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Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router world,
still?
Just a note - a lot of this mess is due to China's rapid dev cycles and
race to the bottom on cost vs supply.
Generally a fab house who is in turn contracted by an OEM in China will
have 1 maybe 2 engin
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote:
How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router software
initiative?
https://prplfoundation.org/2016/07/18/prpl-foundation-adds-carrier-interest-group-to-shape-the-future-of-smart-home-technology/
But it's based off of
Just a note - a lot of this mess is due to China's rapid dev cycles and
race to the bottom on cost vs supply.
Generally a fab house who is in turn contracted by an OEM in China will
have 1 maybe 2 engineers who will do the initial low level C bits required
for a product/board. They get it working
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:48 AM dpr...@deepplum.com wrote:
>
> How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router
> software initiative?
We tried. Personally, having bled out mentally and financially more
than once, I am not up to trying again. They don't return our calls
How would one get Linux Foundation to raise money to sponsor a router software
initiative?
I can see that all the current network product OEMs might mass up to kill it or
make it fail. Kind of like coreboot vs. UEFI.
But maybe Facebook or Amazon or Google - dedicated white-box fan companies -
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:13:47 -0400, "dpr...@deepplum.com" said:
> Maybe one could even start with a Linux kernel, but only that. Init() would
> be entirely different, and only a subset would be used. The ABI would be
> extended for simpler user space coding of device, network, ... logic that
>
> On 26 Jul, 2018, at 11:53 am, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>
> they seem to live in a world where you take a linux kernel that's announced
> as LTS (in the best of worlds), work on that for 1-2 years during which you
> release an SDK, which then the device manufacturers will take and start
>
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote:
Why not now?
Problem I am seeing is that there aren't enough abstraction frameworks,
and creating these might take years. I saw Linus argued against ARM
developers who kept coming with their SoC-unique patch-sets, and told them
to go home and
"Dave Taht"
Cc: "Dave Taht" , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] So how far behind is the embedded router
world,still?
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018, Dave Taht wrote:
> There are still a few companies alive in this space (openrg being
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018, Dave Taht wrote:
There are still a few companies alive in this space (openrg being one
that I know nothing about), but...
There is no single answer to this. Lots of the home routing SoC space is
now converging on 4.4, but BCM decided to go for 4.1. They came from 3.2,
I've surveyed firmware twice; once at the beginning of the bufferbloat
effort and most recently again a couple or three years ago. The first time
was with 3-4 routers, and the second time 5-6 routers.
The typical *minimum* age of any software package inside for the vendors I
happened to choose
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:50:31 -0700, Dave Taht said:
> I recent
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:50:31 -0700, Dave Taht said:
> I recently took apart verizon FIOS's current firmware for one of their
> more popular routers. It's still running 2.6.21, which shipped in
> june, 2007. Overgeneralizing from this one data point, I am wondering
> if the trendline for new
back in 2011, 2012 jim and I and others looked hard at the kernels and
software being sold then to end-users.
We concluded that the embedded router world was running 5-7 years
behind linux mainline, sometimes as much as 10, and that the embedded
linux world had been decimated by the great
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