Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-28 Thread Aaron Rouse
Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Developer http://blog.cutterscrossing.com The best way to predict the future is to help create it Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Mon, 27 Aug

RE: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-28 Thread Robb Foster
8/28/2007 7:21 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC Was not meant as an insult. I have two good friends who joined the armed forces and later after leaving became programmers. One was just a couple credits shy of having a degree upon leaving

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-28 Thread Steve Runyon
This is certainly going OT from the original subject of the thread, but what the heck - if this isn't the place for it I don't know what is. True confession time: I wish I'd taken time off between HS and college. Exposure to the real world - and the undesirability of making a living digging

Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Susan Gardner
VERIAN TECHNOLOGIES, INC., a leading provider of Purchasing and Invoice Automation Solutions, is seeking an experienced Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer in the Charlotte metro area to join our team. Our RD organization is focused on the production of an enterprise suite of applications for our

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Phillip M. Vector
CF-Jobs is for job postings. CF-Jobs-Talk is for talking about how recruiters tend not to follow the directions on Webpages telling them where to post jobs. Also, the Degrees needed... Yeah.. Good luck with that. :) ~| Download

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Crow T. Robot
What's wrong with asking for a minimum of a bachelors in a technical field? I thought that was a pretty common requirement... On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CF-Jobs is for job postings. CF-Jobs-Talk is for talking about how recruiters tend not to follow the directions

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Aaron Rouse
Most jobs I have applied for required a 4 degree and some did prefer a masters. Seems to be happening more and more these days. Matter of fact the sole reason I have been doing contract work for 6+ years for the same company is because they require a 4 year degree and I am a year or two away

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread sherri sonnier
Wow... if you have been contracting with them for 6 years only because you did not have your degree. Not cool. I would look into that On 8/27/07, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most jobs I have applied for required a 4 degree and some did prefer a masters. Seems to be happening more

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Aaron Rouse
Most big companies pay people based upon their education level combined with other factors. So if you lack pieces of what is required then your pay grade goes down. I would make a significant amount less if I took a full time job without a 4 year degree(I have a 2 year one, but that is

RE: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Levi Wallach
://wallachexpressions.smugmug.com/Levi http://wallachexpressions.smugmug.com/Levi From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/27/07 11:50 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC Well, I haven't seen

RE: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Levi Wallach
://wallachexpressions.smugmug.com/Levi From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/27/07 12:00 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC Most big companies pay people based upon their education level combined with other

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Douglas Knudsen
On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crow T. Robot wrote: What's wrong with asking for a minimum of a bachelors in a technical field? I thought that was a pretty common requirement... Well, I haven't seen it much, but then again, I don't have one, so perhaps I just

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Phillip M. Vector
Douglas Knudsen wrote: That said, you can certainly learn all these things OTJ or as a hobby, but I wouldn't just wave aside this knowledge. Heck, a few world famous Mathematicians were actually hobbyists, Fermat for example. I am sorry for not being more clear on what I was thinking. I

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread sherri sonnier
;-0 My only point was that I was surprised that you were limited by a company you'd worked for for 6+ years. I would think that after a few years, they would want to make the investment in you as an employee. Generally, companies want the degree but also want the experience. After 6 years,

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Aaron Rouse
Anything can be learned, but on the job I have not learned any of the things I was thinking about in my prior email. I have been doing this specific work for around a decade now and I work with people who have been doing it a good bit longer than that, those people IMHO have not learned anywhere

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Aaron Rouse
I would have thought the same but experience has taught me otherwise. Looking around some I have learned this is not the only big company with some similar HR rules. I have had HR tell me two times in the past 2-3 years when I was recommended for full time jobs that after looking into it the pay

RE: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread gary
a degree. But I hope your life could be fuller than that. BA '65 -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:22 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC I think you're missing

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
In today's environment, someone who went through college in 4 years would strike me as extremely committed and driven. Most people I went to school with were in for longer than that, even though the degree was officially a 4 year degree. That said, I don't think the degree argument is

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Something else that happens is that HR people who expect to get a lot of applications for a given job will include the educational requirement just to cut down on applicants, or as an easy means to rule applicants out without reading more than the education section of their resume. While this

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Steve Runyon
. But I hope your life could be fuller than that. BA '65 -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:22 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC I think you're missing

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Bryan Stevenson
If you want to go through life only able to discuss what you saw during NASCAR on tv yesterday, and what you know in computing, then yes, you don't need a degree. But I hope your life could be fuller than that. BA '65 Alife has now been revealedif you didn't go to school you

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Bryan Stevenson
In today's environment, someone who went through college in 4 years would strike me as extremely committed and driven. Most people I went to school with were in for longer than that, even though the degree was officially a 4 year degree. That said, I don't think the degree argument is

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Bryan Stevenson
And lest any argumentational stone be unturned, I'll point out that you can still be well-educated and informed without a post-secondary degree, or even a high school diploma - in the Internet age it's all about the person and one's desire and ability to learn, not necessarily time spent in a

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
Bryan Stevenson wrote: In today's environment, someone who went through college in 4 years would strike me as extremely committed and driven. Most people I went to school with were in for longer than that, even though the degree was officially a 4 year degree. That said, I don't think the

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
Jeffry Houser wrote: Bryan Stevenson wrote: Going to school for a degree just means jumping through hoops and paying way too much for it to me. I believe a lot of people go to college w/o a focus, and that I spaced. Going to college w/o a focus seems like a waste of time / energy /

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Bryan Stevenson
I spaced. Going to college w/o a focus seems like a waste of time / energy / money. I wouldn't recommend it. But, if you have agood idea of why you're going, go for it. Yepand it's not like I didin't pick a focus (business), but even that I knew before junior high. I wentI had

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
A lot of kids coming out of high school rarely have a real idea of what they want. When I did undergrad advising, it was suggested to me that the students get as broad of a coverage in their first and second years (freshman and junior to Americans). While officially the reason was the University's

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Douglas Knudsen
On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeffry Houser wrote: Bryan Stevenson wrote: Going to school for a degree just means jumping through hoops and paying way too much for it to me. I believe a lot of people go to college w/o a focus, and that I spaced. Going to

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Jeffry Houser
Douglas Knudsen wrote: On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeffry Houser wrote: Bryan Stevenson wrote: Going to school for a degree just means jumping through hoops and paying way too much for it to me. I believe a lot of people go to college w/o a focus, and that I

Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC

2007-08-27 Thread Aaron Rouse
Join the military, just try not to join a branch that will make ya a bullet stopper On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still, I think it is an expensive way to gain a focus. Surely there must be more cost effective ways?