Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[David R. Block]

Title: ORourke54.htm




This was quite civil compared to some
of the things I've seen from the detractors of George Bush in his 8
years. Teddy has a lot more years, hence more material to work with.  :-) 

David












"There
is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and
there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself
as
"caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the
government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to
try to
do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who
takes pride
in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his
own money
-- if a gun is held to his head."--P.
J. O'Rourke




Jordan Dea-Mattson wrote:
Hi Billy -
  
  
  I don't have time to go over this line by line, but in my quick
scan something jumped out to me:
  
  
  
  Kennedy
voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000 American soldiers
and wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against making English our
national language which ensures further Balkanization of our nation via
linguistic chaos. When a nation cannot speak to itself, it becomes
fractured and separated.
  
  
  Kennedy voted against the Iraq war. In fact he got a lot of
flack for it. If this is the level of fact checking this person is
doing, then I have to throw this piece in the circular file. 
  
  
  It appears that this person has a major ax to grind with Kennedy
and was prepared to blame Kennedy for every ill in society in his
diatribe.
  
  
  The Immigration Reform of 1965 was a long overdue and needed
piece of reform. My wife, and many of your relatives based on your
self-reports on their country of origin, would not be here. The
pre-1965 immigration laws were racist to their core (can you say,
"Exclusion Acts"). Anyone who attacks someone or the Immigration Reform
of 1965 with the language this individual used is a nutter in my
opinion.
  
  
  In addition, the lack of civil language in this diatribe
completely turned me off.
  
  
  Jordan
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, 
wrote:
  


This was written in 2008,
apparently, but is worth reprinting to honor the
memory of Edward Kennedy upon
his death.
 
We can --and should-- add more
conventional tributes, He did a number
of things, supported a number
of laws, that have served American well,
including welfare reform and educational reform. But this
item--sent to me
by a friend--  deserves some attention a this time against a
background
of round-the-clock TV adulation.
 
How about some necessary balance ?
 
Billy R
 

 
 
Ted
Kennedy's Deadly Legacy For America
By Frosty Wooldridge
  
  
 8-27-9
  
  
http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm
  
  
 
  
  


  

  
  
Teddy
Kennedy died yesterday, but his legacy grows more deadly for future
Americans.  
 

 


  Instead of a rich legacy bequeathed
upon the United States by forever U.S. Senator Teddy Kennedy, the
oft-intoxicated, blubbery fourth brother of the Kennedy clan-four
decades ago--drunkenly drove over a bridge that caused the death of
Mary Jo Kopechne and lied about what happened. 


    


  But his worst and most destructive
legacy for the United States stems from his authorship of the 1965
"Immigration Reform Act" that added the bulk of our additional 100
million people into America within 40 years. It jumped
legal immigration from 170,000 annually to 1.1 million annually. Added
to that disastrous environmental legacy, his actions provoked a
complete ethnic change of our stable society into a fractured
civilization. How? He provided for entrance of immigrants from cultures
totally incompatible with U.S. culture. He downgraded citizenship by
not enforcing our laws or maintaining educational standards. 


    


  "We are the only country in history
that deliberately changed its ethnic makeup, and history has few
examples of 'diversity' creating a stable society." Governor Richard D.
Lamm 


    


  As those immigrants poured into
this country, he facilitated and languished as millions of illegal
aliens marched across our borders to wreak havoc on our schools,
communities, jobs, hospitals, language and prisons. Over 20,000 members
of MS-13 gangs distribute $130 billion in drugs yearly. We pay for
400,000 babies born to illegal alien mothers annually. We s

Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[BILROJ]

 
Ernie :
You are more than entitled to your opinion, 
but based on my exchanges with Jordan in the past.
it really seems to me that he comes down on the
Democratic party side 2 out of 3 times.
or even more than that.
 
In California, where being a Democrat may mean
9 times out of 10, and being a Republican may mean
that you  " only "  agree with Democrats 60 % of the  time,
maybe you could say he has a case to make about being
a supporter of the GOP, but otherwise I think not.
 
My opinion, for what it may be worth.
 
BTW, I  agree with the criticism about the "tone" of the  article.
If I was writing something along those lines from scratch
that is not how I would have done it.  But I was working  'with 
material sent to me by someone  who, generally,
sends good stuff.
 
Next time I will edit out the chaff, that  might  be a good  idea...
In this case the argument about immigration seemed to be sufficiently  
strong
to justify  passing along a piece that had weaknesses in other  areas,
 
Billy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
n a message dated 8/27/2009 2:03:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
drer...@radicalcentrism.org writes:

Hi  Billy,

On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:02 PM, bil...@aol.com wrote:
>  Thanks for the researched argument. But I will stick with my  
>  characterization of yourself
> as Politically  Correct  --even  if it may need some qualification.  
> You do, after all,
>  come down on the side of the Democratic Party on a regular basis.   
> True, someone
> can be a Republican and be PC in another way,  but to speak of more  
> usual usage

Um, I think you're  confusing Jordan with someone else.  He has at  
least as much  claim to Radical Centrism -- or even Republicanism! --  
as anyone  else  here.

-enp



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Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[Dr. Ernie Prabhakar]

Hi Billy,

On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:02 PM, bil...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks for the researched argument. But I will stick with my  
characterization of yourself
as Politically  Correct  --even if it may need some qualification.  
You do, after all,
come down on the side of the Democratic Party on a regular basis.  
True, someone
can be a Republican and be PC in another way, but to speak of more  
usual usage


Um, I think you're confusing Jordan with someone else.  He has at  
least as much claim to Radical Centrism -- or even Republicanism! --  
as anyone else here.


-enp



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Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[Janet McConnell]

To J & B:

 

I read Wooldridge's article carefully.  I was never a fan of JFK or brother
Ted, in spite of the fact that I am the granddaughter of Irish Catholic
immigrants (I guess you could say I was the black sheep of the clan).  I may
or may not disagree with the major points in the article, but I was put off
by the attacks made on Senator Kennedy regarding his past scandals and his
body type.  To me, these kinds of attacks have nothing to do with the issue
at hand and only show the juvenile mindset of the writer, which, in my mind,
totally damages his credibility.  

 

Have a great (rest of the) day, guys!

 

Janet McConnell

From: centroids-boun...@radicalcentrism.com
[mailto:centroids-boun...@radicalcentrism.com] On Behalf Of bil...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:03 PM
To: centroids@radicalcentrism.com
Subject: Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

 

Jordan :

Thanks for the researched argument. But I will stick with my
characterization of yourself

as Politically  Correct  --even if it may need some qualification. You do,
after all,

come down on the side of the Democratic Party on a regular basis. True,
someone

can be a Republican and be PC in another way, but to speak of more usual
usage

 

As a person who is all in favor of more immigration from India, Japan,
China, etc, 

I can hardly fault one feature of the 1965 Act, namely loosening of
immigration

restrictions for Asians. My general attitude is, "the more Asians, the
better."

 

This said, there is a strong ( strong ) case to the effect that protecting
existing

populations is a worthy goal.  I mean, would you recommend a policy that

puts them at risk ?   If so, on what grounds ?

 

This necessarily means population / demographic stabilization , at least
within

parameters that allow for gradual ( gradual ) drift to a modified population
mix.

 

I know enough about demographics to feel certain in insisting that chaos

is the result when immigration is unrestricted and disregards the
legitimate

concerns of existing populations, --concern about jobs, about culture,

about socialization of children, etc., .  Which, BTW, is also an argument

made in India, in the Netherlands, in Australia, and many other places.

 

As well, there always is an optimal absorption rate. Best estimates I know

about are in the quarter of a million range for the US, with an argument for

maybe  350,000 or 450,000 still in the ballpark. But beyond that, no way,
Jose.

 

This being said, and given the fact that the 1965 Act is not solely
responsible 

for current immigration problems, nonetheless, it opened the door to massive
abuse,

for which Ted Kennedy has my  derision.

 

I voted for JFK, I supported Robert, but Ted turned out to be an
insufferable 

political  hack. Again, on some issues the man deserves thanks, but
generally.

 

 

Billy

 

 


---

 

In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:24:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jor...@dea-mattson.com writes:

Hi Billy - 

 

Me political correct? Excuse me? Have you read what I have written over the
last five years I have been on this fourm? And I thought that part of the
credo we were using here was not to make caricatures of people and their
beliefs? If I wanted that kind of response, I would go and watch MSNBC or
Fox News.

 

I agree that there are issues in our immigration policy, but I do not
believe that the Immigration Act of 1965 is the root cause of them or even a
part of them. 

 

Simply put, the Immigration Act of 1965 did two things:

1.  Removed country of preference requirements that drastically favored
Northern and Western Europe (as define in immigration) over anywhere else in
the world (and by the way which put the Irish at a disadvantage) 
2.  Promoted family reunification as a value in immigration policy

Failure to enforce existing immigration laws, abuse of those laws, etc., do
not go back to the Immigration Act of 1965.

 

The underlying thesis of this piece, that Ted Kennedy and the Immigration
Act of 1965, is the root of all that is bad, doesn't hold water. 

 

I also question the motivation of this piece, when all his "bad examples",
are of those of non-Northern/Western European origin. No mention of the
illegal immigrant from Ireland? Of the Irish gangs on the Eastern seaboard?

 

Jordan

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM,  wrote:

Thanks

I should have caught that. You are right to point out the error in the
essay.

This said, you missed something important, namely the entire thrust of the
article,

which is essentially about the disaster which is US immigration policy.

 

But given your Political Correctness mindset, I don't really expect 

more from you, anyway.

 

Billy R.

 



 

 

In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:01:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
j

Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[BILROJ]

 
Jordan :
Thanks for the researched argument. But I will stick with my  
characterization of yourself
as Politically  Correct  --even if it may need some  qualification. You do, 
after all,
come down on the side of the Democratic Party on a regular basis. True,  
someone
can be a Republican and be PC in another way, but to speak of more usual  
usage
 
As a person who is all in favor of more immigration from India, Japan,  
China, etc, 
I can hardly fault one feature of the 1965 Act, namely loosening of  
immigration
restrictions for Asians. My general attitude is, "the more Asians, the  
better."
 
This said, there is a strong ( strong ) case to the effect that protecting  
existing
populations is a worthy goal.  I mean, would you recommend a policy  that
puts them at risk ?   If so, on what grounds ?
 
This necessarily means population / demographic stabilization , at least  
within
parameters that allow for gradual ( gradual ) drift to a modified  
population mix.
 
I know enough about demographics to feel certain in insisting that  chaos
is the result when immigration is unrestricted and disregards the   
legitimate
concerns of existing populations, --concern about jobs, about  culture,
about socialization of children, etc., .  Which, BTW, is also an  argument
made in India, in the Netherlands, in Australia, and many other  places.
 
As well, there always is an optimal absorption rate. Best estimates I  know
about are in the quarter of a million range for the US, with an argument  
for
maybe  350,000 or 450,000 still in the ballpark. But beyond that, no  way, 
Jose.
 
This being said, and given the fact that the 1965 Act is not solely  
responsible 
for current immigration problems, nonetheless, it opened the door to  
massive abuse,
for which Ted Kennedy has my  derision.
 
I voted for JFK, I supported Robert, but Ted turned out to be an  
insufferable 
political  hack. Again, on some issues the man deserves thanks, but  
generally.
 
 
Billy
 
 

---
 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:24:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jor...@dea-mattson.com writes:

Hi Billy  -  


Me political correct? Excuse me? Have you read what I have written over  
the last five years I have been on this fourm? And I thought that part of the  
credo we were using here was not to make caricatures of people and their  
beliefs? If I wanted that kind of response, I would go and watch MSNBC or Fox 
 News.


I agree that there are issues in our immigration policy, but I do not  
believe that the Immigration Act of 1965 is the root cause of them or even a  
part of them. 


Simply put, the Immigration Act of 1965 did two things:
 
1.  Removed country of preference requirements that drastically favored 
 Northern and Western Europe (as define in immigration) over anywhere else 
in  the world (and by the way which put the Irish at a disadvantage)  
2.  Promoted family reunification as a value in immigration policy
Failure to enforce existing immigration laws, abuse of those laws, etc.,  
do not go back to the Immigration Act of 1965.


The underlying thesis of this piece, that Ted Kennedy and the Immigration  
Act of 1965, is the root of all that is bad, doesn't hold water. 


I also question the motivation of this piece, when all his "bad  examples", 
are of those of non-Northern/Western European origin. No mention of  the 
illegal immigrant from Ireland? Of the Irish gangs on the Eastern  seaboard?


Jordan

 
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM, <_bil...@aol.com_ (mailto:bil...@aol.com) 
> wrote:


 
Thanks
I should have caught that. You are right to point out the error in the  
essay.
This said, you missed something important, namely the entire thrust  of the 
article,
which is essentially about the disaster which is US immigration  policy.
 
But given your Political Correctness mindset, I don't really  expect 
more from you, anyway.
 
Billy R.
 

 

 


In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:01:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
_jor...@dea-mattson.com_ (mailto:jor...@dea-mattson.com)  writes:

Hi  Billy -  


I don't have time to go over this line by line, but in my quick scan  
something jumped out to me:
 



Kennedy  voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000 American 
soldiers  and wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against making English our  
national language which ensures further Balkanization of our nation via  
linguistic chaos. When a nation cannot speak to itself, it becomes  fractured 
and 
separated.


Kennedy voted against the Iraq war. In fact he got a lot of flack for  it. 
If this is the level of fact checking this person is doing, then I  have to 
throw this piece in the circular file. 


It appears that this person has a major ax to grind with Kennedy and  was 
prepared to blame Kennedy for every ill in society in his  diatribe.


The Immi

Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[Jordan Dea-Mattson]

Hi Billy -
Me political correct? Excuse me? Have you read what I have written over the
last five years I have been on this fourm? And I thought that part of the
credo we were using here was not to make caricatures of people and their
beliefs? If I wanted that kind of response, I would go and watch MSNBC or
Fox News.

I agree that there are issues in our immigration policy, but I do not
believe that the Immigration Act of 1965 is the root cause of them or even a
part of them.

Simply put, the Immigration Act of 1965 did two things:

   1. Removed country of preference requirements that drastically favored
   Northern and Western Europe (as define in immigration) over anywhere else in
   the world (and by the way which put the Irish at a disadvantage)
   2. Promoted family reunification as a value in immigration policy

Failure to enforce existing immigration laws, abuse of those laws, etc., do
not go back to the Immigration Act of 1965.

The underlying thesis of this piece, that Ted Kennedy and the Immigration
Act of 1965, is the root of all that is bad, doesn't hold water.

I also question the motivation of this piece, when all his "bad examples",
are of those of non-Northern/Western European origin. No mention of the
illegal immigrant from Ireland? Of the Irish gangs on the Eastern seaboard?

Jordan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM,  wrote:

>  Thanks
> I should have caught that. You are right to point out the error in the
> essay.
> This said, you missed something important, namely the *entire thrust of
> the article*,
> which is essentially about the disaster which is US immigration policy.
>
> But given your Political Correctness mindset, I don't really expect
> more from you, anyway.
>
> Billy R.
>
> 
>
>
> In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:01:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> jor...@dea-mattson.com writes:
>
> Hi Billy -
> I don't have time to go over this line by line, but in my quick scan
> something jumped out to me:
>
>>
>> Kennedy voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000 American
>> soldiers and wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against making English our
>> national language which ensures further Balkanization of our nation via
>> linguistic chaos. When a nation cannot speak to itself, it becomes fractured
>> and separated.
>
>
> Kennedy voted against the Iraq war. In fact he got a lot of flack for it.
> If this is the level of fact checking this person is doing, then I have to
> throw this piece in the circular file.
>
> It appears that this person has a major ax to grind with Kennedy and was
> prepared to blame Kennedy for every ill in society in his diatribe.
>
> The Immigration Reform of 1965 was a long overdue and needed piece of
> reform. My wife, and many of your relatives based on your self-reports on
> their country of origin, would not be here. The pre-1965 immigration laws
> were racist to their core (can you say, "Exclusion Acts"). Anyone who
> attacks someone or the Immigration Reform of 1965 with the language this
> individual used is a nutter in my opinion.
>
> In addition, the lack of civil language in this diatribe completely turned
> me off.
>
> Jordan
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:
>
>>  This was written in 2008, apparently, but is worth reprinting to honor
>> the
>> memory of Edward Kennedy upon his death.
>>
>> We can --and should-- add more conventional tributes, He did a number
>> of things, supported a number of laws, that have served American well,
>> including welfare reform and educational reform. But this item--sent to me
>> by a friend--  deserves some attention a this time against a background
>> of round-the-clock TV adulation.
>>
>> How about some necessary balance ?
>>
>> Billy R
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>  *Ted Kennedy's Deadly Legacy For America*
>> By Frosty Wooldridge  8-27-9 http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm  
>> Teddy
>> Kennedy died yesterday, but his legacy grows more deadly for future
>> Americans.   Instead of a rich legacy bequeathed upon the United States
>> by forever U.S. Senator Teddy Kennedy, the oft-intoxicated, blubbery fourth
>> brother of the Kennedy clan-four decades ago--drunkenly drove over a bridge
>> that caused the death of Mary Jo Kopechne and lied about what happened.
>>
>>  But his worst and most destructive legacy for the United States stems
>> from his authorship of the 1965 "Immigration Reform Act" that added the bulk
>> of our additional 100 million people into America within 40 years. It jumped
>> legal immigration from 170,000 annually to 1.1 million annually. Added to
>> that disastrous environmental legacy, his actions provoked a complete ethnic
>> change of our stable society into a fractured civilization. How? He provided
>> for entrance of immigrants from cultures totally incompatible with U.S.
>> culture. He downgraded citizenship by not enforcing

Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[BILROJ]

 
Thanks
I should have caught that. You are right to point out the error in the  
essay.
This said, you missed something important, namely the entire thrust of  the 
article,
which is essentially about the disaster which is US immigration  policy.
 
But given your Political Correctness mindset, I don't really expect 
more from you, anyway.
 
Billy R.
 

 
 
In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:01:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jor...@dea-mattson.com writes:

Hi Billy  -  


I don't have time to go over this line by line, but in my quick scan  
something jumped out to me:
 



Kennedy  voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000 American 
soldiers and  wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against making English our 
national  language which ensures further Balkanization of our nation via 
linguistic  chaos. When a nation cannot speak to itself, it becomes fractured 
and  
separated.


Kennedy voted against the Iraq war. In fact he got a lot of flack for it.  
If this is the level of fact checking this person is doing, then I have to  
throw this piece in the circular file. 


It appears that this person has a major ax to grind with Kennedy and was  
prepared to blame Kennedy for every ill in society in his diatribe.


The Immigration Reform of 1965 was a long overdue and needed piece of  
reform. My wife, and many of your relatives based on your self-reports on  
their 
country of origin, would not be here. The pre-1965 immigration laws were  
racist to their core (can you say, "Exclusion Acts"). Anyone who attacks  
someone or the Immigration Reform of 1965 with the language this individual  
used is a nutter in my opinion.


In addition, the lack of civil language in this diatribe completely  turned 
me off.


Jordan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, <_bil...@aol.com_ (mailto:bil...@aol.com) 
> wrote:


 
This was written in 2008, apparently,  but is worth reprinting to honor the
memory of Edward Kennedy upon his  death.
 
We can --and should-- add more  conventional tributes, He did a number
of things, supported a number of laws,  that have served American well,
including welfare reform and educational reform. But this item--sent to  me
by a friend--  deserves some attention a this time against a  background
of round-the-clock TV adulation.
 
How about some necessary balance ?
 
Billy R
 


 

Ted Kennedy's Deadly  Legacy For America
By Frosty Wooldridge 
8-27-9 
_http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm_ 
(http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm)  
Teddy Kennedy  died yesterday, but his legacy grows more deadly for future  
Americans.  
Instead of a rich legacy bequeathed upon the United States  by forever U.S. 
Senator Teddy Kennedy, the oft-intoxicated,  blubbery fourth brother of the 
Kennedy clan-four decades  ago--drunkenly drove over a bridge that caused 
the death of Mary  Jo Kopechne and lied about what happened. 
  
But his worst and most destructive legacy for the United  States stems from 
his authorship of the 1965 "Immigration Reform  Act" that added the bulk of 
our additional 100 million people into  America within 40 years. It jumped 
legal immigration from  170,000 annually to 1.1 million annually. Added to 
that disastrous  environmental legacy, his actions provoked a complete ethnic 
 change of our stable society into a fractured civilization. How?  He 
provided for entrance of immigrants from cultures totally  incompatible with 
U.S. 
culture. He downgraded citizenship by not  enforcing our laws or 
maintaining educational standards.  

"We are the only country in history that deliberately  changed its ethnic 
makeup, and history has few examples of  'diversity' creating a stable 
society." Governor Richard D. Lamm  

As those immigrants poured into this country, he  facilitated and 
languished as millions of illegal aliens marched  across our borders to wreak 
havoc 
on our schools, communities,  jobs, hospitals, language and prisons. Over 
20,000 members of  MS-13 gangs distribute $130 billion in drugs yearly. We pay 
for  400,000 babies born to illegal alien mothers annually. We suffer  28 
million Americans on food stamps because illegals downgrade  wages and take 
jobs from our working poor. 
  
Kennedy single handedly planted the seeds for the  destruction of our 
country per the words of President Teddy  Roosevelt, "The one absolutely 
certain 
way of bringing this nation  to ruin, or preventing all possibility of its 
continuing as a  nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of  
squabbling nationalities." 
  
How did Kennedy answer that crisis of unrelenting illegal  border crossing? 
He proposed, wrote and encouraged Ronald Reagan  to sign the 1986 
Immigration Amnesty that allowed what he said  were only 1.3 million illegals. 
The 
true number of illegal aliens  that gained instant citizenship became 4.

Re: [RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[Jordan Dea-Mattson]

Hi Billy -
I don't have time to go over this line by line, but in my quick scan
something jumped out to me:

>
> Kennedy voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000 American
> soldiers and wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against making English our
> national language which ensures further Balkanization of our nation via
> linguistic chaos. When a nation cannot speak to itself, it becomes fractured
> and separated.


Kennedy voted against the Iraq war. In fact he got a lot of flack for it. If
this is the level of fact checking this person is doing, then I have to
throw this piece in the circular file.

It appears that this person has a major ax to grind with Kennedy and was
prepared to blame Kennedy for every ill in society in his diatribe.

The Immigration Reform of 1965 was a long overdue and needed piece of
reform. My wife, and many of your relatives based on your self-reports on
their country of origin, would not be here. The pre-1965 immigration laws
were racist to their core (can you say, "Exclusion Acts"). Anyone who
attacks someone or the Immigration Reform of 1965 with the language this
individual used is a nutter in my opinion.

In addition, the lack of civil language in this diatribe completely turned
me off.

Jordan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:

>  This was written in 2008, apparently, but is worth reprinting to honor
> the
> memory of Edward Kennedy upon his death.
>
> We can --and should-- add more conventional tributes, He did a number
> of things, supported a number of laws, that have served American well,
> including welfare reform and educational reform. But this item--sent to me
> by a friend--  deserves some attention a this time against a background
> of round-the-clock TV adulation.
>
> How about some necessary balance ?
>
> Billy R
>
>
> 
>
>
>  *Ted Kennedy's Deadly Legacy For America*
> By Frosty Wooldridge  8-27-9 http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm  
> Teddy
> Kennedy died yesterday, but his legacy grows more deadly for future
> Americans.   Instead of a rich legacy bequeathed upon the United States by
> forever U.S. Senator Teddy Kennedy, the oft-intoxicated, blubbery fourth
> brother of the Kennedy clan-four decades ago--drunkenly drove over a bridge
> that caused the death of Mary Jo Kopechne and lied about what happened.
>
>  But his worst and most destructive legacy for the United States stems
> from his authorship of the 1965 "Immigration Reform Act" that added the bulk
> of our additional 100 million people into America within 40 years. It jumped
> legal immigration from 170,000 annually to 1.1 million annually. Added to
> that disastrous environmental legacy, his actions provoked a complete ethnic
> change of our stable society into a fractured civilization. How? He provided
> for entrance of immigrants from cultures totally incompatible with U.S.
> culture. He downgraded citizenship by not enforcing our laws or maintaining
> educational standards.
>
>  "We are the only country in history that deliberately changed its ethnic
> makeup, and history has few examples of 'diversity' creating a stable
> society." Governor Richard D. Lamm
>
>  As those immigrants poured into this country, he facilitated and
> languished as millions of illegal aliens marched across our borders to wreak
> havoc on our schools, communities, jobs, hospitals, language and prisons.
> Over 20,000 members of MS-13 gangs distribute $130 billion in drugs yearly.
> We pay for 400,000 babies born to illegal alien mothers annually. We suffer
> 28 million Americans on food stamps because illegals downgrade wages and
> take jobs from our working poor.
>
>  Kennedy single handedly planted the seeds for the destruction of our
> country per the words of President Teddy Roosevelt, "The one absolutely
> certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, or preventing all possibility
> of its continuing as a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a
> tangle of squabbling nationalities."
>
>  How did Kennedy answer that crisis of unrelenting illegal border
> crossing? He proposed, wrote and encouraged Ronald Reagan to sign the 1986
> Immigration Amnesty that allowed what he said were only 1.3 million
> illegals. The true number of illegal aliens that gained instant citizenship
> became 4.3 million.
>
>  Later, Reagan said signing that amnesty was the worse mistake of his
> presidency.
>
>  Last June, 2007, as another 20 million illegal aliens broke over U.S.
> borders since 1986, Kennedy tried to give another amnesty by forcing S.B.
> 1639 into law with his bluster and pompous bellowing. He voted to double
> legal immigration to 2.2 million annually! Kennedy remains responsible for
> our $346 billion annual costs paying for illegal aliens!
>
>  In Dr. Otis Graham's "Unguarded Gates: A History of America's Immigration
> Crisis", he writes, "Most Western elites continue urging the wealthy West
> not to ste

[RC] Tribute to Ted Kennedy

[BILROJ]

 
This was written in 2008, apparently, but  is worth reprinting to honor the
memory of Edward Kennedy upon his  death.
 
We can --and should-- add more conventional  tributes, He did a number
of things, supported a number of laws, that  have served American well,
including welfare reform and educational reform. But this item--sent to  me
by a friend--  deserves some attention a this time against a  background
of round-the-clock TV adulation.
 
How about some necessary balance ?
 
Billy R
 


 

Ted Kennedy's Deadly Legacy  For America
By  Frosty Wooldridge 
8-27-9 
_http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm_ 
(http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm)  
Teddy Kennedy died  yesterday, but his legacy grows more deadly for future  
Americans.  
Instead of a rich legacy bequeathed upon the United States by  forever U.S. 
Senator Teddy Kennedy, the oft-intoxicated, blubbery  fourth brother of the 
Kennedy clan-four decades ago--drunkenly drove  over a bridge that caused 
the death of Mary Jo Kopechne and lied about  what happened. 
  
But his worst and most destructive legacy for the United States  stems from 
his authorship of the 1965 "Immigration Reform Act" that  added the bulk of 
our additional 100 million people into America  within 40 years. It jumped 
legal immigration from 170,000  annually to 1.1 million annually. Added to 
that disastrous  environmental legacy, his actions provoked a complete ethnic 
change of  our stable society into a fractured civilization. How? He 
provided for  entrance of immigrants from cultures totally incompatible with 
U.S.  
culture. He downgraded citizenship by not enforcing our laws or  
maintaining educational standards. 
  
"We are the only country in history that deliberately changed  its ethnic 
makeup, and history has few examples of 'diversity'  creating a stable 
society." Governor Richard D. Lamm 
  
As those immigrants poured into this country, he facilitated  and 
languished as millions of illegal aliens marched across our  borders to wreak 
havoc 
on our schools, communities, jobs, hospitals,  language and prisons. Over 
20,000 members of MS-13 gangs distribute  $130 billion in drugs yearly. We pay 
for 400,000 babies born to  illegal alien mothers annually. We suffer 28 
million Americans on food  stamps because illegals downgrade wages and take 
jobs from our working  poor. 
  
Kennedy single handedly planted the seeds for the destruction  of our 
country per the words of President Teddy Roosevelt, "The one  absolutely 
certain 
way of bringing this nation to ruin, or preventing  all possibility of its 
continuing as a nation at all, would be to  permit it to become a tangle of 
squabbling nationalities."  

How did Kennedy answer that crisis of unrelenting illegal  border crossing? 
He proposed, wrote and encouraged Ronald Reagan to  sign the 1986 
Immigration Amnesty that allowed what he said were only  1.3 million illegals. 
The 
true number of illegal aliens that gained  instant citizenship became 4.3 
million. 
  
Later, Reagan said signing that amnesty was the worse mistake  of his 
presidency. 
  
Last June, 2007, as another 20 million illegal aliens broke  over U.S. 
borders since 1986, Kennedy tried to give another amnesty by  forcing S.B. 1639 
into law with his bluster and pompous bellowing. He  voted to double legal 
immigration to 2.2 million annually! Kennedy  remains responsible for our 
$346 billion annual costs paying for  illegal aliens! 
  
In Dr. Otis Graham's "Unguarded Gates: A History of America's  Immigration 
Crisis", he writes, "Most Western elites continue urging  the wealthy West 
not to stem the migrant tide, but to absorb our  global brothers and sisters 
until their horrid ordeal has been endured  and shared by all--ten billion 
humans packed onto an ecologically  devastated planet." 
  
Kennedy voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000  American 
soldiers and wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against  making English our 
national language which ensures further  Balkanization of our nation via 
linguistic chaos. When a nation cannot  speak to itself, it becomes fractured 
and 
separated. 
  
While he battles with brain cancer, we battle for our nation's  life. While 
he sails his boat around Martha's Vineyard, we pick up  millions of pieces 
of trash on our borders from invading illegal alien  hordes that he 
encourages. While he tips yet another glass of wine, we  struggle to maintain 
our 
schools, communities, hospitals and prisons  from this illegal invasion. While 
he sat on his barnyard wide rear-end  for 40 years in the Senate creating 
the problems that now destroy our  nation, we watched the American Dream turn 
into a nightmare.  

Contrary to the editors of the Denver Post, Ted Kennedy may be  likened to 
Nero of Rome who fiddled while it burned. Kennedy drank  while we fought for 
our nation's survival. Kennedy ate at the f