Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point

2021-07-13 Thread David P. Reed
Bob - On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 1:07pm, "Bob McMahon" said: > "Control at endpoints benefits greatly from even small amounts of > information supplied by the network about the degree of congestion present > on the path." > > Agreed. The ECN mechanism seems like a shared thermostat in a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point

2021-07-13 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- "the infinite TCP flow that converges to a steady behavior is purely academic" We find this to be mostly true. Sadly, the tools such as iperf drove to this condition. While still useful, not realistic. We added, in iperf 2, the ability to test TCP bursts (--burst-size and

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point

2021-07-13 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- "Control at endpoints benefits greatly from even small amounts of information supplied by the network about the degree of congestion present on the path." Agreed. The ECN mechanism seems like a shared thermostat in a building. It's basically an on/off where everyone is

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point

2021-07-13 Thread Amr Rizk
Ben, it depends on what one tries to measure. Doing a rate scan using UDP (to measure latency distributions under load) is the best thing that we have but without actually knowing how resources are shared (fair share as in WiFi, FIFO as nearly everywhere else) it becomes very difficult to