Re: [CentOS] mbox files - can they be compacted?

2014-04-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014, Russell Miller wrote:

On Apr 13, 2014, at 10:25 PM, Keith Keller 
kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us wrote:
 
 In the context of the OP, when mutt tries to deal with a message (e.g.,
 deleting, moving to a folder), it can be boatloads faster, since
 handling the message works on a small file which contains just that
 message.  Deleting a message from an mbox mailbox, for example, requires
 rewriting the entire changed mbox file to disk (minus the deleted message).
 Deleting a message from a Maildir mailbox is just removing one file from
 a directory.


HOWEVER.  When a directory grows too large, the OS can take a long time to
seek through the directory, which can cause its own set of problems.  And
this makes cleaning out a maildir directory selectively a real pain.
Maildir really could do with a hashing mechanism.

We have been using Maildir with courier-imap for decades, and
haven't had an issue with this.  My security folder typically has
25,000+ messages for the last 7 days messages, and accessing
either with IMAP or directly with mutt isn't a problem.

I have written various scripts over the years to convert from
various mail storage formats ranging from SCO's horrible ctrl-a
delimited through the U.W. IMAP, and ones that query other IMAP
servers to convert their folder structures to local Maildir.

Maildir is generally very easy to handle with standard *nix
command line tools.  We have moved mail servers for some
regional ISPs by rsync'ing with tens of thousands of email
customers by rsync'ing from the old server to the new one to get
the bulk of the mail across before cutting over to the new
machine.  Then we shut the old server down, change the DNS to
point to the new one, and finally do a new rsync --delete to
update the new machine.  There's a period where some deleted
messages may reappear on the client's email before the rsync is
complete, but all new messages appear immediately.

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Re: [CentOS] sendmail delay in presenting banner

2014-03-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014, John R Pierce wrote:
On 3/23/2014 11:49 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
 nslookup NAME.DOMAIN.com 127.0.0.1  I appropriately get 10.0.0.187

 So far I am stumped on this problem, if any of you have suggestions I
 would appreciate your help

in your DNS server, create a reverse zone for 10.0.0.0/8,  like, 
10.in-addr.arpa,  even if it doesn't have any records other than NS and SOA.

Another thing that can cause long delays is to use obsolete RBLs.

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Re: [CentOS] Does anyone use tcp wrappers (hosts.allow/hosts.deny) anymore?

2014-03-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Larry Martell wrote:
 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:33 AM, James B. Byrne byrn...@harte-lyne.ca
 wrote:
...
 Yes. For example look how MicroSoft has improved Windows since
 XPsp3.;-^)

 I wouldn't know. I don't use it. I've been programming professionally
 since 1975 and I've managed to never use Windows.

1980. and I've had to. But I worked long and hard to get into *Nix, and
with one 1.25 year excursion otherwise, have managed to stay here.

1966, and I have never used anything Microsoft willingly other than their
Natural keyboard and wireless mice :-).

So I *do* object to my toolset being cut down or mangled when it's
unnecessary. tcp.wrappers, no big deal. Non-plain  text configuration
files, or crap that invokes crap that invokes crap to do what was formerly
done by one program that read one simple configuration file, not so
much

Remember when SuSE's yast maintained a central configuration file, and
would overwrite manually changed Linux configuration files if one changed
something in the GUI?  So many experienced admins complained that they
finally went back to honoring the manual changes.

Then there's the infamous Windows Registry

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Re: [CentOS] Does anyone use tcp wrappers (hosts.allow/hosts.deny) anymore?

2014-03-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-03-21, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting double negative. Implies that once the technical barriers are
 removed, then it's OK to remove old features for change's sake. ;)

If, as Matthew says, the codebase hasn't been maintained since 2001,
then we should have concerns about unfound security issues, as well as
concerns that, if others find security problems, nobody is responsible
for fixing them.  If tcpwrappers had a current maintainer this wouldn't
be an issue.

There's certainly at least one technical reason to prefer other options
like iptables over tcpwrappers.  I've had instances where an attacker
made dozens of ssh probes per second; tcpwrappers was able to reject
these, but sshd was so overwhelmed that it was unable to exchange host
keys with legitimate clients.  iptables would have blocked these attacks
more effectively, letting sshd handle the legitimate client sessions
properly.

My solution to this is to have swatch watching the tcp_wrappers ssh, imap,
and pop3 logs and blocking with iptables any IP address that has more than
N (5 by default) failed connection attempts in a minute or that is listed
in our blacklist DNSRBL.  A postgresql database is used on each machine
with a history of IPs blocked which is used to automatically expire blocks
and to add them if a system is rebooted.

We maintain a couple of DNSRBLs for whitelisting and blacklisting IP
addresses and net blocks that are largely fed by the reports generated.
The /etc/hosts.allow files on all the systems we monitor use these DNSRBLs
on critical services (e.g. sshd) to ALLOW/DENY access.

The net result of this has been that it's rare when a particular IP gets
more than a few failed attempts before being blocked the first time, and
one or two if it's in our blacklist DNSRBL whether it's on the first
machine attacked or any of the other machines we monitor.

FWIW, the the majority of the attacks seem to be password guessing attempts
using IMAP, not ssh.  The successful cracks on Linux machines I've seen
were done via weak user accounts on ISPs that were then accessed via php to
the user's writeable public html directory.

As somebody already pointed out, no one tool is sufficient to limit access.

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Re: [CentOS] Does anyone use tcp wrappers (hosts.allow/hosts.deny) anymore?

2014-03-20 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:

 Does anyone use tcp wrappers (hosts.allow/hosts.deny) anymore? And, would
 you care strongly if it went away (or would you just migrate to something
 else)?


Please don't remove it. Why  this sudden idea in software circles that
stuff that works properly needs to be removed for no reason whatsoever
other than it's old and we think nobody uses it. How do you know?. IF IT
AIN'T BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT. You might have heard of it.

This has been a problem with various open source projects for
decades, not so much removing something, but more often changing
options and behaviours that break existing uses.

It wouldn't matter to me if it were dropped from CentOS or the
upstream as we build our own, hacked to allow use of RBLs.

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Re: [CentOS] SOHO colour laser printer recommendations

2013-12-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013, Ned Slider wrote:
Hi List,

I'd really appreciate some recommendations for colour laser printers for 
use with CentOS. It's for light home use with CentOS 5 and CentOS 6 systems.

Must have:

1. Colour. Quality not that important as mainly for kids school project 
type of stuff.
2. Ethernet connectivity - want something I can plug into the network
3. Cheap running costs - don't want to be spending a fortune on toner
4. Linux support

I have very little experience with printing on Linux. I'm assuming I 
want a laser with Postscript and/or PCL emulation, and Linux driver 
support (still not sure exactly what I should be looking for here).

Top of my very short list at present is:

Brother HL-4140CN at £167

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brother-HL4140CN-Network-Colour-Printer/dp/B0047753F4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1386105929sr=8-1keywords=brother+hl-4140cn

I'd appreciate any other recommendations people might have.

First off I would stay away from HP printers.  As others have
said, they used to make quality products (I have an HP 4M+ that's
been going since November 1995), but the current ones aren't very
good.  I bought a new CP2025DN which worked nicely until my wife
managed to break something in the duplexer while loading paper,
and HP wouldn't sell the parts to the shop to repair it.  The 4
toner cartridges also cost over $100USD each.

I replaced the HP with a Ricoh Aficio SP C242sf.  This wasn't
cheap, but toner costs are about 1/3 that of the HP when buying
the ones with 6,000 page capacity.

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Re: [CentOS] Off-Topic: Low Power Hardware

2013-01-11 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013, SilverTip257 wrote:
Hello,

I'm slightly off-topic here, but it is somewhat CentOS related!

I'm in search of some hardware that consumes a low amount of power for use
as a test-bed for Linux, various coding projects, and LAN services.

1) Low power consumption (10-15W ... maybe 30W at most)
2) Must run Linux without too much fuss (CentOS or otherwise)
3) Must have two NICs (fast ethernet or better)
4) Memory - 1GB or better
5) Can be configurable either via serial or VGA.
6) Accepts a normal hard drive, not CF -- drive capacity is my concern.
7) spare PCI slot is a _plus_ (extra NICs or whatever else)
8) I'd like to keep the physical footprint to a minimum (size of a 1U
switch or so?)

I don't know about the power details, but we have used a fair
number of small desktop boxes (mini-ATX I think) with Atom
processors which are small, quiet, and low power.

Typically they need a low-profile NIC.

We have run various versions of CentOS back through 4 without
problems.

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Re: [CentOS] web mail and Squirrelmail

2012-12-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Tilman Schmidt
t.schm...@phoenixsoftware.de wrote:
 Am 24.12.2012 00:03, schrieb Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu:
 I switched to Roundcube early on it's life and haven't looked back.  The
 newest release sure is purrrty!! It's worlds better than Squirrelmail.

 Interesting. Last time I looked, Roundcube had issues with big
 (1GB) mailboxes. How does it fare these days in this respect?

Isn't that more related to the performance of the imap server behind it?

Last time I did any comparison squirrelmail was a lot faster than
the horde/imp package against the same courier-imap server.

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[CentOS-virt] Why is SCSI disabled in kvm on CentOS 5.8?

2012-10-02 Thread Bill Campbell
Looking at the SRPM kvm-83-249.el5.centos.5, and the SRPM for
qemu-kvm-0.12.1.2-2.209.el6.src.rpm on CentOS 6.2, I see many
patches to remove SCSI support.  The 5.2 kvm.spec file disables
scsi in the configure run.

Why has this been disabled?  Many old OS's don't grok SATA, but
have had SCSI support for years.

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Re: [CentOS-virt] centos 5.8 libvirt disk options

2012-09-27 Thread Bill Campbell
I am attempting to use libvirtd/kvm on CentOS 5.latest to migrate a SCO
OpenServer 5.0.6a VM from the old VMware server.

I have converted the multiple vmdk disk files to a single file, then used
qemu-img convert to create files for libvirtd, both qcow2 and raw formats.

After many attempts to get this working I'm up against what appears to be a
brick wall.

   + The VMware VMs are using straight 'ide' HD emulation which has been
 working well for several years.

   + The 'ide' on libvirtd appears to map to SATA which isn't supported by
 OSR5.  I've tried doing a fresh install from CDROM, but the
 installation fails to find the hard disk.  I might be able to find the
 appropriate BTLD for this, but that won't help migrating existing VMs.

   + When I tried using 'scsi' libvirtd says this isn't supported.  This
 would be my preferred emulation as we have used SCSI drives since the
 early days of Xenix on Tandy hardware.

   + The final problem if these are solved is that SCO is funny about its
 drive geometry, and the current versions of libvirtd and qemu don't
 appear to support the geometry allowing one to specify heads,
 cylinders, etc.

Am I going to have to resort to using VMware workstation for this?

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Re: [CentOS] ClamAV Problem

2012-09-17 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012, Shiv. Nath wrote:
On 9/17/12 11:45 AM, jiten jha wrote:
 Dear Friends,

 I have postfix mail server   When I try to install amavisd-new, clamAV,
 SpamAssassin follow this link http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Amavisd;.
 I have done all the configuration after that when I restart clamav
 So It is giving my this error message

 Stopping Clam AntiVirus Daemon:[FAILED]
 Starting Clam AntiVirus Daemon: LibClamAV Error: cl_cvdhead: Can't read CVD
 header in /var/clamav/daily.cld
 LibClamAV Error: cli_loaddbdir(): error parsing header of
 /var/clamav/daily.cld
 ERROR: Malformed database
...

This is not critical error, it simply means that database of clamav that 
contains definition information has corrupted. there are more than one 
way to fix it.
1.) yum remove clam clamav-db* followed by yum install clamav-db
2.) find  move the following files to temp location run freshclam.
daily.cvd main.cld, mirrors.dat

One should run 'freshclam' periodically to update the clamav
database.

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Re: [CentOS] KVM Setup for Win7 Pro on CentOS 5.x

2012-08-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
On 08/16/2012 12:34 AM, Bill Campbell wrote:
 Can somebody point me to a HowTO or other documentation describing the
 tools available under the CentOS 5 KVM package to create and manage a
 Windows 7 Pro VM?  All my VM experience to date has been the old free
 VMware Server.

Just for information, there is a centos-virt ML.

Thanks for that hint.  I subscribed a couple of days ago, but so
far haven't seen any traffic.  A google search of the archives
did turn up some interesting posts.

I have things working now after cleaning up some of the cruft
left around after my original attempts to follow the docs.
standard input:17: warning [p 1, 1.7i]: can't break line

  1.  Create a bridge, 'br0' following the writeup on this page (and
  several others):

  
https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html-single/Virtualization/index.html#sect-Virtualization-Network_Configuration-Bridged_networking_with_libvirt

  This link also has some interesting hints.

  http://itscblog.tamu.edu/startup-guide-for-kvm-on-centos-6/

  2.  Delete the routed network definition I had made prior to creating the
  bridge.  Things didn't work properly with the old definition even
  though it was point to my private interface, 'eth1'.  I also deleted
  the 'default' NAT interface as we will never use that.

  3.  Check for other software that references the new bridge, changing the
  old 'eth1' interface to 'br0'.  Samba shares were not appearing until
  I updated 'interfaces' in the 'smb.conf' file.  This may have been
  caused when I turned sharing on in the Win7 VM which I didn't need.

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Re: [CentOS] KVM Setup for Win7 Pro on CentOS 5.x

2012-08-17 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, Theo Band wrote:
On 08/16/2012 06:36 PM, Bill Campbell wrote:
...
 + Set up network bridging on the private LAN so that the Windows system
   is accessible via OpenVPN connections from the outside world and by
   users on the LAN to run a client/server accounting application.
 I have done KVM VLANs but I am not sure if it can be done from the
 virt-manager.   Experiment and see how far you can go.
 I will be digging into this later today.  So far I've found the
 file /var/lib/libvirt/network/default.xml and see a vibr0
 interface defined.

 The documentation I found yesterday described setting up briding,
 but hopefully virt-manager has a nicer way to do it.

This I find the most difficult part. I have done it a couple of time and 
made myself a HOWTO. You need to fill in some IP figures of course. I 
assume a fixed IP address, but DHCP should work as well. The setup 
creates a bridge and adds and existing interface (ifcfg-ethx) to that 
bridge. After that you can use the bridge for the VMs:

I got things installed yesterday, adding a routed network section
using virt-manager linked to the private interface, eth1.  I left
the default NAT interface as-is.

After rebooting the machine, two bridge devices, virbr0 and
virbr1 appear in 'ifconfig' output with the appropriate IP
addresses (192.168.122.1 and 192.168.100.1 respectively).

The 'route -n' command shows reasonable routes for the VMs.

I am thoroughly confused by the documentation I've found so far,
much of which seems to be out of date.

When the Windows VM is active with the network virbr1 defined
with virt-manager and all other things default, a 'vmnet0' device
appears in 'ifconfig' output.  I can ping the IPs on the private
lan (192.168.101.0/24 in this case), but cannot get to the
outside world, nor can hosts on the LAN ping the VM's assigned IP
address 192.168.100.114.

If I shut down the VM, manually run 'brctl addif virbr1 eth1', then start
the VM things change:

   + The IP address assigned to the VM is in the 192.168.101.0/24 block
 instead of 192.168.100.0/24 defined in virt-manager.

   + I can ping the outside world from the VM.

   + I can ping other hosts in 192.168.101.0/24, but *NOT* the Linux boxes
 IP address.

   + I cannot ping anything in 192.168.101.0/24 from the command line on
 the Linux host (logged in with ssh on the public interface).

   + The command 'brctl show' displays vmnet0 and eth1 vir virbr1.

I'm more than a bit confused at this point.

My main goal is to get LAN and OpenVPN access to the Windows VM.
I really don't care about Internet access from the Windows VM,
although Microsoft really wants it to get updates and such.

KVM
===
yum install kvm virt-manager qemu bridge-utils
#create bridge for virt-machine
cat  /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br0  _END_
DEVICE=br0
TYPE=Bridge
IPADDR=192.168.48.X
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
GATEWAY=192.168.48.1
BOOTPROTO=none
ONBOOT=yes
DELAY=0
NOZEROCONF=true
NM_CONTROLLED=no
_END_

Edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx :
ONBOOT=yes
BRIDGE=br0
NM_CONTROLLED=no

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Re: [CentOS] KVM Setup for Win7 Pro on CentOS 5.x

2012-08-16 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, Arun Khan wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Bill Campbell cen...@celestial.com wrote:
 Can somebody point me to a HowTO or other documentation describing the
 tools available under the CentOS 5 KVM package to create and manage a
 Windows 7 Pro VM?  All my VM experience to date has been the old free
 VMware Server.

Assuming you have hardware acceleration and 64 bit version installed,
look for the virt-manager package.

Thanks.  I found that after doing some poking around.  I'll be in
my normal 'learn by destroying' mode this afternoon (apologies to
Jeff Lieberman of learnbydestroying.com :-).

The interface is very similar to virtual box.

I've never used that, only VMware so far.


 I need to:
+ Create the VM instance allowing for about 50GB total disk space which
  will be either a single image partitioned into two Windows 'Drives'
  for the OS and applications/data, or two images.

The default location for the hard disk image file is under /var/lib
path.This can be changed to point to a different location if you
are planning many such large installation.   An alternate method could
be to define a file or a LVM and then tell virt-manager the location
of this file/LVM volume.

Thanks for that info.  It looks like everything is under
/var/lib/libvrt.

I assume that I can replace /var/lib/libvirt/images with a
symlink to another file system with adequate space.

Would it be safe to symlink the entire /var/lib/libvrt directory
to another file system?  I just tried 'lsof /var/lib/libvirt' on
the system with no VMs and the libvrtd service running, and it
doesn't show anything using it at idle.

+ Install Windows 7 from an OEM System Builder Pack, either using the
  CD/DVD drive on the Linux server or from an image created with 'dd'
  from the Win7 media.

Any x86 OS can be installed.  Choose a NIC like Realtek or Intel Pro,
drivers for which should be recognizable by the Windows installer.

+ Set up network bridging on the private LAN so that the Windows system
  is accessible via OpenVPN connections from the outside world and by
  users on the LAN to run a client/server accounting application.

I have done KVM VLANs but I am not sure if it can be done from the
virt-manager.   Experiment and see how far you can go.

I will be digging into this later today.  So far I've found the
file /var/lib/libvirt/network/default.xml and see a vibr0
interface defined.

The documentation I found yesterday described setting up briding,
but hopefully virt-manager has a nicer way to do it.

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[CentOS] KVM Setup for Win7 Pro on CentOS 5.x

2012-08-15 Thread Bill Campbell
Can somebody point me to a HowTO or other documentation describing the
tools available under the CentOS 5 KVM package to create and manage a
Windows 7 Pro VM?  All my VM experience to date has been the old free
VMware Server.


I need to:
   + Create the VM instance allowing for about 50GB total disk space which
 will be either a single image partitioned into two Windows 'Drives'
 for the OS and applications/data, or two images.

   + Install Windows 7 from an OEM System Builder Pack, either using the
 CD/DVD drive on the Linux server or from an image created with 'dd'
 from the Win7 media.

   + Set up network bridging on the private LAN so that the Windows system
 is accessible via OpenVPN connections from the outside world and by
 users on the LAN to run a client/server accounting application.

Thanks

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[CentOS] SCO OpenServer under KVM?

2012-06-07 Thread Bill Campbell
Does anybody here have experience running SCO OpenServer 5.0.6a
or earlier under KVM?

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[CentOS] Allow users on Console?

2012-05-09 Thread Bill Campbell
How does one allow non-root users to use X11 console logins,
CentOS 5 with gnome?  I've looked through the startup scripts,
but haven't been able to figure out where this goes.

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Re: [CentOS] Can anyone talk infrastructure with me?

2012-01-26 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012, Raymond Lillard wrote:
On 01/26/2012 03:43 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
 On 01/26/2012 09:09 AM, Jason T. Slack-Moehrle wrote:
 They advertise the starting Business T at 1.5Mbps per second
 They advertise the ADSL2+ 2 lines at up to 40Mbps per second.
 Am I mis-understanding that the cost for a T seems high, but a better
 option for me than getting their ADSL2+ service? I mean, is the T
 faster over all given it is all my traffic and I am not sharing?
 Can you explain a bit so I can develop a better understanding of how
 they advertise speeds, etc?

 Yes, the cost for a T1 will seem very high.  It is antiquated telco
 tech.  T1s are generally very reliable, but very very slow.

Slow is relative.  Our T1 is infinitly faster than a cable or DSL
circuit when the power is out, which happens quite frequently
here.  Every time the Comcast/Xfinity folks come around trying to
sell their services I note that when we had a week-long outage
about 14 months ago, our generator kept the computers going, and
USWorst's T1 never faltered.  Comcast was down for that week, and
another after the power came back up.

Yes they are indeed slow and reliable.  That said, on the
rare occasion they do go out, they get repaired quickly.
This may not not be true in you case, but usually T1 lines
are tariffed with guaranteed uptimes if you ask the right
questions and read the fine print.

We are a bit more the 20,000 feet from the local CO, and have had
a couple of occassions in the last 13 years where they have
replaced the entire circuit when having problems with repeaters
and such.  For a while there were incidents where a telco tech
buggered our T1 while trying to grab pairs in a terminal block
for voice lines.

I have had clients on DSL be down for a few days while the
telco got a round tuit.

Same here, even in commercial areas of Seattle where one would
expect the infrastructure to be solid.

There are two reasons T1 is more expensive.  T1 requires
2 copper pairs in the cable.  Those 2 pairs not available
for voice traffic.  The other reason is the uptime
requirements.

DSL, while faster, does not preclude using the pair for voice
traffic, uses a single copper pair and has no uptime commitments.

You can also share voice and data over a single T1.  We have a
couple of voice lines on our T1 which are split out with an
Adtran channel bank that our provider supplies.  I like this as
it replaced the old Linux box we had with a (expensive) Sangoma
card connecting to the T1.

Another option which someone else mentioned is direct ethernet
connections.  We have a client in an industrial area of South
Seattle that got that recently, and has been quite happy with it.

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[CentOS] (OT): Horde initial SQL setup

2012-01-25 Thread Bill Campbell
I haven't been able to find anything useful on the horde sites,
and I haven't found anything useful with 'yum search'.

I am trying to set up horde webmail using the PEAR install on a new
CentOS 5 system intending to migrate existing horde-3.x sites to horde-4.x.

The PEAR installation procedure asked for the database type, db name, and
password.  I had not created the mysql database before running the
installation thinking that this would be done as part of the installation
(silly me :-).  I know little or nothing about the internals of PEAR as I
generally avoid PHP if at all possible so I don't know what's necessary to
nuke the entire installation and start from scratch other than to restore
the VMware VM from the snapshot I made before starting this project.

In the past I have done this manually from the various tarballs available
from horde.org, and these had the appropriate SQL scripts to initialize
mysql and postgresql back ends.  The PEAR installation doesn't seem to have
these, nor do the sources obtained with 'git'.  They do have upgrade
scripts to update from various earlier version of horde which could work
for existing installations, but would require more work with new installs.

I tried finding appropriate SRPMs so I could look at their SPEC files to
see how others have done this, but haven't been able to find ones for
horde-4.x.

The options seem to be:

   + Get SQL scripts to create the necessary databases.

   + Find the appropriate SPRMs for the horde components to see how they
 take care of this in their %post installation processing.

   + Uninstall the existing stuff using pear, and start from scratch after
 first creating the appropriate database.

   + Give up and continue to use the older versions of horde components
 which do work.

Suggestions, pointers to documentation, ???

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Re: [CentOS] (OT): Horde initial SQL setup

2012-01-25 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, Craig White wrote:

On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Bill Campbell wrote:

 I haven't been able to find anything useful on the horde sites,
 and I haven't found anything useful with 'yum search'.
 
...
 The options seem to be:
 
   + Get SQL scripts to create the necessary databases.
 
   + Find the appropriate SPRMs for the horde components to see how they
 take care of this in their %post installation processing.
 
   + Uninstall the existing stuff using pear, and start from scratch after
 first creating the appropriate database.
 
   + Give up and continue to use the older versions of horde components
 which do work.
 
 Suggestions, pointers to documentation, ???


you're going to have to make up your mind which you want to use, MySQL or
PostgreSQL

While I much prefer PostgreSQL, I have been using MySQL with
horde as it looks like that's where there support is best.

After that decision is made, you would simply create the databases using
the client tools of either or if you are unfamiliar/uncomfortable using
command line to create user/database/privileges for the database of choice,
you probably just want to use something like webmin (can do either postgres
or mysql), MySQL_Query_Browser (mysql) or PgAdmin3 (postgres)

I've been doing *nix systems since 1982 with Radio Shack Xenix so I'm fine
with the CLI tools.  I've also done a fair amount of DB work in python and
perl using their DBI modules.

What I haven't been able to find are the sql script files to do the initial
database creation that were present in older versions of horde, imp,
kronolith, turba, etc.

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Re: [CentOS] (OT): Horde initial SQL setup

2012-01-25 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012, Craig White wrote:

On Jan 25, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Bill Campbell wrote:

...
 What I haven't been able to find are the sql script files to do the initial
 database creation that were present in older versions of horde, imp,
 kronolith, turba, etc.


Don't quote me on this - you can probably get a better definitive answer
from the horde mail list but I think the actual scripts are located in your
PEAR directory (perhaps under Horde/Test)

Of course you need to get into mysql and create a user for horde, create a
database for horde and grant permissions to the horde user for the horde
database and obviously configure that in horde/config/conf.php (which
should be possible with the web configuration tool.

That got me there.

After digging around in the $prefix/bin/webmail-install script
and grep'ing my way through the Horde directories, I figured out
that I could rerun webmail-install script after creating the
mysql database, user, and password, and all the appropriate
tables were created.

Now I need to look at the schema to see what's necessary in
migrating an older horde/imp installation to this.

Thanks again.

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Re: [CentOS] Help to install horde

2011-12-07 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011, John R Pierce wrote:
On 12/07/11 1:58 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 ssh -X yourserver
 firefox -no-remote
 *Then*  http://127.0.0.1/horde, orhttp://localhost/horde, whatever.

if that doesn't work, `yum install xauth`, then log out and log in again 
with ssh -X ...

This may work better, ssh -Y.

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Re: [CentOS] redhat vs centos

2011-11-02 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011, Lamar Owen wrote:
On Tuesday, November 01, 2011 01:46:57 AM Bob Hoffman wrote:
 Personally I am thinking of staying away from all red hat clones due to 
 redhat's actions for my own security.
 The only thing on the horizon I see is ubuntu server as best supported 
 and up to date.

There are really two good enterprise-grade alternatives, in my opinion, one 
free and one not:
1.) SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES);

We were using that about 5 years ago, and paid Novell a fair amount of
money in their Partner program.  Novell's support was slim to non-existent
leading to our move to CentOS.

Given the recent sale to Attachmate and such, I wouldn't invest any time or
money in SLES.

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Re: [CentOS] Archive mail format?

2011-11-02 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011, Les Mikesell wrote:
...
Thanks - I think most of what I'd want to keep is still accessible via
imap.   What I'm wondering is if there is a general consensus about
the file format for long term storage that would be most likely to
permit direct search and access from some future mail reader, possibly
on some other OS.  I suppose I could make a VM image that I could fire
up as an imap server again, but that seems kind of cumbersome.

I would store in Maildir format as it's simple, supported by
several IMAP servers (e.g. courier-imap and dovecot), and it's
very easy to use standard *nix tools to search and/or manipulate
messages.

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Re: [CentOS] External Dial-up Modem

2011-09-26 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011, Graham Johnston wrote:
I am having an issue with Centos 6 and an external USRobotics modem.  We
use the modem as part of a last resort SMS paging system.

Across multiple Dell servers, different models, I can't not get the
modem to respond to simple AT commands while using Minicom.  At the same
time if I connect the server to a console port on a switch I can
successfully access the switches serial console.  So I know the serial
port itself is working.  The modem still works fine if connected to a
Centos 5 server.

Any thoughts?

Which device are you using for the serial connection.  It should be
/dev/ttyS0 or similar to provide the correct modem control signals.  The
modem probably won't respond unless the DTR (Data Terminal Ready) line is
up.  It's been quite a while since I had to look at the modems on our
system that runs HylaFAX and dialup connections,

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Re: [CentOS] dealing with spoofing

2011-09-01 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011, Always Learning wrote:

On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 12:43 -0700, Scott Silva wrote:

 I get TONS of spam with legitimate DKIM signatures...

How is that possible ?

The spam comes from Yahoo! or perhaps Google groups?

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Re: [CentOS] dealing with spoofing

2011-08-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Here's a thought I just thunk, folks: some scum, apparently in eastern
Europe, has harvested my email, and is using it in the Reply-To: in its
spamming efforts. Now, I realize that some mails go out from noreply, but
other than that, is there a good reason why a mailserver would not be
configured to send delivery failure to *both* Reply-To and From?

This type of forging is generally referred to as a Joe Job, and
may be a conscious effort to impair the reputation of the forged
sender or domain or perhaps an attempt to flood the mailboxes of
antispammers (e.g. mail forged like ab...@antispam.example.com).

Sending spam complaints to these addresses or to their ISPs is
generally a waste of time and effort as the forged sender has
nothing to do with the message as any cursory examination of the
Received: headers in the message will confirm.  The spam
complaints are in themselves a type of abuse, and are referred to
as Blowback.  Sometimes these complaints are the result of
ignorance when they are manual complaints, or incompetence (e.g.
early Barracuda e-mail appliances that did this by default).

Configuring an MTA to bounce to the Reply-To: header is probably
worse than useless as it could well flood poorly configured
mailing lists with garbage when spam gets through the lists spam
filters, then the complaints go back to the mailing list.

Probably the best thing to do with this kind of delivery failure
message which come in is to ignore them unless you feel like Don
Quixote and like tilting at windmills.

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Re: [CentOS] Howto create a VPN connection on desktop (CentOS 6)

2011-07-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011, Mark Weaver wrote:

I'd like to be able to create VPN connections on my laptop to connect to 
client locations and I was wondering if someone could point me in the 
right direction for this information. I've checked on the wiki, but 
didn't find anything.

We use OpenVPN for pretty much everything other than iPhone and
iPad which don't grok OpenVPN.

OpenVPN works quite nicely with Linux, Windows, and OS X.

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[CentOS] USB-Parallel cable compatibility

2011-05-05 Thread Bill Campbell
I have an installation where we're replacing a rather old Linux
box with a new one that has no parallel ports.  The old box has
two parallel ports going to Okidata printers.

The IOGEAR GUC1284B USB to Parallel Adapter cable looks like it
might be a simple solution to this, but I would like to know that
it works before getting a couple.

Comments?

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Re: [CentOS] [OT] ups advice

2011-04-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011, Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 5:06 PM, admin lewis
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 Hi
 I have a Dell PowerEdge T310 *tower* server.. I have to buy an ups by
 apc... anyone could help me giving an hint ?
 a simple smart ups 1000 could be enough ?

UPS and Power Supplies are not all the same.  
If the UPS has a stepped voltage output (not smooth sine wave like the
local public grid has) in large enough steps to mess up the power
supply, you wind up with no UPS in effect.

We have been using APC UPSs for decades now, and the only major
problem I've seen is batteries swelling in some of the rack-mount
chassis making them difficult to impossible to remove.  By
difficult I mean taking the cover off the UPS to get to the
batteries.  By impossible, taking the cover off reveals that the
construction is such that the batteries won't come out the top.

We lose power fairly frequently here, and need the UPSs to keep
things going long enough to get generator backup started.  I have
found that the APC UPSs really don't like cheap generators.  We
had a week long power outage after the 2001 Clinton Inaugural
windstorm, and I got an inexpensive generator from Sears which
didn't work at all with APC equipment.  We're now using Honda
generators which are very quiet, and have kept things going for
over a week at a time.

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Re: [CentOS] SQL*Plus output as PDF [Linux]

2011-04-13 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Sven Aluoor wrote:
 Hi folks

 I generate with SQL*Plus a CSV file. How to convert this to PDF? Or
 more generally: how to get SQL*Plus output to PDF on Linux?

I generally go from CSV files to PDF using a python scripts to
generate input for groff, then use groff to create the PDF files.

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Re: [CentOS] script question

2011-03-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011, Jerry Geis wrote:
I can do simply search and replace with sed.
However, I want to setup httpd.conf from a script
that changes the default / which is presently:

While this can be done with sed, it's generally a lot easier to do with
python or perl, particularly when dealing with multi-line replacement
patterns.

It was this type of job that led me to perl in the late 1980s as perl was a
lot easier to understand than advanced sed features, and there was only one
regular expression syntax to remember.  Currently I use python for most
things, but don't want to start a scripting language wars thread here.

There's a very useful script 'replace' in the Kernighan and Pike book The
Unix Programming Environment which uses sed for in-place replacements as
an example of exception handling (MySQL has a similar 'replace' script but
with different arguments which tells me that their developers hadn't done
much basic *nix study as this book, while old, is still excellent).

The best book I've ever read on sed is Unix Text Processing by Dougherty
and O'Reilly which covers many *nix utilities.

Directory /
Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
/Directory

and change it to the following:

Directory /
Order Deny,Allow
Deny from all
AllowOverride None
/Directory

How do you do that with scripts? Basically substitute everything between 
the two Directory tags.

Thanks,

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Re: [CentOS] OT: grep regex pointer appreciated

2011-03-07 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011, Robert Grasso wrote:
Hello,

On my opinion, grep is not powerful enough in order to achieve what you
want. It would be preferable to use at least some (old but powerful) tools
such sed, awk, or even better : perl. Actually, what you need is a tool
providing a capture buffer (this is perl jargon - back references in sed
jargon) in which you can get the string you want to extract, rather than
trying to build up a positive matching regex, as the string boundaries seem
to be easy enough to describe with regexs.

One can use pcregrep which is grep that groks perl regular
expressions.

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[CentOS] iptables question.

2011-02-21 Thread Bill Campbell
We use a home-brew system similar to fail2ban to block traffic from IP
addresses which appear to be doing Nasty Things(tm).  The main thing our
system does that fail2ban doesn't is to use a central DNSRBL we maintain
allowing it to immedatiately ban listed IP addresses the first time they
make an attempt to connection without waiting for them to hit a sufficient
number of times to bring up the block.

This system sends e-mail messages to our security alias whenever a blocking
even occurs, either from tcp_wrappers or swatch log watcher.

My problem is that occassionally an IP addresses doesn't appear to be
blocked as we continue to see the e-mail messages after the blocks are in
place.  Most frequently these occur from courier-imap failed login
attempts, less frequently from sshd.

To start, iptables is initialized by setting up a named rule set,
say on eth0:

# these two set up the rule set.
iptables -N csblocks
iptables -A csblocks -j RETURN

# now add it to input, check csblocks on all new connections.
iptables -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -j csblocks

#Insert block IP address 1.2.3.4 as first rule in the set.
iptables -I csblocks 1 -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP
# now add a rule to prevent IP forwarding on gateway machines.
iptables -A FORWARD -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP
# for good measure, null route the IP
route add -host 1.2.3.4 reject

With all that incoming attempts still seem to get by for a few IP
addresses, but certainly not all.

Can anybody point out what I'm doing wrong, or why this may happen?

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Re: [CentOS] iptables question.

2011-02-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011, Stephen Harris wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 03:32:40PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote:

 My problem is that occassionally an IP addresses doesn't appear to be
 blocked as we continue to see the e-mail messages after the blocks are in
 place.  Most frequently these occur from courier-imap failed login
 attempts, less frequently from sshd.
 
 To start, iptables is initialized by setting up a named rule set,
 say on eth0:
 
 # these two set up the rule set.
 iptables -N csblocks
 iptables -A csblocks -j RETURN
 
 # now add it to input, check csblocks on all new connections.
 iptables -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -j csblocks

 With all that incoming attempts still seem to get by for a few IP
 addresses, but certainly not all.
 
 Can anybody point out what I'm doing wrong, or why this may happen?

Connections that are already established may be blocked but traffic
will continue to flow because you're only blocking on NEW traffic.

eg
connection made
login fail
login fail
login fail
BLOCK HAPPENS - perhaps it's the 5th set of connections and it's just
  tripped the threshold
login fail
login fail
login fail
too many failed attempts, disconnected by server daemon
new connection blocked

You'll see 3 login failures after the block occured because the connection
was still open.

That makes sense, and was one of the first things I thought of.

On the other hand lsof -n -i doesn't show any open connections
to the IP address, and I would think that the forwarding and null
route would prevent that.

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Re: [CentOS] x25 line xterm

2011-02-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011, Hal Davison wrote:
Noted that xterm by default uses 24 lines 
per window.

I have reviewed /etc/termcap looking for a 
specific entry for xterm that I can edit 
to change the ln#24 to ln#25 for our 
application.

When I used RedHat there was an editable 
option to change the number of displayable 
lines as is done in putty.

At the command line: 'xterm -geometry 80x25'.

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Re: [CentOS] Set font and size in xterm

2011-01-07 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011, James B. Byrne wrote:
I have a situation where gnome console does not handle vt102 escape
sequences properly and therefor need to employ xterm instead.  When
I run xterm from a gnome terminal window I am presented with an
extremely small terminal window employing an almost unreadably small
font.

I have attempted to set the font size using xrdb and a custom
.Xresources file.  I can change the colour scheme.  I can create a
scrollbar.  I can move the scrollbar to either the right or left
window margin.  What I cannot do is to change the font size.

An easier way to handle this is to create a $HOME/XTerm file
which will be used each time an xterm is started.  I'm including
mine which sets a large font and several other options I like.

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Re: [CentOS] What commands are available in recovery mode?

2010-12-29 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010, Mark wrote:
I have a CentOS VM that I messed up and it now can't find /home
(because it's gone), so it comes up in recovery mode.

Would a manual fsck help fix this?

What can I do in recovery mode?  It won't let me modify any files,
which makes it hard to fix the fstab, so ...???

This command will remount the root file system read-write so you
can edit things.

mount -n -oremount,rw /

When you're done this will remount read-only.

mount -n -oremount,ro /

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Re: [CentOS] logrotate.d - reload vs restart

2010-12-27 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010, Frank Cox wrote:
Looking at some of the stuff in /etc/logrotate.d, I see entries like this in
some of the configuration files:

postrotate
   /sbin/service privoxy reload  2 /dev/null || true

From the commandline, that doesn't work:

# /sbin/service privoxy reload  2 /dev/null || true
Usage: /etc/init.d/privoxy {start|stop|restart}

Changing reload to restart does work:

]# /sbin/service privoxy restart 2 /dev/null || true
Stopping Privoxy, OK.
Starting Privoxy, OK.

I find reload in the httpd logrotate file as well:

postrotate
/sbin/service httpd reload  /dev/null 2/dev/null || true

What am I failing to understand?

The reload command usually does a ``kill -HUP'' on the running
process to get it to reload its configuration files whild restart
will kill the running process and restart it which, of course,
causes it to read the configuration.  The reload command should
cause the running process to close and reopen log files.

Unfortunately, not all programs properly handle the HUP command,
either not reading the configuration, not properly handling log
files, or both.  Thus the restart should always work while reload
may not depending on the application.

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Re: [CentOS] logrotate.d - reload vs restart

2010-12-27 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010, Frank Cox wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:31:29 -0500
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

 */sbin/service* is working fine. It's just a shell script that finds
 and passes arguments to the init scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d/.
 (/etc/init.d is a symlink to /etc/rc.d/init.d: don't be confused by
 that.)
 
 If the init script supports reload, then service will successfully
 pass the argument to it. If it doesn't support reload, such as the
 privoxy script in this case does not, then you'll need  to use
 start, stop, or restart.

Ah... gotcha!  I've learned something today

There are many options to logrotate that control this, and things
like creating a new log file before reloading or restarting the
service (e.g. at least some syslogd programs will not work unless
their output log file(s) exist when they start.

The GNU shtool also provides log rotate functions which can be
used in cron jobs and such.

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Re: [CentOS] VPN for iPad

2010-12-19 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010, Eero Volotinen wrote:
2010/12/19 Ed Warner edwarne...@yahoo.com:
 What is the best VPN solution for both PC and iPad?  I was told that OpenVPN
 won't work for iPad.


I think that it works on jailbroken ipad.

anyway, ipad supports pptp directly?

That's what we use with iPad and iPod Touches.  I would prefer to
use OpenVPN if it ever becomes available for the iP[ao]ds.

I have never been able to get IPSec and OpenVPN to play together
on the same Linux server.

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Re: [CentOS] /bin/env

2010-12-10 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010, James B. Byrne wrote:
Please forgive my ignorance but I need a explanation of how to
accomplish the following since I cannot figure it out from the
documents.

I have a Ruby script with a shebang line that looks like this:

#!/usr/bin/env ruby

On one particular host I have two Ruby interpreters installed; one
the CentOS base version 1.8.6 in /usr/bin/ruby the other version
1.8.7 in /usr/local/bin/ruby.  In my shell the which command finds
/usr/local/bin/ruby.  In a cron job the /usr/bin/ruby is used by the
/bin/env invocation.

My question is: How does one configure /bin/env to return the
/usr/local/bin/ruby version?  or does that question even make sense?

The /bin/env command uses the $PATH environment variable to find
the argument.  If you want to invoke a specific version of ruby,
change the PATH variable or replace this with:

#!/usr/local/bin/ruby

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Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010, Toralf Lund wrote:
Karanbir Singh wrote:
 On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:
   
 That's going back to the character-mode days.  I meant the GUI version.

   
 I used an X11 version on some Unix variant a long time ago - possibly
 IRIX, but it may have been the DEC one (or both.) This was several years
 

 Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ?
   
It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have 
source code that would probably compile more or less directly under 
CentOS, for the (currently unsupported) software in question.

I find lists where there's fairly open discussion of topics more
useful than those that deal with very narrow topics.  It's
amazing how many times I learn something useful that I never
would have seen on a restricted list (e.g. I learned about the
Mac RSS reader NetNewsWire on a local Linux group list).

If a topic is uninteresting, ctrl-d with mutt on the thread nukes
it quickly.

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Re: [CentOS] New list ?

2010-11-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010, Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 11/24/2010 05:04 PM, Hakan Koseoglu wrote:
 My personal opinion is that it's not a big deal.  As with other mailing 
 lists,
 stuff I'm not interested in I simply ignore.

Are you saying that having focus and topic specific lists are not 
something you agree with ? Because thats what it sounds like!

I would agree with that.  The Apple mailing lists are a great
example, they have a metric tonne of mailing lists, each on a
specific topic, but none of general interest where one can ask an
off-the-wall question without getting flamed.

One of my favorite Linux related lists is the one that started as
a Caldera users mailing list, and is still going today.  There's
a pretty strong sense of community on that list with participants
all over the place in terms of Linux usage and geography.  Off
topic items have ranged from who makes the hottest chili to the
draught in Australia and how people deal with it.

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Re: [CentOS] Optimal VPN

2010-11-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010, n...@li.nux.ro wrote:
tony.chamberl...@lemko.com writes:
 
 I am looking for the optimal VPN. Well it doens't have to be that elaborate.
 Just the best VPN. We currently have some customers using PPTP, some using
 openvpn, some using Cisco Any Connect and there are a few others.
 
 So my question is, if you have control of both ends (client and server)
 what is the best VPN to use? There are not too many requirements, but a
 big one is
 
 The VPN must return the same IP address to the same user each time
 
 That is there must be a specific IP address assigned to a user/password
 combination. pptp does not really do this but I wrote sort of a backend
 (or maybe frontend? ;-) ) to change the IP address assigned based on a
 login and password. It is extra stuff I would prefer not to do though.
 
OpenVPN can do that (see their commercial solution as well).

We use OpenVPN for most things, and pptp (poptop) for connections
where the OpenVPN client's aren't available (e.g. iPad, iPhone,
iPod Touch).

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Re: [CentOS] Optimal VPN

2010-11-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010, John Hodrien wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Bill Campbell wrote:

 We use OpenVPN for most things, and pptp (poptop) for connections
 where the OpenVPN client's aren't available (e.g. iPad, iPhone,
 iPod Touch).

Is there anything to make you choose pptp over IPSec?  There are a number of
issues with PPTP that'd make me push it down my list of ideal VPNs.

Yup.  I've never been able to get IPSec and OpenVPN working
together on a Linux box.  Perhaps it's brain-fade on my part, but
I have spent quite a bit of time trying.

I have read that the original arguments about kindergarten
cryptography from Microsoft in PPTP are not as valid as they once
were, and we're not running it from Windows clients in any case,
they're all using OpenVPN clients.

The only place I'm currently running PPTP is from my iPad with
iSSH to connect to our network.  Any other connections I might
need to make from the iPad are done with another ssh connections
that originates from our LAN, not direct from the iPad.  Other
connections via the PPTP VPN are encrypted IMAP/SMTP connections
to servers on the private side of our network.

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Re: [CentOS] Word Perfect [Was: Novell sale news?]

2010-11-23 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 22:09 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: 
 On 11/22/10 9:57 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
  On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:29:12PM -0500, Michael Semcheski wrote:
  Windows only, unfortunately.
 When did they stop publishing *nix versions?  I worked
 extensively with that monstrosity 15-16 years ago on
 SCO / MWC Coherent.
 I don't think they ever did a real native *nix verson - they had a slightly 
 custom version of wine wrapped around the windows code.   And there was some 
 strange Microsoft involvement in the Corel company too - probably why you 
 haven't heard much from them.

I'm pretty sure they did have such a version;  WP was the first 'real'
word processor available for LINUX.  I ran it on a LINUX host and a
dozen or so NCD X-terminals.  It worked, but I can't imagine anyone
having been a fan. It was slow, clunky, and just ugly.

WordPerfect was available for SCO Xenix decades ago.  I wrote a
conversion program to convert Radio Shack Scripsit files to WP
4.3 which was pretty much the Lingua Franca of WP files in the
late 1980s and early '90s (amazingly I sold a copy of this within
the last 6 months to a police department that had been using
Scripsit continuously).

And as for reveal codes... OOo has a mode that displays non-printable
characters. Beyond that I just don't see the point.  OOo's document
collaboration and versioning tools are far and away better than what I
recall from WP.

WP users *LOVED* reveal codes as it allows people to see exactly
what's going on under the hood, and even fix some things when the
files get out of whack.  I answered the phone one time, and the
opening from the caller was ``I want Reveal Codes''.

I have never used word processing programs for much of anything
serious, using vim and groff or docbook xml for most things.
Back when I was managing Radio Shack Computer Centers, I got
pretty good with Scripsit, mostly so I could sell and answer
people's questions (and was a whiz with VisiCalc and MultiPlan :-).

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Re: [CentOS] xServes are dead ;-( / SAN Question

2010-11-11 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010, Nicolas Ross wrote:
On another note, on the same subject (xServes being disontinued), one 
feature we use heavily on our os-x server is the ability to load / unload 
periodic jobs with launchd.

With it we're able to schedule jobs let's say every 5 minutes, and so on. 
One could say I could do something like */5 * * * * /path to job in 
crontab. True, but the big advendage of launchd in that matter, is that it's 
5 minutes between jobs. So if the job takes 6 minutes, we will never have 2 
time the same job running at the same time.

We even have a job that is scheduled to run every 60 seconds, but can take 2 
hours to complete.

Is there any scheduler under linux that approch this ?

There are various ways of handling this type of problem.  One
consideration is whether it's OK for a job to start if the
previous job has not completed.  This is application specific,
and I don't know of any scheduler that does this (enlighten me if
there is :-).

I have seen cases of daily processing that do things like
update the ``locate'' database which may well not complete within
24 hours on large file systems.  Without checking for completion
of the previous day's run, this can end up creating problems.

For shell scripting, we often use the ``shlock'' program which I
got originally from the ``inn'' news software.  There's a perl
module LockFile::Simple that handles this for perl, and I've
hacked a python implementation of that module.  These all write
the pid of the controlling process to a lockfile which can be
read to test for stale jobs if the original job didn't properly
remove its lock file.

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Re: [CentOS] Pptp vpn server

2010-11-03 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 03, 2010, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 10:52:34AM -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 07:34 -0700, cpol...@surewest.net wrote: 
  Mattias wrote:
   Yes but there is no good webmin module for openvpn?
  Not to pour water on your tool, but Google for webmin exploit.
  This software appears regularly on security lists I read,
  but not in a good way.
 
 +1 I'd never put webmin on any of my hosts.  But fwbuilder is looking
 into supporting VPN configuration;  that will be a huge step forward.
 http://www.fwbuilder.org/

FYI, for PPTP on Linux you want to look at poptop.  I have no idea if
it's manageable by Webmin or not.

I have used poptop a bit, mostly because there is no OpenVPN
client for that works with the iPad.

As for webmin, we do have clients using it, but only restricted
to the internal LAN, and specified hosts on that LAN as I have
found some rather evil bugs (e.g. removing /home when doing user
maintenance after accepting /home as a user's home directory).

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Re: [CentOS] excel parser (preferably perl)?

2010-10-18 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
I'm getting tired of converting spreadsheets that someone else updates 
to csv so my perl scripts can push the data into a mysql database.  Is 
there a better way?  I haven't had much luck with 
perl-Spreadsheet-ParseExcel (and find it odd that yum prefers the .32 
version from epel over .57 from rpmforge anyway).  Is the current CPAN 
version better?  Or the equivalent java tools?  Or maybe a scripted 
OpenOffice conversion would be possible.

Needs to deal with both xls and xlsx formats, the odd characters that 
are confused with quotes even after csv conversion, numbers with $'s and 
commas embedded, excel's date formatting nonsense, etc.

I don't do much perl these days, having switched to python for
most of my stuff.

There is at least one python package for this:

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xlrd

A google search on ``python excel reader'' came up with quite a
few hits.

Of course there are easy python dbi interfaces to mysql, postgresql, and
other SQL databases as well.

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Re: [CentOS] using Linux as a front-end controller for a SAN?

2010-10-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
Hi all,

I hope someone can shed some light on this for me. Has anyone tried,
or have experience with, setting up a Linux server to manage a few NAS
devices and thus make them all visible to the clients as one large
SAN?

I don't know about Linux solutions for this, but I did see what
appeared to be an interesting solution for this at a WMware
meeting recently.  Falconstor Software virtualizes SAN storage in
much the same way VMware virtualizes servers.  My guess is it
isn't cheap, but reinventing wheels can be expensive too.

http://www.falconstor.com/

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Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1%

2010-10-09 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Oct 09, 2010, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
...
I don't believe that profit is the reason why Adobe and others don't offer a 
Linux version of their products. I would rather say it is incompetence to 
maintain the code that is portable across OS's. And that says something about 
the quality of their products and skill level of their programmers, IMNSHO. I 
think Linux community is actually better off not using any of that crap 
software, if possible (I wonder why flash player comes to my mind right 
now...).

I really came to doubt the competence of Adobe's programmers when I tried
installing Photoshop Elements on a Mac, but it wouldn't even try to install
because I OS X installed on a case-sensitive file system.  When I see this,
it leads me to believe that they can't even bother for consistency in
file/directory names, much less more important things.

If their software had been designed and implemented in a way one would expect 
from a high-class professional commercial company, they would certainly have 
next to zero problems porting it to Linux and gaining additional market (no 
matter how slightly bigger, it's bigger nevertheless, and every buck counts). 
The fact they don't do it shows that they find it hard to maintain their code 
for a Linux platform. And that is a consequence of bad design and/or 
implementation of their software, not lack of market.

See above.

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Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1%

2010-10-09 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010, Les Mikesell wrote:
On 10/8/10 5:55 PM, Warren Young wrote:
...
 Y'all may recall a different example: Word Perfect was also once offered
 on Linux for about a year, then pulled.  OpenOffice wasn't even around
 at the time, so you can't blame competition.  Corel had a near open
 field to play in, and still couldn't make a buck.

Did you ever try that product?  Even free it wouldn't have been a win against 
Word on Windows - which was getting bundled on most new PCs at the time anyway.

Au contraire, In September 1997 when we installed our first Linux system in
a mission-critical position, it was in a law office as a file and print
server for a bunch of Windows machines.  The office manager was bitching
mightily that their productivity dropped by about 50% when they were forced
to use MS-Word instead of WordPerfect.  These were very good legal
secretaries who hated having to reach for a mouse to do anything, and loved
the ``Reveal Codes'' ability in WordPerfect.

I had to laugh one day when I got a phone call where the caller's first
words were ``I want Reveal Codes''.

I do have one Linux system where I'm the resident Linux Geek where the user
is a late '60s psychologist with few computer skills who loves it.  When
her Windows for Workgroups machine needed to be replaced, I offered to
install Linux on a new machine with StarOffice (long before OpenOffice.org
was around), etc.  I told here that we could install Windows on the machine
if she didn't like it.  This was in mid-2001, and she's been happily using
Linux since.  She is very active politically, handling large numbers of
Microsoft Office files through several election cycles without problems.
The main software she uses now are OpenOffice.org, Thunderbird, and Firefox.

On the other hand, when she wanted to do things with digital photos from
here camera, she constantly had problems dealing with file transfers using
a USB flash card reader, mostly properly unmounting and/or finding the
proper data (she has a Psy.D. so is hardly a dummy).  I suggested she get a
Macbook when she needed a laptop, and I get far fewer calls for assistance
on this than on the Linux box, and will probably replace the Linux system
with an iMac when the Linux hardware goes south.

In this case, she comes to me when there's an issue with the Linux system,
and doesn't try to install software, and pretty much leaves things alone on
the desktop.  I rarely get calls for assistance on this system, far fewer
than her Windows-Using friends and associates who are constantly dealing
with malware (a fact that she frequently relishes as she tells them how she
doesn't have these problems with her Linux system :-).

That said, this woman is a friend of my wife's and gets my Geek services
for free.  I have tried to get my wife to use a Linux desktop to no avail,
and had to give her a Mac Mini for her birthday to wean her away from her
Windows system.  I told her this was a present that was as much for me as
for her, and she wouldn't have to listen to me curse every time I had to
deal with her old Windows box (now I only curse when Microsoft Office 2008
for Mac hangs :-).

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Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1%

2010-10-07 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Benjamin Franz wrote:
...
'98. But it's starting to have a visible presence, thanks to Vista.

   mark both hands on the gun, point at foot, fire!

On the other hand, when I've attended events for developers such as a Plone
bootcamp and Python day at the University of Washington, at least 75% of
the laptops were Macbook [Pros].

I have gone from OpenDesktop on SCO in the early '90s to Linux from 1996 or
so to OS X shortly after it came out.  The vast majority of my development
is on Linux servers, but OS X Just Works(tm), and I don't have to be
constantly fiddling to get tools working.

The vast majority of desktop users simply want to do things without having
to worry about it.

We are using some Linux desktops today at clients where their only use is
e-mail, web browsing, and running a database application in a terminal, but
this is the exception rather than the rule.  The clients here not doing
general purpose desktop stuff so don't have to worry about putting the
pieces together to do their jobs.

I would compare this to my experience with cars.  Even though I built and
raced formula cars for 13 years and have had a variety of stree cars
ranging from hot rod Fords in the '50s, a Morgan Plus 4, and an Aston
Martin DB-2 Drop Head Coupe, I drive a Subaru Legacy Wagon because it
always works and goes pretty much anywhere.  While I *CAN* deal with cars
at a very low level (or could before they became controlled by on-board
computer networks), I don't want to for every day use.

Linux on the desktop is great for people who like to get under the hood and
tweak (or who have a tame Linux Geek to do it for them), but not so much
for people who just want to drive it.

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Re: [CentOS] Duplex networkprinter for Linux

2010-10-07 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010, James Szinger wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Boris Epstein borepst...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:39 AM, James Szinger jszin...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Recently at work, I had to set up a new HP, and had a hard time
 finding a Linux PPD, and our sysadmin had no more success.  I
 ended up grabbing the OSX PPD and removing the Mac specific parts.

 What was the new HP you were having trouble setting up at work, if you
 happen to remember?

It's an HP LJ P4515, and it works well now that it is setup.

To find the Linux driver, I went from the printer's web page to the HP
support site to the HPLIP site.  The first time, my browser crashed.
The second time, I didn't see anything obvious to download.  Then I
gave up and hacked the Mac PPD.  Now, in hindsight, I see that
hplip-3.10.6.tar.gz has a suitable PPD.  I found the process much more
difficult than it should be.

I have been very disappointed in HP's support for older hardware
(for some loose definition of older).

After a hard drive crash required reinstalling the HP drivers for
an old ScanJet, the drivers were no longer available from HP.  I
replaced that scanner with a new ScanJet 5590 early in 2009, but
couldn't use it on my new Macbook Pro with Snow Leopard until the
2nd quarter of 2010 as HP didn't have drivers for it until then
(their web site said they would be available in September when I
first started looking in August).

That said, we generally use single-function HP network printers
that support PCL5 and PostScript as these Just Work(tm) without
anything fancy.

My main printer here is an HP 4M Plus with duplex that I bought
new in November 1995.  It just keeps on printing, although I did
spend about $200 last year to have it serviced and new rollers
installed.

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Re: [CentOS] [Slightly OT] Open Source Development + Tools - Book/Resource?

2010-09-27 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010, Tim Nelson wrote:
Greetings all-

My apologies for the slightly OT post. My primary production platform *IS*
CentOS 5.x with a minor scattering of 4.x machines behind firewalls here
and there...

I find that I'm being placed more and more into a 'quasi-developer' role
which strays some from my normal system/network admin duties. Specifically,
having to work with the deep internals of make, autoconf, libtool, cross
platform compilation, non-standard libs, etc. My head spins some days
trying to work through some of these types of issues.

I'm hoping someone knows of a good resource or book that explains the
general 'open source' or '*NIX' method of application development,
compilation, and dependency/library handling. Specifically, how to take
source, and turn it into a ./configure, make, make install type release
and everything that is involved in doing so.

My first recommendation is always Kernighan and Pike's ``Unix
Programming Environment'', ancient but still excellent.

Another is ``GNU Autoconf, Automake, and Libtool'' by Vaughan,
Elliston, Tromey, and Taylor.

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Re: [CentOS] Transferring system to new drive

2010-09-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Is there a document with instructions for this?
I've had smartd warnings that a hard disk in my server is sick,
so I am installing a new drive (in addition to the old).

I was thinking of copying the old root partition with
   sudo cp -a -P /* /mnt/hd
(after mounting the prospective new root partition).
Then I'd have to modify the new /etc/fstab .

Is that a sensible approach?

IHMO, the most sensible approach is to do a fresh install on a
new HD.  After the install is complete, install and mount the old
HD read-only to allow you to copy things over.

I just went through this process about 10 days ago when a fan
went Tango Uniform on our mail e-mail/file server which had been
up 1,390 days before the crash.  The old system had two
partitions, one for ``/'', the other on ``/home'' making it easy
to copy the old ``/home'' to the new one using any of a number of
tools.  I prefer ``cd /oldhome; find . | cpio -pdum /home'' as it
takes care of everything (of course it's important to add the
appropriate users and groups before doing this).

Using ``rsync'' would also work, but given that the initial copy
is not likely to have anything to update, I prefer ``cpio''.

Things get a bit more complicated when the old and new systems
are different distributions as user/group ids may differ.  In my
recent case, the old machine was running SuSE Linux Enterprise 10
while the new one is CentOS 5.current.  This required a bit of
``chown -R username: ~username'' work after the ``/home'' copy to
get things the way CentOS prefers.

In this case transferring user accounts was complicated a bit as
SuSE used different encryption in the ``/etc/shadow'' file so
simply copying the relevant part of the files was not sufficient,
but the passwords had to be reset so CentOS recognized them.

In our case, we didn't have to worry about things that were
installed under /usr/bin as we use the OpenPKG portable package
management system for pretty much everything including vendor
systems like openssh and postfix, and they are installed under
the ``/home'' file system.

Installing non-distribution software under /usr/local with that
either in its own file system or symlinked to a non-root file system
avoids having to sort out what belongs to the distribution, and
what has been added from other sources.  With most open source
software this simply requires using a simple option when building
``./configure --prefix=/usr/local ...''

This was standard practice with open source software long before
Linux came around, and is probably my main gripe with Linux
standards (the other is changing APIs without considering how
the change breaks installed systems).

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[CentOS] irq 58 nobody cared.

2010-09-13 Thread Bill Campbell
I built a new server about 10 days ago running CentOS 5.latest,
and it's been presenting a message shortly after booting:

irq 58: nobody cared (try booting with the irqpoll option)

Call Trace:
 IRQ  [800bb712] __report_bad_irq+0x30/0x7d
 [800bb945] note_interrupt+0x1e6/0x227
 [800bae41] __do_IRQ+0xbd/0x103
 [8006ca11] do_IRQ+0xe7/0xf5
 [800a297e] hrtimer_wakeup+0x1d/0x22
 [8005d615] ret_from_intr+0x0/0xa
 [8001240b] __do_softirq+0x51/0x133
 [8005e2fc] call_softirq+0x1c/0x28
 [8006cb8e] do_softirq+0x2c/0x85
 [8006b346] default_idle+0x0/0x50
 [8005dc8e] apic_timer_interrupt+0x66/0x6c
 EOI  [8006b36f] default_idle+0x29/0x50
 [8004923a] cpu_idle+0x95/0xb8
 [8007796f] start_secondary+0x498/0x4a7

handlers:
[801f74cf] (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x55)
Disabling IRQ #58

Looking at /proc/irq/58, it apepars to be USB related:

/proc/irq/58/ehci_hcd:usb2
/proc/irq/58/smp_affinity
cat /proc/irq/58/smp_affinity

cat /proc/irq/58/smp_affinity
,,,,,,,0002

This is an Asus M4N75TD main board with 4GB non-ECC RAM, and AMD
Phenom(tm) II X4 925 Processor.  It has an ancient ATI Rage PCI
graphics board, booting into init 3 as it's basically headless.

I am definately not a hardware guy (hence the name of my
company:-).  Does anybody have any suggestions as to what may be
causing this?

This machine also powered off spontaneously yesterday evening
after 10 days of uptime (the previous system in this 4U chassis
was running SuSE Linux Enterprise 10, and died of a chipset fan
failure after 1,390 days uptime :-).  All major components are
new, including the power supply.  The only old component other
than the 4U California PC chassis is the original HD with its
partitions mounted read-only to get the original data.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [CentOS] Interpreting logwatch

2010-09-09 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Sep 09, 2010, Natxo Asenjo wrote:
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Bill Campbell cen...@celestial.com wrote:

 I think it's a mistake to discount any attacks involving php as
 the vast majority of the systems I have had to clean up after
 cracks have been compromised through php vulnerabilities, usually
 in conjunction with weak user level passwords.

 IHMO, admin tools like phpMyAdmin, webmin, and usermin should be
 carefully restricted, preferably only accessible via a private
 LAN, not from the public internet.  Use a VPN to access from the
 public internet if necessary.  We don't install usermin in most
 cases as I have seen it used to exploit security bugs on old SuSE
 systems that permit root access.

Last time I checked, webmin and usermin were written in Perl ;-), no php there.

True enough (although very ugly perl without adequate paramter
checkind in come cases :-) should have said different topic.

If you're running a web app with a known vulnerability and it's
available from the internet, then you're in trouble, that's for sure.

Even if it doesn't have known vulnrabilities, running admin
applications that may have root capabilities without guarding
against unauthorized access is a recipe for trouble.

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Re: [CentOS] Interpreting logwatch

2010-09-08 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Sep 08, 2010, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Giles Coochey wrote:

 The likelihood is that someone ran a vulnerability scanner against all
 your available services, logwatch found evidence of that vulnerability
 scan, and you should check whether any other vulnerabilities were scanned
 for and perhaps found...
 
 To do that you should manually check your log files or use a better tool.

Such as ...

While fail2ban and swatch are good tools, apache mod_security is
probably better for dealing with this type of thing as it is
designed to minimize attacks on web services.

I think it's a mistake to discount any attacks involving php as
the vast majority of the systems I have had to clean up after
cracks have been compromised through php vulnerabilities, usually
in conjunction with weak user level passwords.

IHMO, admin tools like phpMyAdmin, webmin, and usermin should be
carefully restricted, preferably only accessible via a private
LAN, not from the public internet.  Use a VPN to access from the
public internet if necessary.  We don't install usermin in most
cases as I have seen it used to exploit security bugs on old SuSE
systems that permit root access.

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Re: [CentOS] Moving users from Debian-based distro to CentOS

2010-08-09 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Aug 09, 2010, Keith Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Gary Greene wrote:

 To: CentOS list centos@centos.org
 From: Gary Greene ggre...@minervanetworks.com
 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Moving users from Debian-based distro to CentOS
 
 On 8/8/10 10:59 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
   On 08/08/10 10:47 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 I have a Debian machine with four users that I plan on migrating to
 CentOS. As per Debian habits the UIDs start with 1000.

 Is it enough to reuse the Debian /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd files
 over? Or will I need to configure some other things? I had considered
 just creating four new users starting from UID 500 then chown -R -ing
 the user's home directories, but I find that invasive and possibly
 error prone (maybe there are files that are not owned by them).

what about using the `find` command, and piggy-back 
the chown command on that?

`pinfo find`


I find that it's fairly easy to migrate users from the old system
to the new by creating rsync modules for each user pointing to
the user's $HOME directory, then using rsync to copy everything
to the user's directory to the new system.

This does not require having the uid/gid the same on the two
systems, only that the user and group names be consistent.  Here
are a couple of sample rsyncd.conf entries for this:

[bill_upd]
uid = bill
gid = csys
read only = false
path = /home/bill
comment = /home/bill
use chroot = yes
# only allow internal network
hosts allow = 192.168.253.0/24
hosts deny = *
list = no

[john_upd]
uid = john
gid = users
read only = false
path = /home/john
comment = /home/john
use chroot = yes
# only allow internal network
hosts allow = 192.168.253.0/24
hosts deny = *
list = no

Then a fairly simple loop on the source machine can copy/sync
each user's data from the old machine to the new one:

#!/bin/bash
for user in bill john; do
rsync -varP ~$user/ dstmachine::${user}_upd/
done

The rsync command takes care of the user/group mappings, and is
very efficient.  One can make an initial run to get the bulk of
each user's files to the new machine, then do a final rsync just
before the cut-over adding ``--delete'' to the rsync command to
get rid of any files deleted from the old machine since the
initial run.

We have used this to migrate ISP mail servers with thousands of
user's $HOME directories containing Maildir mail stores with
minimal down time.  In this case, we created all the user
accounts on the new machine so their $HOME directories existed,
then did the rsync copies after switching the DNS for the mail
servers to point to the new machine.  There was a fairly short
period in which users would see only new mail that arrived until
their Maildir folders had been completely copied.  On a machine
with about 8,000 e-mail users, and gigabytes of data, it took a
bit more than an hour to rsync all the user's accounts.

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Programming Need

2010-08-05 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
Hey guys,

Where is a good place people here have used with luck to find devs
interested in work?

The Seattle Unix Group has a moderated mailing list for members
interested in jobs, contract work, etc.  Send a message to the
list at slug-j...@seaslug.org, preferably plain-text so it
doesn't get caught in people's spam filters.

I am the list moderator, and approve things as soon as I see them.

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Re: [CentOS] OpenLDAP authentication, account expired when it's not.

2010-07-27 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010, Scott Robbins wrote:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 03:44:48PM -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
 I am trying to set up LDAP authentication for CentOS workstations, but
 can't get it to authenticate properly.  Authentication fails saying the
 account has expired when I know for certain that it has not (e.g.
 ldapsearch authenticated with the appropriate uid and password returns
 shadowLastChange 14816 and shadowMax 9).

Well, I'm just going to spam my own page.  Give it a gander, and see if
following it from the get go works.

Note the link to the forum thread in it--it's possible, though not
proven, that CentOS (probably RH) *might* have broken ldap.

http://home.roadrunner.com/~computertaijutsu/ldap.html

All I can say is that it works for me, but--and it's probably an
important but--I haven't set it up from scratch on CentOS 5.5 yet. 

Thanks.  I have to go to a client site this afternoon to do some
fire-stomping, and will take a look at this when I get back.  A
quick scan, and looks like it covers all the bases.

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[CentOS] OpenLDAP authentication, account expired when it's not.

2010-07-26 Thread Bill Campbell
I am trying to set up LDAP authentication for CentOS workstations, but
can't get it to authenticate properly.  Authentication fails saying the
account has expired when I know for certain that it has not (e.g.
ldapsearch authenticated with the appropriate uid and password returns
shadowLastChange 14816 and shadowMax 9).

The last time I did this seriously for authentication was using Apple iMacs
authentication against a SuSE Linux machine so it's entirely possible I'm
not doing the right thing today.  Most of the sites where we're using ldap
and nss are not authentication, but simply going to user's $HOME
directories to deliver e-mail to Maildir stores which doesn't require
authentication.  FWIW, I just checked an old SLES9 system authenticating
against another SuSE system by telnet'ing to its POP3 server and that works
as expected so it's something different in the way SuSE's PAM and CentOS'
works (using MD5 passwords).

I have done a fair amount of google/RTFM as well as reading the pam
documentation on the CentOS client machine, and don't find anything that
helps me figure out is causing it to think the account has expired.

The LDAP attributes that I think are relevant on a test account are below.
I don't see anything here that looks hinky, but then I am fairly ignorant
on PAM authentication.

shadowExpire 0
shadowFlag 0
shadowInactive 0
shadowLastChange 14816
shadowMax 9
shadowMin 0
shadowWarning 7

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Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010, Frank Cox wrote:

On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 15:14 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 Sorry, you lost me here. I turned off all access to the h/d/ramdisk on
 the
 printers, and left it off. This, of course, slows things down a lot,
 but
 it's Secure.

The point is that the security scan is supposed to be verifying that
your setup is, in fact, secure.  If you change your setup before running
the scan, and then change it back immediately afterward, how is that
verifying that your setup is, in fact, secure?  What you scanned != what
you are actually using.

There are fundamental problems with the PCI compliance checking that I've
seen.  I've had them say that sites accept SSLv2 when they explicitly don't
as a real test shows (e.d. use openssl in client mode to attempt to connect
using that protocol).

The one that really frosts me is that the systems we support use a
combination of tcp_wrappers, swatch, and software I've written that
automatically blocks IP addresses which exhibit malicious behaviour,
similar to fail2ban, but using a DNSRBL to automatically block sites have
been identified as attackers.

The PCI testers get blocked because of what appear to be cracking attempts,
then have the gall to say that the site fails because it appears to have
active firewalls.  Well DUH!

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Re: [CentOS] security compliance vs. old software versions

2010-06-29 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010, Brian Mathis wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
 What's the correct response to a security scan that points out that
 apache versions below 2.2.14 have multiple known vulnerabilities?  Is
 there an official document about what known vulnerabilities have been
 fixed in the RHEL/CentOS updates or do you have to wade through the
 changelog to try to find each thing?

 --
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Have them read this:
http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/backporting/?sc_cid=3093

If you're dealing with an auditor, that should be all they need as at
least they can write down that you've made a conscious decision based
on that information.

That's assuming the auditor can read, which seems doubtful
considering what I've found with Securityfocus and similar PCI
testing outfits.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 5.4 off-center on SuperMicro console

2010-04-30 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
On 4/29/10, Richard Karhuse rkarh...@gmail.com wrote:
...
, lemme check and see. could this be the problem? I tried an LCD
monitor, and bypassed the  KVM, but the problem remains.

I generally cheat on things like this, setting the video to plain
VESA and a generic monitor at 1024x768.  We generally run servers
in init 3, and do everything via ssh though this isn't critical
after the initial installation.

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Re: [CentOS] X11 problem with remote login via SSH

2010-04-28 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010, fred smith wrote:
HI all!

Strange problem that began occurring in last few weeks.

Centos 5.4, up to date. I sometimes log in remotely via ssh using ssh -X
and read mail via mutt. Now and then I want to use balsa instead.

Try ``ssh -Y'' instead of ``ssh -X'' and/or put this in your
ssh_config file:

ForwardX11Trusted yes

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Re: [CentOS] (OT) OpenOffice.org calc chart strangeness.

2010-04-06 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010, JohnS wrote:

On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 20:16 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
 
 My problem is that OO/NeoOffice charts don't seem to take the
 first column of data as the X-Axis, but put everything on the
 Y-Axis which doesn't make sense to me.
 
---
Look at the top row and Click on Chart (the icon).  Then chart wizard
will pop up, click number four (4).  Default is set to Y axis.  Also I
have a like a Excel made sheet that only excel will do but the ability
to do it in OO is not there but it still functions the same as exel when
ran in OO.  Odd it is.

I think I finally figured this out after much trial and error.
After selecting multiple columns and cliking on the chart icon,
the trick is to select number 2. Data Range in the left column,
then click on the ``First column as label'' to get it to use the
first column as the X-Axis values.

To me this is not intuitively obvious.

Many thanks to those who contributed to this thread.

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Re: [CentOS] (OT) OpenOffice.org calc chart strangeness.

2010-04-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Apr 03, 2010, Pascal Robert wrote:

Le 2010-04-02 à 20:19, Bill Campbell a écrit :
...
 The Linux tie-in is that I'm getting data from a postgresql database that
 lives on a Linux box, and none of the fancy commercial products seem to be
 able to use it in their data sources.

You should be able to connect to it with a ODBC driver for pgsql, Excel on
both Windows and OS X should be able to talk to it by ODBC.

Connecting OpenOffice.org/NeoOffice to postgresql isn't a problem
using the JDBC drivers (which seems to be the logical choice
given the Java heritage of StarOffice-OpenOffice.org.  I have
been connecting them to postgresql and mysql for year now.

My problem is that OO/NeoOffice charts don't seem to take the
first column of data as the X-Axis, but put everything on the
Y-Axis which doesn't make sense to me.

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[CentOS] (OT) OpenOffice.org calc chart strangeness.

2010-04-02 Thread Bill Campbell
I am attempting to create a simple line chart graphing three columns from a
soffice-calc spreadsheet.  I expect it to take the leftmost column as the
X-Axis, plotting the others on the Y-Axis, but it always creates an X-Axis
of the row number in the columns, and the first column amongst the data.

I have tried this on OpenOffice.org 3.2.0, NeoOffice(R) 3.0.2 Patch 2,
iWork Pages, and Excel 12.2.4 in Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac.

It does what I expect in iWork Pages and M$-Excel, but not in the
various incantations of OpenOffice.org.

I OO-calc has gone to a fancy wizard thingy that doesn't seem to have any
way to specify details for the X-Axis, and I can't find anything useful in
the on-line documentation.

Does anybody know how one gets this to work in OpenOffice.org?

The Linux tie-in is that I'm getting data from a postgresql database that
lives on a Linux box, and none of the fancy commercial products seem to be
able to use it in their data sources.

On the other hand, I have written a python script that extracts the data
from the postgresql database and creates the pretty reports using groff and
gplot totally on Linux which is faster in any case for my current problem.

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Re: [CentOS] APIC error on Intel Atom CPU, CentOS 5.x

2010-03-16 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010, Timo Schoeler wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

thus JohnS spake:
 On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 19:13 -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
 I am seeing ``APIC error on CPU3: 60(60)'' warnings from dmesg
 periodically on a CentOS 5.4 box, kernel 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5.
 The CPU is an Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz.  I am not a
 hardware type, and don't have a clue what this means.
 
 Try noapic on the kernel boot parameter.  Also if that don't work out
 try acpi=off

Hi,

just jumpin' in: I too have an Atom-based machine which runs *rock
solid* with ''noapic'' as parameter, and crashes without.

However, I've got another machine based on exactly the same hardware
(board, CPU, memory, HD, everything) and the same BIOS config -- running
flawlessly without the parameter given.

We have four boxes in small chassis (micro-atx?) with Atom
processors that are having no problems.  These machines are
basically gateway boxes for small businesses and do OpenVPN
tunnels inter-connecting three offices in Texas and one in
Missouri.

The box in question is in a larger chassis that doesn't require a 
low-profile NIC.  It's several months newer than the others so I
don't know if they're the same main board.

 This is occurring while an rsync-3.0.4 process is receiving data
 sent by a machine running rsync-3.0.7 (I just updated the CentOS
 box to rsync-3.0.7 since noticing that it was a bit dated).  This
 is the only significant load on this machine at this time.
 
 Maybe your running out of kernel threads and or APIC can't distribute
 interrupts across the CPU.  Or APIC don't like your motherboard/cpu
 under stress.

My impression was that it was not load (I tortured both machines running
BOINC for a few weeks) but traffic. Thus, I suspect the (on board) NIC
to be a bit... crappy (IIRC it was Realtek)? I've always wanted to test
it with a reasonable NIC.

This shouldn't be on the on-board RealTek NIC, but on the Intel
that's in a regular slot.  On the other hand, when I look at the
dmesg output it appears that it's the RealTek on the public NIC.

FWIW, after I updated this to rsync-3.0.7 yesterday afternoon, I
restarted the rsync using -vP to monitor it, and it has been
transferring without a glitch for 15 hours now.

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[CentOS] APIC error on Intel Atom CPU, CentOS 5.x

2010-03-15 Thread Bill Campbell
I am seeing ``APIC error on CPU3: 60(60)'' warnings from dmesg
periodically on a CentOS 5.4 box, kernel 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5.
The CPU is an Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz.  I am not a
hardware type, and don't have a clue what this means.

This is occurring while an rsync-3.0.4 process is receiving data
sent by a machine running rsync-3.0.7 (I just updated the CentOS
box to rsync-3.0.7 since noticing that it was a bit dated).  This
is the only significant load on this machine at this time.

This machine has locked up requiring a hard reset twice while
this rsync process has been running at night with no problems at
other times.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

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[CentOS] /etc/group file entries

2010-03-08 Thread Bill Campbell
Looking at the documentation of the /etc/group file including
some google searches, it appears to me that, contrary to the man
pages for group, Linux systems generally do not put membership
user names for the user's primary group in the record for it in
the /etc/group file, only for secondary groups.  FreeBSD seems to
do the same thing while SCO OpenServer has full entries for the
primary group as well as secondaries.

Is there a best practice when manipulating these regarding line
length?  I've see articles that recommend splitting long entries
into multiple group lines with the same group id, while at least
some SuSE Linux Enterprise systems produce single long lines
(30,869 characters on a site with about 5,100 accounts).

How would the system's group maintenance routines interact with a
group file where this was done?

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Re: [CentOS] Hylafax does not pick up.

2010-03-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010, James B. Byrne wrote:
We run the distro HylaFax on a CentOS-5.4 host.  On infrequent
occasions we notice that the server will not pick up an incoming
call.  It reports listening to modem rings.

Now, it seems to me that picking up the call should be under the
control of the modem but I notice that there exists a setting in
Hylafax for the number of rings before picking up.  The default
value for this is 0 (zero) but we have it set to 1 (one).  Because
of this option I am not sure whether there is something wrong with
the server or with the modem.

Has anyone else experienced this problem and discovered its cause?

I don't run the CentOS version of HylaFAX, but one I have built
myself, and use its faxgetty to handle incoming fax and data (we
still have some dialup uucp connections :-).  The faxgetty daemon
logs pretty much everything it does so you may find useful info
there if you're using it.

FWIW, I've never been able to figure out any of the other fax getty
programs, and have been using the one with HylaFAX (nee FlexFAX)
for the better part of 20 years going back to SCO Xenix days if I
remember correctly.

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Re: [CentOS] how to find out promiscuous mode

2010-02-03 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010, Vadkan Jozsef wrote:
How can I find out that someone is using it's network card in
promiscuous mode in a subnet?

We use the swatch log watcher, to detect lines like this in
/var/log/messages (this is from a system running VMware virtual
machines in bridging mode so this is normal):

Jan 28 17:35:57 pogo kernel: device eth1 entered promiscuous mode

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[CentOS] iPod Touch/iPhone VPNs with CentOS.

2010-01-24 Thread Bill Campbell
I am looking at options for VPN connections from iPhones and iPod
Touches to CentOS systems.  We use OpenVPN for connections with
Windows, Mac OS X, and other Linux systems, but there don't
appear to be any OpenVPN clients for iPhones (presumably because
there are no tun/tap interfaces available yet).

My experiences getting IPsec running on CentOS systems with OpenVPN
have not been pretty.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] iPod Touch/iPhone VPNs with CentOS.

2010-01-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010, Eric Feldhusen wrote:
I know my iPhone is able to connect to the PPTP VPN running on my  
pfsense firewall. I haven't looked for a PPTP package for Centos, but  
that's one option to try.

Thanks, but I don't like PPTP for a variety of reasons, not the least being
that it's a great example of kindergarten cryptography.  More important
though is that it requires kernel support that's not standard in CentOS,
and I would like to stay away from that if possible.

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Re: [CentOS] unison versus rsync

2010-01-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
I didn't think unison was maintained any more - and I wouldn't expect 
anything to beat rsync with the -z option on a slow link.  I'd just use 
the -P option and restart it when/if it fails.  It wouldn't hurt to do 
subsets first since they will be quickly skipped when you repeat from 
the root.  If you have a huge number of files it might be worth finding 
a way to update rsync to a 3.x version which will not need to xfer the 
entire directory listing before starting.

Looks like rf has 3.0.7, thanks for that tip. Frankly, I abhor the thought
of even using rsync for this, it's over a vpn so there is absolutely no need
for encryption but I don't know another tool that can transfer diffs only?

If you use rsync modules, the transfer can be done without encryption, and
you restrict access to directories and specific IPs and CIDR blocks.

We use this extensively to allow remote clients to update things like DNS
files which go to client-specific directories, and are restricted to the IP
address(es) of the client's system(s).

Another feature of rsync modules that can be useful is that each module can
specify a user and group thus one can rsync user directories between
systems where the user names are the same but uid and gid may differ.

Rsync does not use ssh when doing module transfers so if the data is
sensitive, I do the transfers through OpenVPN tunnels.  This also
eliminates the problems of ssh authentication between trusted systems.

Given the ability of rsync modules to restrict access by IP address, I have
never bothered with additional authentication for this type of transfer.

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Re: [CentOS] unison versus rsync

2010-01-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
Another feature of rsync modules that can be useful is that each module can
specify a user and group thus one can rsync user directories between
systems where the user names are the same but uid and gid may differ.

I have been looking at this all morning. Is there any way to auth with keys
or something unique so I can script this securely? Iiuc, the only auth is done
through these rsync user/pass pairs unless you do it with hosts etc.

Using rsync in daemon mode with modules requires no authentication if you
are comfortable with restricting access to each module by IP address or
CIDR block.  The rsync man page also says:

 Some modules on the remote daemon may require  authentication.
 If  so, you  will receive a password prompt when you connect.
 You can avoid the password prompt by setting the environment
 variable RSYNC_PASSWORD  to the password you want to use or
 using the --password-file option. This may be useful when
 scripting rsync.

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Re: [CentOS] what provices replace command?

2010-01-09 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Jan 09, 2010, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
I am used to using the replace command to quickly replace strings in
file, but it's not available on some of my fresh CentOS 5.4 servers.

yum info replace, yum whatprovides replace, and yum search
replace doesn't show me which package(s) to install to get it. So,
does anyone know which package to install to get the replace
command?

Google doesn't help either since the work replace is too common

The original replace command that I used for years was from the
Kernighan and Pike ``Unix Programming Environment'', and is a
simple shcll script that uses their ``overwrite'' command to
safely edit a file in place.  The command syntax is:

replace old new file [file ...]

MySQL created their own replace command that has different
arguments and calling sequence (not having read KP obviously
which is one of the must-have *nix books :-).  I still use the
original KP version, renamed ``csreplace'' to avoid conflicts
with the mysql version.  I've attached the csreplace and
overwrite scripts which can be put someplace in PATH.

A *MUCH* more flexible tool that can be used for editing in place
is Ralf Engelschall's shtool script available here:

ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/shtool/

 GNU shtool is a compilation of small but very stable and
 portable shell scripts into a single shell tool. All
 ingredients were in successful use over many years in various
 free software projects.  The compiled shtool script is intended
 to be used inside the source tree of those free software
 packages. There it can take over various (usually non-portable)
 tasks related to the building and installation of such
 packages.

The only problem I've found with shtool's subst option is that
giving it a bad ``sed'' command results in zero length file(s) so
it's a good idea to test complex substitutions.

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: replace:  replace str1 in files with str2, in place

# PATH=:/bin:/usr/bin:/csrel25/bin
# . /csrel25/etc/csspath# sets path for local system

case $# in
0|1|2)  echo 'Usage: replace str1 str2 files' 12; exit 1
esac
left=$1; right=$2; shift; shift
for i
do
if [ -s $i ]
then
overwrite $i sed s...@$left@$ri...@g $i
fi
done
: overwrite:copy standard input to output after EOF
: final version
opath=$PATH
case $# in
0|1)echo 'Usage: overwrite file cmd [args]' 12; exit 2
esac
file=$1; shift
new=/tmp/overwr1.$$; old=/tmp/overwr2.$$
: clean up on interrupt
trap 'rm -f $new $old; exit 1' 1 2 15
:   collect input
if PATH=$opath $@ $new
then
cp $file $old
trap '' 1 2 15
cp $new $file
else
echo overwrite: $1 failed, $file unchanged 12
exit 1
fi
rm -f $new $old
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Re: [CentOS] Tiny webserver to run as root

2010-01-03 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Jan 03, 2010, RedShift wrote:
Hi all

Does anyone have a suggestion for some software, a tiny webserver that is
able to run as root and execute CGI scripts? It should be smaller than
apache and preferably even smaller than lighttpd. It doesn't need a whole
lot of features, it only needs to be able to execute CGI scripts.

We use xml-rpc to handle administrative tasks that require root
access, listening on 127.0.0.1 with authorization specific to
particular tasks.  This server is accessible in a very limited
fashion from another xml-rpc server accessible through the normal
apache server allowing restricted access to functions on the
internal server.

Setting up an xml-rpc server in python is very easy, and python
xml-rpc clients are almost as easy to use as standard function
calls.

This allows us to handle specific administrative tasks from web
pages while minimizing the security aspects of doing them through
apache, php, and friends.

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Re: [CentOS] Future of MySQL

2009-12-13 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
I thought I post this link
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/help-saving-mysql.html
in case anyone isn't aware of this yet and wants to email the EC.

Another good reason to use postgresql :-).

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Re: [CentOS] openpkg

2009-12-08 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009, Joseph L. Casale wrote:

   Anyone here using openpkg? Any thoughts about it?

We have been using this since 2001 or so when we moved from
Caldera Linux to SuSE.  We now use it on CentOS, OpenSolaris,
FreeBSD, OS X, and even SCO OpenServer 5.0.6a.

For an old writeup I did on this see this page.

http://www.celestial.com/support/Documentation/openpkg

Using OpenPKG vastly simplifies the job of maintaining server
software without having to depend on the underlying vendor's
packaging, and does so with minimal intrusion on the system.  We
don't have to worry about what versions of apache, postfix, php,
postgresql, mysql, berkeley db, etc. the vendor supplies as we
use the OpenPKG packages in their place.  Typically we get
updates out to large numbers of systems within 24 hours of
updates of things like clamav, samba, far quicker than CentOS or
others make them available.

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Re: [CentOS] Getting EXTERN.h, perl.h, etc

2009-12-03 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009, Charles E Campbell Jr wrote:
Christoph Maser wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, den 03.12.2009, 18:43 +0100 schrieb Charles E Campbell
 Jr:
   
 Hello:

 I have a Fedora Core 11 system at home (Centos 5.2 at work).  I'd like
 to build vim with huge and perl.  This works under Centos, but fails at
 home: no EXTERN.h or perl.h (and, presumably, other things).  So: is
 there a yum package I should be downloading, and if so, which one?
 (both the home computer and the work computer are 64-bit systems)

 Thank you,
 Chip Campbell

 

 The command:
 yum provides */$filename

 will tell you wich packages provide a certain file
   

Thanks -- I'll try it out tonight at home.  However, I note that trying 
it on my Centos machine yields:

$ yum provides '*/EXTERN.h'
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
Error: Caching enabled but no local cache of 
//var/cache/yum/addons/filelists.xml.gz from addons

If I remember correctly, EXTERN.h file is often something that
may be package dependent containing something like:

#undef EXT
#undef INIT
#define EXT extern
#define INIT(x)

Perl distributions generally have an EXTERN.h and perl.h file
that is used during the perl build process.

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Re: [CentOS] Adaptec SCSI Card 2930LP supported by CentOS 5.x?

2009-11-16 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009, Tim Nelson wrote:

I've never been able to get into the BIOS on it. It's almost like the card
doesn't have one. When the system boots, there is not the usual 'addon
card' operation where the card detects drives, displays it on the screen,
then continues to POST. The system simply boots like the card isn't there.
As long as you can boot from another device, the card is happily recognized
and works flawlessly once an OS is running. I've looked into resetting the
configuration on the card, etc... I just think in this case the card may be
a lower end card used for secondary addon storage only without the option
to boot...

Have you tried pressing ctrl-A when the Adaptec display appears
in the boot process?  It's been a while since I looked at the
Adaptec SCSI BIOS settings, but I know there's an setting to
suppress the ctrl-A prompt on booting.  I never changed it, but
always ass*u*me*d that turning this off would still allow one to
enter the BIOS settings without the prompt.

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Re: [CentOS] Long tar -x: Box Shuts Down

2009-11-05 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Nov 05, 2009, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
My Centos 5.2 box shuts itself down during a
long tar -x.  There is plenty of disk available.
This is new; it worked in the past.

Any suggestions?

Look in the logs, particularly dmesg, to see if there are any
hints there.

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Re: [CentOS] Long tar -x: Box Shuts Down

2009-11-05 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Nov 06, 2009, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:51:35 +, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:

 On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:04:50 -0800, Bill Campbell wrote:
 
 On Thu, Nov 05, 2009, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
My Centos 5.2 box shuts itself down during a long tar -x.  There is
plenty of disk available. This is new; it worked in the past.

Any suggestions?
 
 Look in the logs, particularly dmesg, to see if there are any hints
 there.
 
 Bill
 
 Nothing jumps out.
 
 Mike.

I got it working again with a rescue, but it still crashes.
Here are some suspect lines from messages:

Nov  5 19:35:14 mbrc21 kernel: hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady 
SeekComplete Error }
Nov  5 19:35:14 mbrc21 kernel: hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 
{ DriveStatusError }
Nov  5 19:35:14 mbrc21 kernel: ide: failed opcode was: 0xb0
...
Nov  5 19:35:34 mbrc21 kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt :01:00.0[A] - GSI 
16 (level, low) - IRQ 201

What do you think?

That sounds like either a hard drive going south, or perhaps
something in the file system off enough that it's pointing to
something off the disk.

In either case it doesn't sound good.

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Re: [CentOS] E-Mail on SSH login?

2009-11-02 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 02:14:10PM -0800, ML wrote:
 Does anyone have thoughts on how to kick off an e-mail on SSH login?

For security auditing purposes?

You could probably do this by watching /var/log/secure, or even use
something like pam_exec.

We use swatch for this.

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Re: [CentOS] Zimbra help?

2009-11-02 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009, ML wrote:
Hi All,

Is anyone versed in Zimbra? I have most things working except some MTA
issue. I tried posting on the Zimbra forums after reading the docs, but my
post was labeled as SPAM and the moderators have not replied to my private
message to get my post reviewed. Who uses this type of method for getting
help anyway? Aren't the days of Bulletin Board BBS's gone?

Anyway...

I installed ZCS for the first time today. Most things are running except I
cannot send or receive mail. I get MTA errors. I assume that it is not
running. When I send I get unable to connect to MTA.

How do I diagnose the issue?

The ``already in use'' message below probably means that you have
the sendmail or some other MTA already running on the system
which needs to be disabled.

It's been a while since I looked at Zimbra, but I do know it
wants to take over the system, using it's own MTA (Postfix),
OpenLdap, MySQL, and IMAP so these must be disabled.

in /var/log/zimbra.log: 

Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/postfix-script[9282]: warning: not owned by 
root: /opt/zimbra/data/postfix/spool
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/postfix-script[9289]: warning: not owned by 
root: /opt/zimbra/postfix-2.6.5.2z/conf/main.cf
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/postfix-script[9290]: warning: not owned by 
root: /opt/zimbra/postfix-2.6.5.2z/conf/master.cf
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/postfix-script[9291]: warning: not owned by 
root: /opt/zimbra/postfix-2.6.5.2z/conf/master.cf.in
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/postfix-script[9294]: warning: not owned by 
postfix: /opt/zimbra/data/postfix/./spool/maildrop/E18EC1C1048D
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/postfix-script[9295]: warning: not owned by 
postfix: /opt/zimbra/data/postfix/./spool/pid/master.pid
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/postfix-script[9308]: starting the Postfix mail 
system
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie postfix/master[9309]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
Address already in use
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie saslauthd[9316]: detach_tty  : master pid is: 9316
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie saslauthd[9316]: ipc_init: listening on socket: 
/opt/zimbra/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23.3z/state/mux
Nov  2 17:57:28 indie zimbramon[2574]: 2574:info: Starting stats via zmcontrol
Nov  2 17:57:59 indie zmmailboxdmgr[10822]: status requested  
Nov  2 17:57:59 indie zmmailboxdmgr[10822]: status OK
Nov  2 17:57:59 indie zmmailboxdmgr[10894]: status requested  
Nov  2 17:57:59 indie zmmailboxdmgr[10894]: status OK
Nov  3 01:58:00 indie postfix/postqueue[10943]: fatal: Queue report 
unavailable - mail system is down
Nov  2 17:58:09 indie zmmailboxdmgr[11484]: status requested
Nov  2 17:58:09 indie zmmailboxdmgr[11484]: status OK

I have not done anything with Postfix at allU am sure it is the Fatal Bind 
message above, do I need to configure Postfix? I thought Zimbra did that on 
install?

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