Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-02-04 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
Well just a note that sometimes CPU and other parts overload can cause a similar effect while newer software might offer better stability based on some sensors in the MB. All The Bests, Eliezer On 11/25/2013 07:45 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: CentOS 6.4 died on me again. Didn't leave any

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-24 Thread John Hinton
On 1/23/2014 6:41 PM, Peter wrote: On 01/24/2014 03:47 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Peter wrote: it has four molex four pin connectors any one of which should be suitable for your CD drive, and one floppy connector which should work for your floppy drive just fine. I

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-23 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
Well a RX3xx is a very good one. Hope you will have luck with it! If you have questions feel free to post them! CD and floppy are old and indeed needed in many cases but I have machines which doesn't have these at all in to the favor of USB :\ Eliezer On 22/01/14 20:15, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-23 Thread Peter
On 01/23/2014 07:15 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: That said, it has fewer connectors. I had to leave off my CD and floppy drives. I have yet to see a power supply that doesn't have connectors for these, but you can get adapters and/or splitters for that if need be. Peter

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-23 Thread Peter
On 01/23/2014 10:59 PM, Peter wrote: On 01/23/2014 07:15 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: That said, it has fewer connectors. I had to leave off my CD and floppy drives. I have yet to see a power supply that doesn't have connectors for these, but you can get adapters and/or splitters for that if

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-23 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Peter wrote: On 01/23/2014 10:59 PM, Peter wrote: On 01/23/2014 07:15 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: That said, it has fewer connectors. I had to leave off my CD and floppy drives. I have yet to see a power supply that doesn't have connectors for these, I just had trouble

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-23 Thread Peter
On 01/24/2014 03:47 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Peter wrote: it has four molex four pin connectors any one of which should be suitable for your CD drive, and one floppy connector which should work for your floppy drive just fine. I needed the floppy connector for my

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-22 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: What PSU is it the new one? The new one is still installed. Installing it was mechanically difficult. I won't put the other one back without cause. Cause would be expecting it to work. The new one is a PSU RAIDMAX | RX-380K 380W RT. All all voltages

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-22 Thread Darr247
I thought it had already been determined this was not CentOS related? http://www.diy-computer-repair.com/ http://www.thepcmanwebsite.com/computer_repair.shtml et al Or, answer a couple questions per month in your area of expertise and earn free membership to ask questions in other topic areas:

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-21 Thread Michael Hennebry
'Twasn't the PSU. I replaced it and got the same symptoms. Pardon me. I need to go kill something. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-21 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: 'Twasn't the PSU. I replaced it and got the same symptoms. I still have a beige box here... Pardon me. I need to go kill something. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu SCSI is NOT magic.

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-21 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 22/01/14 03:00, Michael Hennebry wrote: 'Twasn't the PSU. I replaced it and got the same symptoms. Pardon me. I need to go kill something. Hey Michael, Don't run to kill something.. it will not help but it will... There are issues related to hardware which not everyone has the tools to

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
Preparatory to removing the PSU, I've been disconnecting it. Those Molex things are tough. So far, the hardest one I've removed is the 20-pin connector from the MB. It took me days. The 4-pin connector on the MB is proving to be harder. The receptacle seems to be more firmly attached to the plug

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-15 Thread m . roth
Michael Hennebry wrote: Preparatory to removing the PSU, I've been disconnecting it. Those Molex things are tough. So far, the hardest one I've removed is the 20-pin connector from the MB. It took me days. The 4-pin connector on the MB is proving to be harder. The receptacle seems to be more

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-15 Thread John R Pierce
On 1/15/2014 1:43 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Preparatory to removing the PSU, I've been disconnecting it. Those Molex things are tough. So far, the hardest one I've removed is the 20-pin connector from the MB. It took me days. The 4-pin connector on the MB is proving to be harder. The

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-15 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
On 16/01/14 00:26, John R Pierce wrote: there's a tab you depress, then those connectors should come out with just a few pounds of force. Unless it was overheated or the human do not have enough force in his hand or tools to pull it out. Eliezer ___

Re: [CentOS] died again

2014-01-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, John R Pierce wrote: On 1/15/2014 1:43 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Preparatory to removing the PSU, I've been disconnecting it. Those Molex things are tough. So far, the hardest one I've removed is the 20-pin connector from the MB. It took me days. The 4-pin connector

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-17 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Karanbir Singh wrote: I wonder if its time to start considering a social list again; very little of the conversation in this thread is really CentOS specific now. On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Michael Hennebry wrote: I noticed the the grub stanza for my F14 contains the line

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-17 Thread SilverTip257
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Karanbir Singh wrote: I wonder if its time to start considering a social list again; very little of the conversation in this thread is really CentOS specific now. +1 Maybe ... :)

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 15 Dec 2013, Darr247 wrote: I see 2 components in ps4.jpg that look like they've ruptured. One in the mid/foreground with the yellow hot glue on it (the shorter The one with the visible VENT and 105 printing? one, between the inductor and the caps), and one hiding under the harness

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: me, if I had any reason to suspect a power supply, I would just get a new one, basic PC power supplies in reasonable wattage ratings are quite cheap. examples: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152032

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Warren Young
On 12/13/2013 16:35, Michael Hennebry wrote: I note the absence of PAE for CentOS. I've read that PAE can be important. Only if you're trying to address more than 4 GB of RAM on a 32-bit system. Even then, most software doesn't take advantage of it. PAE is an old hack Intel invented in the

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Warren Young
On 12/15/2013 16:21, Michael Hennebry wrote: the yellow stuff looks suspicious. It's a kind of strain relief. Without that flexible glue, dropping the computer could snap those caps off at their base. Since this is the sort of thing that occasionally happens to computers in shipping,

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Warren Young war...@etr-usa.com wrote: On 12/13/2013 16:35, Michael Hennebry wrote: I note the absence of PAE for CentOS. I've read that PAE can be important. Only if you're trying to address more than 4 GB of RAM on a 32-bit system. Even then, most

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Warren Young
On 12/15/2013 16:49, Michael Hennebry wrote: Looks like I'll need to see whether I still have my multimeter. That's not likely to tell you much. About the only thing I'd trust a typical DMM to tell me about a PSU is whether its rails are within voltage spec. You must do that test under

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Warren Young
On 12/16/2013 09:53, Michael Hennebry wrote: The one with the visible VENT and 105 printing? Vent just calls out that there is a vent on the top of the cap, which it obvious without the label. It's the scoring in the metal, which allows the top of the cap to break open in a controlled way if

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/16/2013 8:56 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: From this, I infer that 20-pin ATX's are sufficiently standardized that I do not need to be model- or brand-specific. well, ATX 1.x stuff had more 5V and less 12V, while ATX 2.x boosts the 12V output capacity and has less 5V... I'm pretty sure

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/16/2013 10:03 AM, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/16/2013 8:56 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: From this, I infer that 20-pin ATX's are sufficiently standardized that I do not need to be model- or brand-specific. well, ATX 1.x stuff had more 5V and less 12V, while ATX 2.x boosts the 12V output

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread david
At 10:27 AM 12/16/2013, you wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:03 AM, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/16/2013 8:56 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: From this, I infer that 20-pin ATX's are sufficiently standardized that I do not need to be model- or brand-specific. well, ATX 1.x stuff had more 5V and less 12V,

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Darr247
On 16 December 2013 @16:53 zulu, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sun, 15 Dec 2013, Darr247 wrote: I see 2 components in ps4.jpg that look like they've ruptured. One in the mid/foreground with the yellow hot glue on it (the shorter The one with the visible VENT and 105 printing? No. The short one

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:03 AM, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/16/2013 8:56 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: From this, I infer that 20-pin ATX's are sufficiently standardized that I do not need to be model- or brand-specific. well, ATX 1.x stuff had more 5V and less

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-16 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 12/16/2013 08:28 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: btw, here's the technical product manual for your mainboard http://downloadmirror.intel.com/15207/eng/D865GBF_D865GLC_ProductGuide02_English.pdf That is where I got the 20-pin ATX stuff. It just occured to me that I might want geometric as

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, Peter wrote: On 12/14/2013 12:38 PM, Warren Young wrote: On 12/13/2013 16:20, Michael Hennebry wrote: Any ideas on how to proceed? There may be a final screw under one of the stickers. Yes, it looks to me like there should be a screw under the QC Pass sticker, right

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-15 Thread Peter
On 12/16/2013 12:21 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, Peter wrote: On 12/14/2013 12:38 PM, Warren Young wrote: On 12/13/2013 16:20, Michael Hennebry wrote: Any ideas on how to proceed? There may be a final screw under one of the stickers. Yes, it looks to me like there

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Peter wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:21 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I took more pictures and added web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~hennebry/computer/ps[45].jpg to my website. #4 gives permission denied. Fixed now. Don't know why it was the only one without read permission. Copied

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-15 Thread Peter
On 12/16/2013 12:49 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Looks like I'll need to see whether I still have my multimeter. Not sure what you're planning to find on your multimeter, bad caps are hard to detect. The only real way I know of to properly test if a problem is originating from a PSU is to swap

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-15 Thread Darr247
I see 2 components in ps4.jpg that look like they've ruptured. One in the mid/foreground with the yellow hot glue on it (the shorter one, between the inductor and the caps), and one hiding under the harness that exits the supply... to the upper-right of the green cap, near the PS housing.

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-14 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/13/2013 7:21 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Rather than rip the PSU open (and hope you don't get zapped good by a charged capacitor...) just hook a power supply tester to it. Or look online for instructions on testing it with a multimeter (more tedious than the PSU tester). I'll look, not

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
I've tried to open the power supply to look for capacitor guts and such. I've unscrewed it from the case and removed the screws that seemed sufficient for separation. The stumbling block seems to be under the QC PASS sticker near the rainbow of wires coming out. I've gotten the edge of a box

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
I noticed the the grub stanza for my F14 contains the line kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.35.14-106.fc14.i686.PAE ... For CentOS, I have kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-358.23.2.el6.i686 ... I note the absence of PAE for CentOS. I've read that PAE can be important. Could it be the reason that an F14 boot lasts

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-13 Thread Warren Young
On 12/13/2013 16:20, Michael Hennebry wrote: Any ideas on how to proceed? There may be a final screw under one of the stickers. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-13 Thread Peter
On 12/14/2013 12:38 PM, Warren Young wrote: On 12/13/2013 16:20, Michael Hennebry wrote: Any ideas on how to proceed? There may be a final screw under one of the stickers. Yes, it looks to me like there should be a screw under the QC Pass sticker, right under the round circle. Peter

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013, Peter wrote: On 12/14/2013 12:38 PM, Warren Young wrote: On 12/13/2013 16:20, Michael Hennebry wrote: Any ideas on how to proceed? There may be a final screw under one of the stickers. Yes, it looks to me like there should be a screw under the QC Pass sticker, right

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-13 Thread SilverTip257
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: I've tried to open the power supply to look for capacitor guts and such. If there was a problem with the PSU, you would experience it in your F14 install you spoke of. I've unscrewed it from the case

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, SilverTip257 wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: I've tried to open the power supply to look for capacitor guts and such. If there was a problem with the PSU, you would experience it in your F14 install you

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-08 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: geez, its a 10 year old pentium-4, and not even a late p4, a middle aged 32bit-only one put it out of its misery, its been living on borrowed time for the last 5 years. You mean since it was two? Even when I have income, I get annoyed about

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-08 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: Even when I have income, I get annoyed about little mysteries that make things just not work. I do not have any income, so I also get annoyed at these little expenses that pop up occasionaly. Apparently

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-08 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 7 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: geez, its a 10 year old pentium-4, and not even a late p4, a middle aged 32bit-only one put it out of its misery, its been living on borrowed time for the last 5 years. You mean since it was two?

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-08 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/8/2013 8:27 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 7 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: geez, its a 10 year old pentium-4, and not even a late p4, a middle aged 32bit-only one put it out of its misery, its been living on borrowed time for the last 5 years. You mean since it was two? i

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-08 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/8/2013 8:27 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 7 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: geez, its a 10 year old pentium-4, and not even a late p4, a middle aged 32bit-only one put it out of its misery, its been living on borrowed time for the

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-08 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 12/08/2013 03:31 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: You mean it was rotting just sitting on a shelf? Perhaps surprisingly, systems of that age *can* fairly literally rot. There were a number of Taiwanese electrolytic capacitor manufacturers that borrowed a partial recipe from a Japanese company:

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-07 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/6/2013 11:09 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I noticed the TPM 1.2 . Am I going have to start dealing with the trusted computing crap when I get another computer? TPM is totally optional to use. it can be used so your system can establish a chain of trust with a server or network or

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-07 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/6/2013 11:47 PM, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: The TPM can be an issue but once you install the OS(LINUX) on DISK(maybe on another machine) it should fly by default. What is the meaning of Trusted by HP\COMPAQ? I do not know yet. From what I understand a Refurbished means Used and was used

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-07 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/6/2013 7:02 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: If I remove the right screws, I think that moving it farther into the case would allow it to be removed. For that, I'd want it on its side so that it didn't fall on something. nearly all PC power supplies are standard ATX/EPS format. remove side

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-07 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 00:58 -0500, Darr247 wrote: On 07 December 2013 @02:57 zulu, Michael Hennebry wrote: The CPU heat sink is under the fan pointing down towards the motherboard. You lift those 2 levers to release it, and there's likely another lever under it all locking the CPU into

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-07 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/7/2013 3:01 AM, Louis Lagendijk wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 00:58 -0500, Darr247 wrote: On 07 December 2013 @02:57 zulu, Michael Hennebry wrote: The CPU heat sink is under the fan pointing down towards the motherboard. You lift those 2 levers to release it, and there's likely

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-07 Thread Benjamin Franz
On 12/06/2013 06:57 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I suspect the pincushiony thing between the video card and the big black Intel fan of being the heat sink for the CPU, but I do not know. That case looks very dusty and 60C for an Intel CPU tells us that it is most likely overheating. The big

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
I've got a side of the case off. All the fans that are there are turning. There is a place for a front fan, but no fan there. Unless someone stole a fan, that is not new. The plastic front of the case would have pretty much blocked it. No obvious leakage from anything. The power supply is a sealed

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Warren Young
On 12/6/2013 16:34, Michael Hennebry wrote: There is a place for a front fan, but no fan there. It's common for cheap PC cases to have places for fans that the final PC manufacturer chooses not to populate. If you decide to put a fan there, be sure to orient it so it blows in line with the

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/6/2013 4:39 PM, Warren Young wrote: On 12/6/2013 16:34, Michael Hennebry wrote: There is a place for a front fan, but no fan there. It's common for cheap PC cases to have places for fans that the final PC manufacturer chooses not to populate. its pretty common on high end cases too. the

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Warren Young
On 12/6/2013 18:00, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/6/2013 4:39 PM, Warren Young wrote: On 12/6/2013 16:34, Michael Hennebry wrote: There is a place for a front fan, but no fan there. It's common for cheap PC cases to have places for fans that the final PC manufacturer chooses not to populate.

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
I'd thought I'd sent this already. Apparently the last crap out was before I'd hit send. BTW the last few crap outs have been followed with processor area temps up to 60 C. I suspect that my jpg's are too big to go through as attachments, so I've put them on my web site:

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Warren Young wrote: On 12/6/2013 16:34, Michael Hennebry wrote: The power supply is a sealed unit, I think you'll find that once you unscrew it from the case, you'll expose another set of screws that will let you remove the power supply's lid. The odd hole in the back

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Darr247
On 07 December 2013 @02:57 zulu, Michael Hennebry wrote: I do not remember which is the IDE and which is the new SATA. The SATA drive has the thin red cable connecting it to the motherboard. I suspect the pincushiony thing between the video card and the big black Intel fan of being the heat

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
What Refurbished means? The hardware by itself looks nice but it might be a noisy machine. HP support only windows Vista for this machine and I do not know what bios and CHIPS it was built upon yet. If it has the parts that this review claims:

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: What Refurbished means? newegg: Refurbished products have been tested to ensure compliance with original manufacturer specifications, and MAY include a limited manufacturer warranty - see the item's product page for details. The hardware by itself

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-06 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
Hey Michael, The TPM can be an issue but once you install the OS(LINUX) on DISK(maybe on another machine) it should fly by default. What is the meaning of Trusted by HP\COMPAQ? I do not know yet. From what I understand a Refurbished means Used and was used in a company\office the last time

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/4/2013 7:50 PM, Warren Young wrote: You questioned someone else's DMM in another post, actually, the other post didn't say how he measured the voltage, I was assuming via the motherboard monitoring circuits ('lmsensors' or whatever), which are

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Warren Young wrote: On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Warren Young wrote: At $11 for a couple of tiny bottles, both of which you have to use together, it's another 2-3x more expensive than tape head

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: He has a 3.2 Ghz CPU which is much more then this 3800 but the only thing that the 3800+ is good is that it has 2 cores but still same low share ram ( I had one of these in the past). I'm considering the beast listed here, especially if my current

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On the other, if it's something else, my diagnostic skills are clearly not up to the task. Sounds like a job for DTrace http://books.google.com.ar/books?id=jseJ56fUjJgCprintsec=frontcover DTrace Tutorial

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: But in general, I always suspect power supplies first for mysterious crashes. +1 power supplies with bad caps. Two weeks ago I had one 2007 Antec EPS12V PS fail on me. Upon inspection, bad caps.. (2 of them)

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On the other, if it's something else, my diagnostic skills are clearly not up to the task. Sounds like a job for DTrace Looks interesting and useful, but I

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: He has a 3.2 Ghz CPU which is much more then this 3800 but the only thing that the 3800+ is good is that it has 2 cores but still same low share ram ( I had one of these in the past). I'm considering the

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: He has a 3.2 Ghz CPU which is much more then this 3800 but the only thing that the 3800+ is good is that it has 2 cores but still same low share ram ( I had one of these in the past).

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-05 Thread Darr247
On 2013-12-05 2:51 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I wasn't planning to look for 99.9% pure isopropyl alcohol. I buy 99% isopropyl at Meijer Thrifty Acres (grocery store chain here in the midwest). http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e273/Darr247/Electronics/198-ProofIsopropyl.jpg I think that

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Steve Clark
Also did you check the Health Status in the BIOS, was the temperature in spec with what the chip spec is. You can run cpuburn (program) and see if running the processor full out causes it to shutdown. On 11/28/2013 02:17 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 28 Nov 2013, Eliezer Croitoru wrote:

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Steve Clark wrote: Also did you check the Health Status in the BIOS, was the temperature in spec with what the chip spec is. You can run cpuburn (program) and see if running the processor full out causes it to shutdown. Once upon a time, the CPU area temperature was 80 C,

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/4/2013 9:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Once upon a time, the CPU area temperature was 80 C, which got a BING! BING! BING! from m.roth. Also, the last time checked I noticed that 5v was 5.263, more than 3% error. I'd only believe that if you double checked it with a known accurate

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/4/2013 9:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Once upon a time, the CPU area temperature was 80 C, which got a BING! BING! BING! from m.roth. Also, the last time checked I noticed that 5v was 5.263, more than 3% error. I'd only believe that if you

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread m . roth
Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/4/2013 9:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Once upon a time, the CPU area temperature was 80 C, which got a BING! BING! BING! from m.roth. Also, the last time checked I noticed that 5v was 5.263, more than 3% error. I'd

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Warren Young
On 12/3/2013 22:09, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Patrick Lists wrote: They mention high-purity isopropyl alcohol. The highest purity I've ever seen is 70%. The vast majority of the impurity in commercial grade alcohol is water. Capillary action sucks the fluid into all kinds

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/4/2013 10:22 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/4/2013 9:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Once upon a time, the CPU area temperature was 80 C, which got a BING! BING! BING! from m.roth. Also, the last time checked I noticed that 5v was 5.263,

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Peter
On 12/05/2013 06:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: My plan involved a wire-wrap wire bracelet and a megohm resistor. Connecting the other end to a bare metal part of the case is sufficient? I don't need an actual ground? No you need an actual ground. If the case is left plugged in this would be

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/4/2013 11:25 AM, Peter wrote: On 12/05/2013 06:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: My plan involved a wire-wrap wire bracelet and a megohm resistor. Connecting the other end to a bare metal part of the case is sufficient? I don't need an actual ground? No you need an actual ground. If the

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Warren Young wrote: On 12/3/2013 22:09, Michael Hennebry wrote: They mention high-purity isopropyl alcohol. The highest purity I've ever seen is 70%. Bottom line: 70% is too impure for this task. I hesitate to use even 90% for this. The last time I used 90% isopropyl

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, John R Pierce wrote: On 12/4/2013 11:25 AM, Peter wrote: On 12/05/2013 06:42 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: My plan involved a wire-wrap wire bracelet and a megohm resistor. Connecting the other end to a bare metal part of the case is sufficient? I don't need an actual

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/4/2013 10:44 AM, Warren Young wrote: Bottom line: 70% is too impure for this task. Huh?!? I've cleaned numerous CPU-heatsink surfaces with 70% isopropyl, never had any problem heck, I clean optical lenses with it, in the form of those eyeglass wipes you buy by the crate at Costco.

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
Hey there, He has a 3.2 Ghz CPU which is much more then this 3800 but the only thing that the 3800+ is good is that it has 2 cores but still same low share ram ( I had one of these in the past). Eliezer On 28/11/13 12:29, John R Pierce wrote: On 11/26/2013 3:58 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:49 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 12/4/2013 10:44 AM, Warren Young wrote: Bottom line: 70% is too impure for this task. Huh?!? I've cleaned numerous CPU-heatsink surfaces with 70% isopropyl, never had any problem…. I'm not saying it's impossible. An

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/4/2013 7:50 PM, Warren Young wrote: You questioned someone else's DMM in another post, actually, the other post didn't say how he measured the voltage, I was assuming via the motherboard monitoring circuits ('lmsensors' or whatever), which are notoriously inaccurate ... -- john r

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Warren Young
On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Warren Young wrote: At $11 for a couple of tiny bottles, both of which you have to use together, it's another 2-3x more expensive than tape head cleaner. For me, the bottom line is how

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread Darr247
My money's still on bulging and 50% or so under (if not ruptured and 99% below) capacitance electrolytics. If not on the motherboard itself, then in the power supply. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-04 Thread John R Pierce
On 12/4/2013 8:00 PM, Warren Young wrote: As my measurement data in the post I just sent hints, there are serious practical problems -- aside from the direct economic ones -- that restrict the utility of such high-purity alcohols. There's probably no point using it outside a cleanroom.

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-03 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: One thing I've never done, or thought of until now, was whether the thermal grease between the CPU and the heat sink had dried out. If it's running hot, that's a possibility, so

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-03 Thread m . roth
Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: One thing I've never done, or thought of until now, was whether the thermal grease between the CPU and the heat sink had dried out. If it's running hot,

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-03 Thread Patrick Lists
On 12/03/2013 10:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I found my fans and am about to get some thermal Make sure you make a note in which direction all the fans in the PC are blowing. Usually there is an arrow on them which tells you which way they blow but you can also feel it by holding your hand in

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-03 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:25:37 +0100 Patrick Lists wrote: If you want to do it the fancy way get a can of compressed air and blow the dust straight out. Bad plan. Canned air generally blows dust into areas that you don't want it. I use canned air to blow dust off of things like monitor

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-03 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:16 -0600, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: One thing I've never done, or thought of until now, was whether the thermal grease between the CPU and the heat

Re: [CentOS] died again

2013-12-03 Thread SilverTip257
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Louis Lagendijk lo...@fazant.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 15:16 -0600, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Michael Hennebry wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: One thing I've never done, or

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