Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Make-wifi-fast] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-07-02 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- I think we need the language of math here. It seems like the network power metric, introduced by Kleinrock and Jaffe in the late 70s, is something useful. Effective end/end queue depths per Little's law also seems useful. Both are available in iperf 2 from a test perspective.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Bechtolschiem

2021-07-02 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 2 Jul, 2021, at 7:59 pm, Stephen Hemminger > wrote: > > In real world tests, TCP Cubic will consume any buffer it sees at a > congested link. Maybe that is what they mean by capture effect. First, I'll note that what they call "small buffer" corresponds to about a tenth of a millisecond

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Bechtolschiem

2021-07-02 Thread Matt Mathis via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- The argument is absolutely correct for Reno, CUBIC and all other self-clocked protocols. One of the core assumptions in Jacobson88, was that the clock for the entire system comes from packets draining through the bottleneck queue. In this world, the clock is intrinsically

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Bechtolschiem

2021-07-02 Thread Stephen Hemminger
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:42:24 -0700 Dave Taht wrote: > "Debunking Bechtolsheim credibly would get a lot of attention to the > bufferbloat cause, I suspect." - dpreed > > "Why Big Data Needs Big Buffer Switches" - > http://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Whitepapers/BigDataBigBuffers-WP.pdf >

[Cerowrt-devel] Bechtolschiem

2021-07-02 Thread Dave Taht
"Debunking Bechtolsheim credibly would get a lot of attention to the bufferbloat cause, I suspect." - dpreed "Why Big Data Needs Big Buffer Switches" - http://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Whitepapers/BigDataBigBuffers-WP.pdf .. i think i've just gained access to a few networks with arista