Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:26 AM, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/3-easy-tips-to-fix-constant-buffering/ > > It's distressing how little the tech press understands the real problem. Yea, that one is pretty sad. It still remains a field of active academic research:

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Michael Richardson
dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > I blame IETF members, individually and collectively. If ietf exists for > any reason other than as a boondoggle for world travel, it's for > resolving issues like this one. Slightly fair. A thing that I tried to get ISOC's "deploy360" to do was to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Dave Taht
From a ton of memes at: https://me.me/t/buffering "Dear youtube: I can deal with ads I can deal with buffer But when ads buffer, I suffer" and innumerable others, some NSFW https://me.me/i/16133421 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: >

[Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/3-easy-tips-to-fix-constant-buffering/ It's distressing how little the tech press understands the real problem. Of course, cable companies like Charter and ATT who have mostly DOCSIS 2 gear deployed can't admit to their plant being bloat-causing. In fact it

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
I have been one of the most prominent advocates of network neutrality. I'm constantly informing my friends and the press about "buffering" not being related to neutrality at all. I think that's the best we can do. Packet neutrality is actually a key part of the Internet's design, pushing

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 1:43 am, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > > So, no, the Network Neutrality people are NOT the problem with Bufferbloat. No, but I think it's fair to point towards corporate greed and political ignorance as common causes of both problems. - Jonathan Morton

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Dave Taht
I will be in D.C., presenting https://www.cs.kau.se/tohojo/cake/ - next week. If there are people to see, asses to kick or kiss, I'm up for it, let me know. Presently I just plan to give my talk and get the heck out of dodge. One of cake's "minor" features is the *perfect* defeat of the htb

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
No doubt. However, sometimes one can get powerful economic forces to support good ideas. The entire telecom industry was going after the Internet as a concept fiercely in the days of "dialup" Internet access. Trying to get the government to allow them to price it out of existence, trying