Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWrt 3.10 AQM page

2013-12-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Fred, On Dec 19, 2013, at 16:27 , Fred Stratton fredstrat...@ydl.net wrote: On 19/12/13 15:07, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi All, On Dec 19, 2013, at 15:24 , Fred Stratton fredstrat...@ydl.net wrote: 2 comments: You talk about link speed. This has 2 meanings: the rate at

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWrt 3.10 AQM page

2013-12-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Fred, On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:33 , Fred Stratton fredstrat...@imap.cc wrote: On 20/12/13 10:12, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi Fred, On Dec 19, 2013, at 16:27 , Fred Stratton fredstrat...@ydl.net wrote: On 19/12/13 15:07, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi All, On Dec 19, 2013, at

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWrt 3.10 AQM page

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
What's in a name? AQM has been pretty thoroughly defined to equal active queue *length* management and not packet scheduling. Overloading AQM what cerowrt does is apt to cause even more confusion in the field than it already does. We discussed using LBO as a word but that appears hopelessly

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.24-5 dev build released

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
I wanted to say how much I was enjoying catching up on this thread. I think only one question came up for me during it, which is support for a bfifo and pfifo qdisc? (if I missed something let me know ) Support for these are darn useful for the research and I have long meant to fold in the

[Cerowrt-devel] Anything but AQM

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
Any ideas for a name for packet scheduling, prioritization, and active queue management better than just AQM, or QoS? SQM Smarter Queue Management CeroShaper LBO Latency and Bandwidth Optimisation -- Dave Täht Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscribe.html

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Anything but AQM

2013-12-20 Thread Rich Brown
Dave, You wrote: What's in a name? AQM has been pretty thoroughly defined to equal active queue *length* management and not packet scheduling. Overloading AQM what cerowrt does is apt to cause even more confusion in the field than it already does. We discussed using LBO as a word but that

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Anything but AQM

2013-12-20 Thread Rich Brown
On Dec 20, 2013, at 4:22 PM, dpr...@reed.com wrote: They are based on a completely false premise - that queues should be allowed to build at all, and that local information can solve highly transient global problems. Dumb Queue Management is going to be far superior. Keep the queue at

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Anything but AQM

2013-12-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Dec 20, 2013, at 22:22 , dpr...@reed.com wrote: Given that there is no likelihood of making localized queue management intelligent because it has no global information whatsoever, I strongly suggest that smart intelligent and even active are hugely misleading. They are

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWrt 3.10 AQM page

2013-12-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Rich, On Dec 20, 2013, at 22:25 , Rich Brown richb.hano...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I have always hungered for a two-part entry for the up and download link speeds. It’s a little bit of a crock to make every customer break out their calculator to compute 95% (or 92% or whatever

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Anything but AQM

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:22 PM, dpr...@reed.com wrote: Given that there is no likelihood of making localized queue management intelligent because it has no global information whatsoever, I strongly suggest that smart intelligent and even active are hugely misleading. They are based on a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.24-5 dev build released

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Dave, On Dec 20, 2013, at 19:01 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to say how much I was enjoying catching up on this thread. I think only one question came up for me during it, which is support for

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWrt 3.10 AQM page

2013-12-20 Thread Rich Brown
Folks, I have updated the CeroWrt 3.10 AQM page. Thanks for all the comments, I’ll incorporate more comments as people send them in. Some thoughts on the page so far: - I agree that we should keep the descriptions generic (that is, not tailored specifically to CeroWrt) so we can push into

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Anything but AQM

2013-12-20 Thread Rich Brown
Folks, I just remembered that about a year ago, Bill McGonigle offered a “marketing name” for CeroWrt - BroadbandEQ. He wrote: From: Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com Subject: Re: Dang, I forgot... Date: December 10, 2012 11:13:55 PM EST To: Richard Brown Rationale: Not a precise

[Cerowrt-devel] increasing the *codel target for DSL at really low bandwidths

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
I have struggled with really low bandwidths. Folk like fred have really struggled with low bandwidths (to the point of switching to pie on his workload, which has a 20ms target), and having got some configuration info from maxime over free.fr (biggest ecn enabled fq_codel'd deployment I know of),

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.24-5 dev build released

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
Aggh! the unaligned instructions are Baack? That would explain a lot. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Dave, On Dec 20, 2013, at 19:01 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to say how much I was enjoying catching up on this thread.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Anything but AQM

2013-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
Given that StreamBoost(tm) consists of fq_codel + bigfoots packet classification technology and service which gives prioritization to gamer packets + some kind of automatic rate finder (better than gargoyle's ACC I'm told). I am increasingly irked by how the roles these technologies' interplay are

[Cerowrt-devel] Proper AQM settings for my connection?

2013-12-20 Thread Hector Ordorica
I'm running 3.10.13-2 on a WNDR3800, and have used the suggested settings from the latest draft: http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Setting_up_AQM_for_CeroWrt_310 I have a 30Mb down / 5Mb upload cable connection. With fq_codel, even undershooting network upload bandwidth by more

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Proper AQM settings for my connection?

2013-12-20 Thread Rich Brown
On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Hector Ordorica hechack...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running 3.10.13-2 on a WNDR3800, and have used the suggested settings from the latest draft: http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Setting_up_AQM_for_CeroWrt_310 I have a 30Mb down / 5Mb upload cable

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Proper AQM settings for my connection?

2013-12-20 Thread Hector Ordorica
And the pie tc if you are interested: root@cerowrt:~# tc -s qdisc show dev ge00 qdisc htb 1: root refcnt 2 r2q 10 default 10 direct_packets_stat 0 Sent 9106696 bytes 50492 pkt (dropped 5317, overlimits 17208 requeues 0) backlog 0b 0p requeues 0 qdisc pie 110: parent 1:10 limit 600p target 19

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Proper AQM settings for my connection?

2013-12-20 Thread Hector Ordorica
Interesting, I'll upgrade as soon as I have the chance to reconfigure it. Pinging and testing to the same netalyzr server. The replies started to drop during the downlink and uplink tests, except for fq_codel, which remained relatively stable. No AQM: Reply from 54.234.36.13: bytes=32 time=96ms