Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Will there ever be a stable version of cerowrt?

2014-02-07 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Feb 7, 2014, at 19:43 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Dave, On Feb 7, 2014, at 18:57 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Hemminger step

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] ipv6 over DT

2014-02-07 Thread Sebastian Moeller
. From the linux machine sitting in cero's se00 subnet, neither of these work. (and take this public please, I'm terribly buried right now) Oops, sorry Dave. I will try to keep this public. Best Regards sebastian On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell

[Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: ipv6 over DT

2014-02-07 Thread Sebastian Moeller
This was taken private, but probably could be of interest to other users, so on Dave's request: Begin forwarded message: From: Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de Subject: Re: ipv6 over DT Date: February 7, 2014 19:01:43 GMT+01:00 To: Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson swm

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] going back to the default multicast rate on wifi

2014-02-10 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Feb 10, 2014, at 18:48 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: Despite success with a variety of devices in increasing cerowrt's multicast rate from 1mbit to 9, I have found two that can't handle it, notably an older android tablet (the original nexus 7), and an iwl wifi card.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] more steps forward

2014-02-17 Thread Sebastian Moeller
HI Dave, On Feb 17, 2014, at 20:36 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: -1) we are working on modernizing, replicating and securing key bits of the bufferbloat.net infrastructure. 0) I would like to push the sqm scripts and gui up to openwrt-devel for review soon. It's still missing some

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] just when I thought it was safe to do a release

2014-02-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
HI Dave, On Feb 19, 2014, at 17:29 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM, David Personette dper...@gmail.com wrote: I installed 3.10.28-12, and other than some missing packages (bash and curl Heh. What do you guys do, have a cron job polling for changes to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] just when I thought it was safe to do a release

2014-02-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Feb 19, 2014, at 21:43 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: don't use 3.10.28-12 with the usb stick. Found a bug with codepoints. Building 3.10.28-14 now. Ah, okay, will wait for -14.. best regards Sebastian On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Sebastian

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWrt-3.10.28-14 dev build released

2014-02-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Feb 20, 2014, at 00:29 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: Get it at: Already installed ;) (rebooting just now, as I made all my changes and want my rc.local run..) http://snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net/~cero2/cerowrt/wndr/3.10.28-14/ + all known instruction traps

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] just when I thought it was safe to do a release

2014-02-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Fred, On Feb 20, 2014, at 06:28 , Fred Stratton fredstrat...@imap.cc wrote: http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/internet/files.htm#routerstatslite is software that is useful for monitoring an ADSL connection. When 'speed has increased' is mentioned, I wonder what has happened to the downstream

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] just when I thought it was safe to do a release

2014-02-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
fully endorse that! Monitoring the DSL statistics is a good practice (I would love doing it again, but my current modem-router has no meaning flu way of doing that…) Best Regards Sebastian On 20/02/14 09:05, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi Fred, On Feb 20, 2014, at 06:28 , Fred

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] just when I thought it was safe to do a release

2014-02-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
of RF interferes is a black art… Best Regards Sebastian On 20/02/14 13:15, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi Fred, On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:35 , Fred Stratton fredstrat...@imap.cc wrote: On 20/02/14 11:35, Fred Stratton wrote: I am aware of the DSLStats executable produced

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] just when I thought it was safe to do a release

2014-02-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Feb 20, 2014, at 18:49 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: My take on any speedup seen with 3.10.28-14 is due to killing nearly all the instruction traps. root@nacktmulle:~# uptime 21:08:53 up 20:28, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.05 root@nacktmulle:~# cat

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] just when I thought it was safe to do a release

2014-02-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
/02/14 20:08, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi Fred, On Feb 20, 2014, at 18:24 , Fred Stratton fredstrat...@imap.cc wrote: Aha.. beyond the DSLAM... I was unaware of that BRAS PPPoE issue. And there is no good reason to be aware of that particular screw-up :) Before using the 2Wire, I

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] more steps forward

2014-02-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: HI Dave, On Feb 17, 2014, at 20:36 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: -1) we are working on modernizing, replicating and securing key bits of the bufferbloat.net infrastructure. 0) I would like to push the sqm scripts and gui up to openwrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] saner defaults for config/firewall

2014-02-24 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Vincent, On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:05 , Vincent Frentzel zcec...@c3r.es wrote: I could be totally out for lunch here, but shouldn't that be se00 (secure ethernet) instead of eth0.1? At least on 3.10.28-14 neuter ifconfig nor /etc/config/network mentions eth0.1 at all. Could

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] saner defaults for config/firewall

2014-02-24 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Vincent, On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:35 , Vincent Frentzel zcec...@c3r.es wrote: I am familiar with that command :) Was wondering if there was something I could do when I cannot ssh into the router. As mentioned above, when trying to configure the bridge I hit a point where I could nt get in

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Equivocal results with using 3.10.28-14

2014-02-24 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Rich, On Feb 24, 2014, at 15:36 , Rich Brown richb.hano...@gmail.com wrote: CeroWrt 3.10.28-14 is doing a good job of keeping latency low. But... it has two other effects: - I don't get the full 7 mbps down, 768 kbps up as touted by my DSL provider (Fairpoint). In fact, CeroWrt

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Equivocal results with using 3.10.28-14

2014-02-24 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Rich, On Feb 24, 2014, at 22:54 , Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Rich, On Feb 24, 2014, at 15:36 , Rich Brown richb.hano...@gmail.com wrote: CeroWrt 3.10.28-14 is doing a good job of keeping latency low. But... it has two other effects: - I don't get the full 7

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] uplink_buffer_adjustment

2014-02-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Oliver, On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:14 , Oliver Niesner oliver.nies...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, I use cerowrt (3.10.24-8) direct behind my main dsl Router. SQM is set and performance is good. This is the most important part; you seem happy with the actual latency under load.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Equivocal results with using 3.10.28-14

2014-02-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Rich, On Feb 25, 2014, at 14:09 , Rich Brown richb.hano...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for all the good advice. I will summarize my responses to all your notes now, then I'll go away and run more tests. - Yes, I am using netperf 2.6.0 and netperf-wrapper from Toke's github repo.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] uplink_buffer_adjustment

2014-02-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Maciej, On Feb 25, 2014, at 15:05 , Maciej Soltysiak mac...@soltysiak.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: TL:DR version, netalyzr probes a buffer depth that while existing has not much relevance on the latency behavior under load

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Equivocal results with using 3.10.28-14

2014-02-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Feb 25, 2014, at 16:54 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Rich, On Feb 25, 2014, at 14:09 , Rich Brown richb.hano...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone for all the good advice. I will summarize

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] 3.10.32-4 issues

2014-03-05 Thread Sebastian Moeller
by the homenet working group as the way forward (yea!) The last patches for dnsmasq landed last week and simon tells me he plans a stable release soon. All this sounds quite promising… Best Regards Sebastian On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.32-12 released

2014-03-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
On Mar 21, 2014, at 23:53 , Toke Høiland-Jørgensen t...@toke.dk wrote: Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de writes: I did not notice this even though my primary router furnishes cerowrt with 192.168.2.104 (but no additional subnets in there), the internet works and I can reach machines

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.32-12 released

2014-03-22 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Toke, On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:08 , Toke Høiland-Jørgensen t...@toke.dk wrote: Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de writes: I have a question about the reasoning behind the whole thing though. I can see that not permitting source addresses that do not belong to cerowrt's subnets makes a ton

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] speedtest.sh script available

2014-03-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi List, On Mar 25, 2014, at 17:35 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest renaming it to something like bloattest, to avoid copyright and trademark issues. If you can come up with a sexier name, goferit... (I have had a name in hiding for a while, lul - latency under load, you

[Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt 3.10.32-12: loss of working dhcp on sw00 (2.4GHz)

2014-03-28 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Dear List, I can report another wifi issue with cerowrt 3.10.32-12. This time dhcp on the sw00 radio failed (see dmesg and log read below). Note the TX DMA failures are from rrul tests from days ago. But MAC Hang: 5359 show that something on the 2.4 GHz radio is not in its happy place (but

[Cerowrt-devel] another contender for new cerowrt hardware :)

2014-04-02 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi List, I just stumbled over the successor of the geode based a lix boards: http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm from the specs: • CPU: AMD G series T40E, 1 GHz dual Bobcat core with 64 bit support, 32K data + 32K instruction + 512K L2 cache per core • DRAM: 2 or 4 GB DDR3-1066 DRAM • Storage:

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.36-4 released

2014-04-10 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Valdis, On Apr 10, 2014, at 18:40 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:06:25 +0100, Robert Bradley said: Try using TFTP with the *factory.img file instead, since that worked for me. I'd like to at least try to figure out why the sysupgrade path is busted before I

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.36-4 released

2014-04-10 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Apr 10, 2014, at 19:29 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Robert Bradley robert.bradl...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/04/2014 15:32, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Robert Bradley robert.bradl...@gmail.com writes: - I had to add my cable modem

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.36-4 released

2014-04-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Jim, On Apr 13, 2014, at 02:22 , Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi Valdis, On Apr 10, 2014, at 18:40 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:06:25 +0100, Robert Bradley said: Try using TFTP

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Having issue upgrading to latest image 3.10.36-4

2014-04-14 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Joel, On Apr 13, 2014, at 15:57 , Joel Stanley j...@jms.id.au wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: I think Valdis Kletnieks reported the same for a 3800. Please try the manual route described below and report back your results to the list: I

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] comcast provisioned rates?

2014-04-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Apr 19, 2014, at 19:57 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: The features of the PowerBoost feature are well documented at this point. A proper emulation of them is in the ns2 code. It has been a persistent feature request, to add support to some Linux rate shaper to properly

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.36-6 released

2014-04-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Apr 19, 2014, at 22:01 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: + felix's wifi patch for bug #442 added please break wifi. + debloat qlens reduced again to 12 for be and bk wifi queues + heartbleed fix from -3 forward I note that nearly every secured-by-openssl network

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.36-6 released

2014-04-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Apr 21, 2014, at 21:09 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Dave, On Apr 19, 2014, at 22:01 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: + felix's wifi patch for bug #442 added please break wifi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.36-6 released

2014-04-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Apr 21, 2014, at 21:42 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Dave, On Apr 21, 2014, at 21:09 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Information to collect if wifi hangs

2014-04-22 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Rich, so I run this (saved as a script on cerowrt): #! /bin/sh # a collection of diagnostics to take when wifi troubles arise: out_fqn=/tmp/wifi_debug_output.txt radio=phy0 wlan_if=sw00 #ath9k_sub_dis=(interrupt queues xmit recv reset) echo -e date ${out_fqn} date ${out_fqn} echo -e \n

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] test-ipv6.com vs dnssec

2014-04-27 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, thanks for the information. On Apr 27, 2014, at 18:15 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi List, hi Dave, so I had to restart cerowrt 3.10.36-6 today after coming home from a 5 day trip. I had some

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] benefits of other eyeballs on sqm

2014-05-08 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On May 7, 2014, at 21:28 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Beta/Testing-fq-codel-in-v1-5-0beta1/m-p/828626/highlight/false#M3978 according to that script... It turns out that ifb names can be symbolic rather than an integer, and thus a

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Upgraded to 3.10.38-1, DNS issues?

2014-05-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Aristar, On May 9, 2014, at 18:17 , Aristar leetminiwh...@gmail.com wrote: Okay I figured it out. It was DNSSEC I didn't realize it was enabled by default so I had to comment out the lines in /etc/dnsmasq.conf but I still had to manually specify a nameservers in a separate config under

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] A stable cerowrt release in sight

2014-05-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Maciej, hi list, \ On May 19, 2014, at 09:30 , Maciej Soltysiak mac...@soltysiak.com wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:48 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2014 23:36:11 -0700, Dave Taht said:

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] A stable cerowrt release in sight

2014-05-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, hi list, On May 19, 2014, at 18:29 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Maciej, hi list, \ On May 19, 2014, at 09:30 , Maciej Soltysiak mac...@soltysiak.com wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-05-24 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi R, hi List, On May 24, 2014, at 16:12 , R. red...@gmail.com wrote: I should point out that another issue with deploying fq_codel widely is that it requires an accurate measurement (currently) of the providers bandwidth. Pardon my noobiness, but is there a technical obstacle that

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWRT and FTTN 50/10 VDSL2 (aka FIBE)

2014-06-30 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Michael, On Jun 30, 2014, at 17:37 , Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Bell Canada and nortel ATM equipment is involved. Oh, that would be quite interesting vdsl2 and atm at the same time. Could you by chance post the status page

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] CeroWRT and FTTN 50/10 VDSL2 (aka FIBE)

2014-07-03 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Michael, On Jul 2, 2014, at 22:45 , Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Michael, On Jun 30, 2014, at 17:37 , Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Bell Canada and nortel ATM

[Cerowrt-devel] Bug 442?

2014-07-13 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi List, hi Dave, I just had a case of devices on the 2.4GHz radio not connecting anymore (the 5GHz radio still worked). This output was stable while the devices failed to obtain IP addresses: root@nacktmulle:/usr/lib/CeroWrtScripts# cat /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath9k/queues \(VO):

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Neil, On Jul 25, 2014, at 14:24 , Neil Davies neil.dav...@pnsol.com wrote: Rich I have a deep worry over this style of single point measurement - and hence speed - as an appropriate measure. But how do you propose to measure

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Neil, On Jul 25, 2014, at 16:27 , Neil Davies neil.dav...@pnsol.com wrote: Sebastian On 25 Jul 2014, at 15:17, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: But how do you propose to measure the (bottleneck) link capacity then? It turns out for current CPE and CMTS/DSLAM equipment

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
, thanks a lot. best regards sebastian On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:12, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hello Martin, thanks a lot. On Jul 25, 2014, at 18:32 , Martin Geddes m...@martingeddes.com wrote: So what is ΔQ and how do you compute it (to the extent it is a computed

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Wes, On Jul 25, 2014, at 22:48 , Wes Felter w...@felter.org wrote: The Netgear stock firmware measures bandwidth on every boot or link up (not sure which) and I would suggest doing the same for CeroWRT. Do you need to measure Internet bandwidth or last mile bandwidth? I think

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 25, 2014, at 22:57 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014, Wes Felter wrote: The Netgear stock firmware measures bandwidth on every boot or link up (not sure which) and I would suggest doing the same for CeroWRT. Do you need to measure Internet bandwidth

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 25, 2014, at 23:03 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:37:34 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2014 10:02:53 -0400, R. said: Further, this function could be auto-scheduled or made enabled on router boot up. Yeah, if such a thing

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Valdis, On Jul 26, 2014, at 00:29 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:20:53 -0700, David Lang said: cost of bandwidth for this is just something to get someone to pay for (ideally someone with tons of bandwidth already who won't notice this sort of test, even if

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
of this in public, which is an ongoing process. Martin On 25 July 2014 16:58, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Martin, thanks for the pointers, On Jul 25, 2014, at 16:25 , Martin Geddes m...@martingeddes.com wrote: You may find the following useful background

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 26, 2014, at 23:14 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:21 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 25, 2014, at 22:57 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:53 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 01:26 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: But I think that what we are seeing from teh results of the bufferbloat work is that a properly configured

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 26, 2014, at 23:45 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:39 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: by how much tuning is required, I wasn't meaning how frequently to tune, but how close default settings can

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 27, 2014, at 00:23 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: [...] I'm not worried about an implementation existing as much as the question of if it's on the routers/switches by default, and if it isn't, is the service simple enough to be able to avoid causing load on these devices

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 27, 2014, at 00:30 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:53 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 01:26 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 27, 2014, at 00:53 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi David, On Jul 26, 2014, at 23:45 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:39 , David Lang da

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-27 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 27, 2014, at 00:24 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:39 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: by how much tuning is required, I wasn't meaning how frequently to tune

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-27 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, On Jul 27, 2014, at 02:49 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 27, 2014, at 00:53 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi David, On Jul 26, 2014, at 23:45 , David Lang da

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-27 Thread Sebastian Moeller
On Jul 27, 2014, at 03:04 , David Lang da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: [...] Think of the router ASICs that handle the 'normal' traffic in the ASIC in the card, but 'unusual' traffic needs to be sent to the core CPU to be processed and is therefor

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Marketing problems

2014-07-27 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Jonathan, On Jul 27, 2014, at 15:00 , Jonathan Morton chromati...@gmail.com wrote: A marketing number? Well, as we know, consumers respond best to bigger is better statistics. So anything reporting delay or ratio in the ways mentioned so far is doomed to failure - even if we convince

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] DSL devices?

2014-07-28 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, hope you had a great time... On Jul 28, 2014, at 20:59 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: There are a LOT of dsl capable devices in openwrt barrier breaker. I am curious if anyone has tried one of late? I just got back from farmstock, and as effective as software rate limiting

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-08-01 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi MIchael, On Aug 1, 2014, at 06:51 , Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: No idea? How would you test this (any command line to try). The good thingg with the ping is that often even the DSLAM responds keeping external sources (i.e

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-08-01 Thread Sebastian Moeller
HI Michael, On Aug 1, 2014, at 06:21 , Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: On symmetric links, particularly PPP ones, one can use the LCP layer to do echo requests to the first layer-3 device. This can be used to measure RTT and through some math, the bandwidth. Sure.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bug #442] status?

2014-08-16 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi R. what is the output of: cat sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/ath9k/queues and cat sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy1/ath9k/queues when it gets stuck? I wonder whether you see the actual same bug as #442 or some other bug. (I think the current theory is that a number of bugs contributed to

[Cerowrt-devel] some 3.10.50-1 issues

2014-08-22 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi List, I just noticed that we have a few issues (we probably inherited from upstream). I hope that these are be fixed upstream already, but wanted to report them nevertheless… This is after a modest uptime: root@nacktmulle:~# uptime 11:44:00 up 20:21, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.04 And

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Status of SQM-Scripts integration into OpenWRT Barrier Breaker?

2014-08-25 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Toke hi Frits, just a few small things to add to Toke’s... On Aug 25, 2014, at 14:53 , Toke Høiland-Jørgensen t...@toke.dk wrote: Frits Riep r...@riepnet.com writes: I may be misunderstanding, but I thought this was a goal. Am I incorrect, or have the plans changed? Don't think the

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-08-29 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Aaron, On Aug 29, 2014, at 18:57 , Aaron Wood wood...@gmail.com wrote: Comcast has upped the download rates in my area, from 50Mbps to 100Mbps. This morning I tried to find the limit of the WNDR3800. And I found it. 50Mbps is still well within capabilities, 100Mbps isn't. And as

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-02 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Jonathan, hi List, On Sep 1, 2014, at 23:43 , Jonathan Morton chromati...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 Sep, 2014, at 11:25 pm, Aaron Wood wrote: But this doesn't really answer the question of why the WNDR has so much lower a ceiling with shaping than without. The G4 is powerful enough that

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-03 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Aaron, On Sep 3, 2014, at 17:12 , Aaron Wood wood...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Jonathan Morton chromati...@gmail.com wrote: Given that the CPU load is confirmed as high, the pcap probably isn't as useful. The rest would be interesting to look at. Are you able

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-04 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Sep 3, 2014, at 21:30 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Aaron, On Sep 3, 2014, at 17:12 , Aaron Wood wood...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Jonathan Morton chromati

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels - WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-04 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Jonathan, On Sep 4, 2014, at 13:15 , Jonathan Morton chromati...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 Sep, 2014, at 10:04 am, Sebastian Moeller wrote: IPv6 NOTE: Everyone with a real dual-stack IPv6 and IPv4 connection to the internet (so not tunneled over IPv4) and an ATM-based DSL connection

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Possible Bug(s) in Cero 3.10.50-1

2014-09-14 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, hi List, On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:45 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: One of the features of the work going on in the ubnt beta forums was the discovery that you can create named ifb interfaces. So we could switch sqm to a 1 to 1 mapping of ge00-ifb, se00-ifb, etc. and thus

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Correctly calculating overheads on unknown connections

2014-09-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, hi Andy, ping_sweeper6.sh Description: Binary data On Sep 20, 2014, at 19:55 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: We'd had a very long thread on cerowrt-devel and in the end sebastian (I think) had developed some scripts to exaustively (it took hours) derive the right

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Correctly calculating overheads on unknown connections

2014-09-23 Thread Sebastian Moeller
H Alan, On Sep 23, 2014, at 01:02 , Alan Goodman notificati...@yescomputersolutions.com wrote: On 22/09/14 20:52, Sebastian Moeller wrote: This test was ran on a BT Infinity VDSL/FTTC connection with the modem plugged directly into a CentOS 6 machine which is doing PPPoE. The connection

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Correctly calculating overheads on unknown connections

2014-09-23 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Andy, On Sep 23, 2014, at 21:05 , Andy Furniss adf.li...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi Andy, On Sep 23, 2014, at 17:10 , Andy Furniss adf.li...@gmail.com wrote: BUT if you look at the kernel code, stab does not automatically include the ethernet overhead, so

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [OpenWrt-Devel] [RFC PATCH] packages: Smart Queue Management for AQM Packet Scheduling and Qos from CeroWrt

2014-10-02 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Weedy, On Oct 2, 2014, at 05:46 , Alpha Sparc alphasp...@gmail.com wrote: How good is the throughput on CeroWrt compared to OpenWrt ? I assume you are talking about the pure routing performance with no firewall/NAT and traffic-shaping involved? I think they pretty much are equal

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] better ingress shaping somehow

2014-10-03 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, On Oct 3, 2014, at 01:07 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: [cut a lot...] But: the real killer, on ingress shaping, is the call to skb_clone in sch_ingress-act_mirred path, I think. So I thought that we basically have around 50Mbps “shaping-capability” on the wndrs

[Cerowrt-devel] paging all SQM users on PPPoE links...

2014-10-05 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, hi list, I just checked in a modification to luci-app-sqm that should allow to select PPPoE interfaces like pppeo-ge00 from the “interface name” drop down menu in SQM’s luci GUI. To be honest this interface box now presents everything in /sys/class/net, including a few gems like all

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [OpenWrt-Devel] [RFC PATCH] packages: Smart Queue Management for AQM Packet Scheduling and Qos from CeroWrt

2014-10-06 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Richard, On Oct 6, 2014, at 18:02 , Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: On 10/02/2014 10:05 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: I assume you are talking about the pure routing performance with no firewall/NAT and traffic-shaping involved? I think they pretty much are equal

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Other router models for OpenWireless deployment

2014-10-09 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Ragna, On Oct 9, 2014, at 01:51 , Ranga Krishnan ra...@eff.org wrote: As folks on this list might know the OpenWireless project at EFF adopted CeroWRT as a base for the hacker release of the OpenWireless router in July -- which as a result is based on the WNDR 3800. Thanks very much

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [OpenWrt-Devel] [RFC PATCH] packages: Smart Queue Management for AQM Packet Scheduling and Qos from CeroWrt

2014-10-09 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Richard, On Oct 9, 2014, at 18:42 , Richard Smith smithb...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/06/2014 03:41 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: I have spare routers that I can run OpenWRT or CeroWRt on and I'm setup to test with netperf, netperf-wrapper on my local network ( desktop - router - laptop

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [OpenWrt-Devel] [RFC PATCH] packages: Smart Queue Management for AQM Packet Scheduling and Qos from CeroWrt

2014-10-09 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Ooops, On Oct 9, 2014, at 20:13 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: 3.3 is obsolete, use 3.10. What Dave says, I should have actually looked at the copied link… Sorry Sebastian On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Richard, On Oct 9

[Cerowrt-devel] next round of SQM changes

2014-10-09 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi List, I am again in need of testers for SQM. So far SQM tried to deduce from /etc/config/sqm which interfaces it potentially needed to stop itself on, which did not work very reliably, since it is easy to just change the interface name in an existing config file and all traces of the

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [OpenWrt-Devel] [RFC PATCH] packages: Smart Queue Management for AQM Packet Scheduling and Qos from CeroWrt

2014-10-09 Thread Sebastian Moeller
/~cero2/cerowrt/wndr/3.10.50-1/packages to /etc/opkg.conf but I do not know the exact incantation of that, maybe hnyman, or Dave know the correct answer to this.. Best Regards Sebastian Regards, Luis Garcia On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: next round of SQM changes

2014-10-09 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Valdis, On Oct 9, 2014, at 22:54 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:37:30 +0200, Sebastian Moeller said: I am again in need of testers for SQM. Sure, what's needed to get the testable bits onto a 3.10.50-1 box? The attached archaic contains all SQM related files

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] SQM and PPPoE, more questions than answers...

2014-10-14 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi All, some more testing: On Oct 12, 2014, at 01:12 , Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, just to document my current understanding of using SQM on a router that also terminates a pppoe wan connection. We basically have two options either set up SQM on the real interface (let’s

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] SQM and PPPoE, more questions than answers...

2014-10-15 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Edwin, On Oct 15, 2014, at 14:02 , Török Edwin edwin+ml-cero...@etorok.net wrote: On 10/15/2014 03:03 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: I guess it is back to the drawing board to figure out how to speed up the classification… and then revisit the PPPoE question again… FWIW I had

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Routing limit question

2014-10-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Ernesto, I would recommend to not run the netperf processes on the router you want to assess, if possible. Shaping at the rates you are interested in probably will take 100% CPU of the router, so there is no slack for running net server and netperf instances at the same time. Also I would

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Routing limit question

2014-10-20 Thread Sebastian Moeller
if you could document the whole procedure somehow so we could put it somewhere on the net to make it easier in the future... Best Regards Sebastian On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Ernesto, I would recommend to not run the netperf

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Routing limit question

2014-10-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
be twiddled with also to make powerboost's behavior better, but I've not seen it work. Best Regards Sebastian On Oct 19, 2014, at 21:27 , Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: Yes fiddling with burst seems to make sense. Try 16k On Oct 19, 2014 11:56 AM, Sebastian Moeller

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Routing limit question

2014-10-22 Thread Sebastian Moeller
the netperf-wrapper repository. Thanks a lot… Sebastian It said too many arguments... What do I do now? On Oct 21, 2014 4:23 AM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Ernesto, so I would recommend to first install git from a terminal in your ubuntu virtual machine

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Routing limit question

2014-10-24 Thread Sebastian Moeller
python-qt4 python-matplotlib Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package fping E: Unable to locate package python-matplotlib On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Ernesto

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] how's everybody's uptime?

2014-11-08 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi leetminiwheat (nice handle by the way ;) ) On Nov 6, 2014, at 16:45 , leetminiwheat leetminiwh...@gmail.com wrote: 3.10.50-1 uptime/stability report: using as primary gw router for a few months now. primary net usage: gaming, and routing net to cable TV boxes via FiOS provided MoCA

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Torrents are too fast

2014-11-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dane, On Nov 20, 2014, at 15:13 , Dane Medic dm7...@gmail.com wrote: dpreed, thank you for response. I'm already using fq_codel with cerowrt and I don't think it does what I want (or maybe I want too much :) So the steps I've made: flashed wndr3700v2 with cerowrt 3.10.50-1 then I've

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Torrents are too fast

2014-11-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
HI Dane hi Dave, On Nov 20, 2014, at 17:25 , Dane Medic dm7...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for advice Dave. I'm just looking around how to set-up layer 7 inspection, I've also found this - http://luci.subsignal.org/trac/browser/luci/trunk/contrib/package/freifunk-p2pblock?rev= It would be

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Torrents are too fast

2014-11-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
can push this without destroying latency under load... sqm.ge00.enabled=1 Thank you guys, Dane 2014-11-21 12:16 GMT+01:00 Sebastian Moeller moell...@gmx.de: Hi Dane, On Nov 20, 2014, at 15:13 , Dane Medic dm7...@gmail.com wrote: dpreed, thank you for response. I'm already using

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