Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 speculation ???

[Alice Wonder]

Never been a fan of static linking. Exploit in a library and you have to 
rebuild everything that links against it.


That's one of the problems in the android world. Some library is found 
to be vulnerable, it gets fixed, but a lot of apps on the play store 
remain vulnerable simply because the vendor never submitted a rebuild.


That's also my beef with php composer, a lot of webapps lock the version 
of the library they use and composer happily grabs the crusty old 
version with its flaws.


But anyway, not suggesting a whole new OS just because of gcc and boost. 
It's a trend I've been seeing where recently, more and more apps refuse 
to build become one or more of the build dependencies is too old.


There's always a solution, but its nice when things just work.

On 02/25/2017 10:31 AM, Yan Li wrote:

We use GCC 6 from SoftwareCollection 6 and build our own Boost libraries with 
static linking. The result binaries work on all C7 instances just fine without 
the need to install any extra packages. The binary size isn't bloated too much 
by statically linking Boost, because many Boost functions are header templates 
anyway (but your mileage may vary).

Not sure if you have other dependencies but we never feel the need to upgrade 
the whole OS just to get a newer GCC and Boost.

Yan


On Feb 25, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:


On 02/25/2017 02:20 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
Is there any blog that has information on a potential RHEL 8 release date?

boost in 7 is now too old for some things, in addition to gcc. There are
solutions in 7 to those issues but it's starting to feel like 6 felt
shortly before 7 came out, so I wonder if it is getting near to time.

I'm working on a major project bitcoin related and it would be
frustrating to deploy a bunch of CentOS 7 virtual machines only to have
8 come out fairly soon afterwards.


I have no real information on this either .. but one thing to think
about is that RHEL-7 is much less conservative with 'rebases' than the
older RHEL versions.  (Case in point, major shifts in Gnome, KDE, Xorg,
etc.)

With containers and software collections, and with more aggressive
rebases in the Desktop space, I see the timelines becoming a little
longer between major versions.

Also, as others have said, I see no alpha or beta for RHEL-8 anywhere.
RHEL-5 does go EOL at the end of March 2017, so I guess a beta could
happen soon(ish).


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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 speculation ???

[Yan Li]

We use GCC 6 from SoftwareCollection 6 and build our own Boost libraries with 
static linking. The result binaries work on all C7 instances just fine without 
the need to install any extra packages. The binary size isn't bloated too much 
by statically linking Boost, because many Boost functions are header templates 
anyway (but your mileage may vary). 

Not sure if you have other dependencies but we never feel the need to upgrade 
the whole OS just to get a newer GCC and Boost. 

Yan

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
> 
>> On 02/25/2017 02:20 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
>> Is there any blog that has information on a potential RHEL 8 release date?
>> 
>> boost in 7 is now too old for some things, in addition to gcc. There are
>> solutions in 7 to those issues but it's starting to feel like 6 felt
>> shortly before 7 came out, so I wonder if it is getting near to time.
>> 
>> I'm working on a major project bitcoin related and it would be
>> frustrating to deploy a bunch of CentOS 7 virtual machines only to have
>> 8 come out fairly soon afterwards.
> 
> I have no real information on this either .. but one thing to think
> about is that RHEL-7 is much less conservative with 'rebases' than the
> older RHEL versions.  (Case in point, major shifts in Gnome, KDE, Xorg,
> etc.)
> 
> With containers and software collections, and with more aggressive
> rebases in the Desktop space, I see the timelines becoming a little
> longer between major versions.
> 
> Also, as others have said, I see no alpha or beta for RHEL-8 anywhere.
> RHEL-5 does go EOL at the end of March 2017, so I guess a beta could
> happen soon(ish).
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 speculation ???

[Johnny Hughes]

On 02/25/2017 02:20 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
> Is there any blog that has information on a potential RHEL 8 release date?
> 
> boost in 7 is now too old for some things, in addition to gcc. There are
> solutions in 7 to those issues but it's starting to feel like 6 felt
> shortly before 7 came out, so I wonder if it is getting near to time.
> 
> I'm working on a major project bitcoin related and it would be
> frustrating to deploy a bunch of CentOS 7 virtual machines only to have
> 8 come out fairly soon afterwards.

I have no real information on this either .. but one thing to think
about is that RHEL-7 is much less conservative with 'rebases' than the
older RHEL versions.  (Case in point, major shifts in Gnome, KDE, Xorg,
etc.)

With containers and software collections, and with more aggressive
rebases in the Desktop space, I see the timelines becoming a little
longer between major versions.

Also, as others have said, I see no alpha or beta for RHEL-8 anywhere.
RHEL-5 does go EOL at the end of March 2017, so I guess a beta could
happen soon(ish).




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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 speculation ???

[Gordon Messmer]

On 02/25/2017 12:20 AM, Alice Wonder wrote:
I'm working on a major project bitcoin related and it would be 
frustrating to deploy a bunch of CentOS 7 virtual machines only to 
have 8 come out fairly soon afterwards. 



I'd expect the release of RHEL 8 no less than 6 months after a beta was 
released, and I haven't heard anything about a new beta release.  It's 
probably not going to happen real soon.


Having said that, I didn't realize until how close RHEL 7 is getting to 
the three-year mark.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a beta 6-12 months 
from now, and a new release in 12-18 months.



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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 8 speculation ???

[Jos Vos]

Hi,

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 12:20:22AM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote:

> boost in 7 is now too old for some things, in addition to gcc. There are 
> solutions in 7 to those issues but it's starting to feel like 6 felt 
> shortly before 7 came out, so I wonder if it is getting near to time.
> 
> I'm working on a major project bitcoin related and it would be 
> frustrating to deploy a bunch of CentOS 7 virtual machines only to have 
> 8 come out fairly soon afterwards.

Take a look at

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/d35cef040ea408360c44950a23d813ed.png

Given that, don't count on a release real soon.  Furthermore, a RHEL
release normally has a public beta period of at least 6 months or so.
So, even if a public RHEL 8 beta would be released now (which is
very unlikelely), CentOS 8 would not become available in 2017.

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