Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-03 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
ve > >> sensitivity. > >> > >> David Lang > >> > >> On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote: > >> > >>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:23:06 -0700 > >>> From: Bob McMahon > >>> To: David Lang > >>>

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
ists.bufferbloat.net, cerowrt-devel , bloat Subject: Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board The distance matrix defines signal attenuations/loss between pairs. It's straightforward to create a dist

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
Cake List , > > Make-Wifi-fast , > > Leonard Kleinrock , starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net, > > co...@lists.bufferbloat.net, > > cerowrt-devel , > > bloat > > Subject: Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug > 2: > >

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
...@lists.bufferbloat.net, cerowrt-devel , bloat Subject: Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board The distance matrix defines signal attenuations/loss between pairs. It's straightforward to create

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- The distance matrix defines signal attenuations/loss between pairs. It's straightforward to create a distance matrix that has hidden nodes because all "signal loss" between pairs is defined. Let's say a 120dB attenuation path will cause a node to be hidden as an example.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
I guess it depends on what you are intending to test. If you are not going to tinker with any of the over-the-air settings (including the number of packets transmitted in one aggregate), the details of what happen over the air don't matter much. But if you are going to be doing any tinkering

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
that matrix cannot create asymmetric paths (at least, not unless you are also tinkering with power settings on the nodes), and will have trouble making hidden transmitters (station A can hear station B and C but B and C cannot tell the other exists) as a node can hear that something is

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- I found the following talk relevant to distances between all the nodes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNoUcQTCxiM Distance is an abstract idea but applies to energy into a node as well as phylogenetic trees. It's the same problem, i.e. fitting a distance matrix using some

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread Leonard Kleinrock
These cases are what my student, Fouad Tobagi and I called the Hidden Terminal Problem (with the Busy Tone solution) back in 1975. Len > On Aug 2, 2021, at 4:16 PM, David Lang wrote: > > If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to include > the ability to make a fe

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- We find four nodes, a primary BSS and an adjunct one quite good for lots of testing. The six nodes allows for a primary BSS and two adjacent ones. We want to minimize complexity to necessary and sufficient. The challenge we find is having variability (e.g. montecarlos)

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread Ben Greear
On 8/2/21 4:16 PM, David Lang wrote: If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to include the ability to make a fe cases that only happen with RF, not with wired networks and are commonly overlooked 1. station A can hear station B and C but they cannot hear each other 2.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread Bob McMahon via Cerowrt-devel
--- Begin Message --- That distance matrices manage energy between nodes. The slides show a 5 branch tree to realize 4 nodes (and that distance matrix) and a diagram for 11 degrees of freedom for 6 nodes (3 BSS) The python code will compute the branch attenuations based on a supplied distance

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to include the ability to make a fe cases that only happen with RF, not with wired networks and are commonly overlooked 1. station A can hear station B and C but they cannot hear each other 2. station A can hear station B but