Re: [ceph-users] replica questions
Hi, You should read email from Wido den Hollander: "Hi, As a Ceph consultant I get numerous calls throughout the year to help people with getting their broken Ceph clusters back online. The causes of downtime vary vastly, but one of the biggest causes is that people use replication 2x. size = 2, min_size = 1. In 2016 the amount of cases I have where data was lost due to these settings grew exponentially. Usually a disk failed, recovery kicks in and while recovery is happening a second disk fails. Causing PGs to become incomplete. There have been to many times where I had to use xfs_repair on broken disks and use ceph-objectstore-tool to export/import PGs. I really don't like these cases, mainly because they can be prevented easily by using size = 3 and min_size = 2 for all pools. With size = 2 you go into the danger zone as soon as a single disk/daemon fails. With size = 3 you always have two additional copies left thus keeping your data safe(r). If you are running CephFS, at least consider running the 'metadata' pool with size = 3 to keep the MDS happy. Please, let this be a big warning to everybody who is running with size = 2. The downtime and problems caused by missing objects/replicas are usually big and it takes days to recover from those. But very often data is lost and/or corrupted which causes even more problems. I can't stress this enough. Running with size = 2 in production is a SERIOUS hazard and should not be done imho. To anyone out there running with size = 2, please reconsider this! Thanks, Wido" Btw, could you please share your experience about HA network for Ceph ? What type of bonding do you have? are you using stackable switches? On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Maxime Guyot <maxime.gu...@elits.com> wrote: > Hi Henrik and Matteo, > > > > While I agree with Henrik: increasing your replication factor won’t > improve recovery or read performance on its own. If you are changing from > replica 2 to replica 3, you might need to scale-out your cluster to have > enough space for the additional replica, and that would improve the > recovery and read performance. > > > > Cheers, > > Maxime > > > > *From: *ceph-users <ceph-users-boun...@lists.ceph.com> on behalf of > Henrik Korkuc <li...@kirneh.eu> > *Date: *Friday 3 March 2017 11:35 > *To: *"ceph-users@lists.ceph.com" <ceph-users@lists.ceph.com> > *Subject: *Re: [ceph-users] replica questions > > > > On 17-03-03 12:30, Matteo Dacrema wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I’ve a production cluster made of 8 nodes, 166 OSDs and 4 Journal SSD > every 5 OSDs with replica 2 for a total RAW space of 150 TB. > > I’ve few question about it: > > > >- It’s critical to have replica 2? Why? > > Replica size 3 is highly recommended. I do not know exact numbers but it > decreases chance of data loss as 2 disk failures appear to be quite > frequent thing, especially in larger clusters. > > >- Does replica 3 makes recovery faster? > > no > > >- Does replica 3 makes rebalancing and recovery less heavy for >customers? If I lose 1 node does replica 3 reduce the IO impact respect a >replica 2? > > no > > >- Does read performance increase with replica 3? > > no > > > > Thank you > > Regards > > Matteo > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the > individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not > disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender > immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and > delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient > you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any > action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly > prohibited. > > > > > > > ___ > > ceph-users mailing list > > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > > > > ___ > ceph-users mailing list > ceph-users@lists.ceph.com > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > > ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] replica questions
Hi Henrik and Matteo, While I agree with Henrik: increasing your replication factor won’t improve recovery or read performance on its own. If you are changing from replica 2 to replica 3, you might need to scale-out your cluster to have enough space for the additional replica, and that would improve the recovery and read performance. Cheers, Maxime From: ceph-users <ceph-users-boun...@lists.ceph.com> on behalf of Henrik Korkuc <li...@kirneh.eu> Date: Friday 3 March 2017 11:35 To: "ceph-users@lists.ceph.com" <ceph-users@lists.ceph.com> Subject: Re: [ceph-users] replica questions On 17-03-03 12:30, Matteo Dacrema wrote: Hi All, I’ve a production cluster made of 8 nodes, 166 OSDs and 4 Journal SSD every 5 OSDs with replica 2 for a total RAW space of 150 TB. I’ve few question about it: * It’s critical to have replica 2? Why? Replica size 3 is highly recommended. I do not know exact numbers but it decreases chance of data loss as 2 disk failures appear to be quite frequent thing, especially in larger clusters. * Does replica 3 makes recovery faster? no * Does replica 3 makes rebalancing and recovery less heavy for customers? If I lose 1 node does replica 3 reduce the IO impact respect a replica 2? no * Does read performance increase with replica 3? no Thank you Regards Matteo This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com<mailto:ceph-users@lists.ceph.com> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
Re: [ceph-users] replica questions
On 17-03-03 12:30, Matteo Dacrema wrote: Hi All, I’ve a production cluster made of 8 nodes, 166 OSDs and 4 Journal SSD every 5 OSDs with replica 2 for a total RAW space of 150 TB. I’ve few question about it: * It’s critical to have replica 2? Why? Replica size 3 is highly recommended. I do not know exact numbers but it decreases chance of data loss as 2 disk failures appear to be quite frequent thing, especially in larger clusters. * Does replica 3 makes recovery faster? no * Does replica 3 makes rebalancing and recovery less heavy for customers? If I lose 1 node does replica 3 reduce the IO impact respect a replica 2? no * Does read performance increase with replica 3? no Thank you Regards Matteo This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
[ceph-users] replica questions
Hi All, I’ve a production cluster made of 8 nodes, 166 OSDs and 4 Journal SSD every 5 OSDs with replica 2 for a total RAW space of 150 TB. I’ve few question about it: It’s critical to have replica 2? Why? Does replica 3 makes recovery faster? Does replica 3 makes rebalancing and recovery less heavy for customers? If I lose 1 node does replica 3 reduce the IO impact respect a replica 2? Does read performance increase with replica 3? Thank you Regards Matteo This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ___ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@lists.ceph.com http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
