Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
John R Pierce wrote: the seed of a algorithm like /dev/urandom is not a single variable, its a big array of variables. these have to be created with sufficiently random external events to achieve a reasonable level of entropy, and if you continue to generate pseudo-random-numbers from this

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
On 01/03/2014 03:28 AM, Jitse Klomp wrote: 2014/1/3 David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org I was unable to find an associated vulnerability in Linux. I trust the OpenSSL folks would be on top of this faster than you can blink an eye if it were a current issue. They have not, from what I've

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 01/03/2014 11:01 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: i was just blew away by this: What almost all commentators have missed is that hidden away in the small print (and subsequently confirmed by our specific query) is that if you want to be FIPS 140-2 compliant you MUST use the compromised points.

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
On 01/03/2014 01:15 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 01/03/2014 11:01 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: i was just blew away by this: What almost all commentators have missed is that hidden away in the small print (and subsequently confirmed by our specific query) is that if you want to be FIPS 140-2

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Ahmed Hassan
One thing you need to understand. There is a huge difference between asymmetric encryption and cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator. EC is secure, the default random number generator on Linux is /dev/urandom. It does not use the backdoored NSA PRNG. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Adrian Sevcenco wrote: i was just blew away by this: What almost all commentators have missed is that hidden away in the small print (and subsequently confirmed by our specific query) is that if you want to be FIPS 140-2 compliant you MUST use the compromised points. I'm a complete innocent

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Luigi Rosa
Ahmed Hassan said the following on 03/01/2014 13:47: There is a huge difference between asymmetric encryption and cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator. EC is secure, the default random number generator on Linux is /dev/urandom. It does not use the backdoored NSA PRNG.

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Luigi Rosa wrote: With headless and/or virtual servers the issue is even bigger because Linux could not be able to collect enough entropy to seed /dev/urandom Is this a meaningful statement? How do you measure the entropy of a seed (which I take to be a string)? And if you can, is it true that

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Luigi Rosa
Timothy Murphy said the following on 03/01/2014 14:20: Is this a meaningful statement? How do you measure the entropy of a seed (which I take to be a string)? And if you can, is it true that you can decrypt a string with low entropy? The mathematic behind a PRNG (or DRNG to use NIST

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Luigi Rosa wrote: Is this a meaningful statement? How do you measure the entropy of a seed (which I take to be a string)? And if you can, is it true that you can decrypt a string with low entropy? You deleted the statement I queried. Here it is With headless and/or virtual servers the issue

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/3/2014 8:37 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I'm asking what you meant by it. Entropy has a standard meaning in computer science, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_entropy for an introductory discussion with various references. -- john r pierce

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/03/2014 03:36 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: IMHO underlying problem is not that a cipher/process/code was compromised but that the supervising _trustworthy_ entity is in fact not trustworthy at all! It will be interesting to see how this

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
John R Pierce wrote: Entropy has a standard meaning in computer science, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_entropy for an introductory discussion with various references. Shannon entropy only makes sense when applied to a random variable. It cannot be applied to a single string, as

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-03 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/3/2014 4:25 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Shannon entropy only makes sense when applied to a random variable. It cannot be applied to a single string, as in this case. the seed of a algorithm like /dev/urandom is not a single variable, its a big array of variables. these have to be created

[CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread Eero Volotinen
Hi, Is there nice way to put back EC encryption on Centos? RHEL disabled it due patent issues, but is third party providing packages to EC enabled packages to centos ? -- Eero ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread Digimer
On 02/01/14 04:16 PM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Hi, Is there nice way to put back EC encryption on Centos? RHEL disabled it due patent issues, but is third party providing packages to EC enabled packages to centos ? It would have to come from an external repo. The goal of CentOS is to be

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread m . roth
Eero Volotinen wrote: Is there nice way to put back EC encryption on Centos? RHEL disabled it due patent issues, but is third party providing packages to EC enabled packages to centos ? *Which* elliptic curve? I trust you've been reading the revelations from Snowdon about the NSA putting a

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread Eero Volotinen
what about update to 6.5 which brings it already back why do you not keep your system up-to-date at all? ECHDE with CentOS 6.5 works fine and is one of the 6.5 features I already noticed it: https://twitter.com/reaperhulk/status/407384786114596864 So only needed thing is recompile ec enabled

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/02/2014 01:22 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Eero Volotinen wrote: Is there nice way to put back EC encryption on Centos? RHEL disabled it due patent issues, but is third party providing packages to EC enabled packages to centos ?

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread Eero Volotinen
- From what I've been able to find, this is a bit overstated. There is *one* random number algorithm (Dual_EC_DRBG) associated with ECC that is believed to have been compromised. That it appeared is compromised: http://blog.0xbadc0de.be/archives/155 vulnerable has long been known; Bruce

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread Jitse Klomp
2014/1/3 David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org I was unable to find an associated vulnerability in Linux. I trust the OpenSSL folks would be on top of this faster than you can blink an eye if it were a current issue. They have not, from what I've seen, reacted to the revelations.

Re: [CentOS] Elliptic curve on Centos 6.x

2014-01-02 Thread Peter
On 01/03/2014 10:16 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote: Hi, Is there nice way to put back EC encryption on Centos? Yes, yum update should do it. RHEL disabled it due patent issues RedHat no longer disables the EC ciphers as of RHEL6.5 Peter ___ CentOS