Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-19 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:34 pm, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > Do we have a good cookbook on how to determine the set-rate? On DSL, the sync rates in each direction should usually be readable from the modem; they are typically reported on the router's status page. The advertised rate is

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Well, On June 19, 2018 10:34:07 PM GMT+02:00, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:46:18 -0700, Dave Taht said: > >> One of cake's "minor" features is the *perfect* defeat of the htb >> based shaper in cable modems. If you know the set-rate on the modem, >> you just set it to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-19 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:46:18 -0700, Dave Taht said: > One of cake's "minor" features is the *perfect* defeat of the htb > based shaper in cable modems. If you know the set-rate on the modem, > you just set it to the same thing and get vastly superior performance to > docsis 3.1, pie, or the

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-19 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
good rant! -Original Message- From: "Dave Taht" Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 3:33pm To: "dpr...@deepplum.com" Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, "bloat" Subject: Re: Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies Well, I ranted:

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-19 Thread Dave Taht
Well, I ranted: http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/net_neutrality_isps/ I am thinking a string of shorter pieces aimed directly at customers, reviewers, politicians, etc might do a bit more good than the gargantuan things jim tends to do. On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 6:46 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > I will be

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Dave Taht
I will be in D.C., presenting https://www.cs.kau.se/tohojo/cake/ - next week. If there are people to see, asses to kick or kiss, I'm up for it, let me know. Presently I just plan to give my talk and get the heck out of dodge. One of cake's "minor" features is the *perfect* defeat of the htb

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread dpr...@deepplum.com
I have been one of the most prominent advocates of network neutrality. I'm constantly informing my friends and the press about "buffering" not being related to neutrality at all. I think that's the best we can do. Packet neutrality is actually a key part of the Internet's design, pushing

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Dave Taht
From a ton of memes at: https://me.me/t/buffering "Dear youtube: I can deal with ads I can deal with buffer But when ads buffer, I suffer" and innumerable others, some NSFW https://me.me/i/16133421 On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: >

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Michael Richardson
dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > I blame IETF members, individually and collectively. If ietf exists for > any reason other than as a boondoggle for world travel, it's for > resolving issues like this one. Slightly fair. A thing that I tried to get ISOC's "deploy360" to do was to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies

2018-06-18 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:26 AM, dpr...@deepplum.com wrote: > https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/3-easy-tips-to-fix-constant-buffering/ > > It's distressing how little the tech press understands the real problem. Yea, that one is pretty sad. It still remains a field of active academic research: