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Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC
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To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com
Date: Mon, 27 Aug
8/28/2007 7:21 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC
Was not meant as an insult. I have two good friends who joined the armed
forces and later after leaving became programmers. One was just a couple
credits shy of having a degree upon leaving
This is certainly going OT from the original subject of the thread, but what
the heck - if this isn't the place for it I don't know what is.
True confession time: I wish I'd taken time off between HS and college.
Exposure to the real world - and the undesirability of making a living
digging
VERIAN TECHNOLOGIES, INC., a leading provider of Purchasing and Invoice
Automation Solutions, is seeking an experienced Sr. ColdFusion Software
Engineer in the Charlotte metro area to join our team. Our RD organization is
focused on the production of an enterprise suite of applications for our
CF-Jobs is for job postings.
CF-Jobs-Talk is for talking about how recruiters tend not to follow the
directions on Webpages telling them where to post jobs.
Also, the Degrees needed... Yeah.. Good luck with that. :)
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What's wrong with asking for a minimum of a bachelors in a technical field?
I thought that was a pretty common requirement...
On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
CF-Jobs is for job postings.
CF-Jobs-Talk is for talking about how recruiters tend not to follow the
directions
Most jobs I have applied for required a 4 degree and some did prefer a
masters. Seems to be happening more and more these days. Matter of fact
the sole reason I have been doing contract work for 6+ years for the same
company is because they require a 4 year degree and I am a year or two away
Wow... if you have been contracting with them for 6 years only because you
did not have your degree. Not cool. I would look into that
On 8/27/07, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most jobs I have applied for required a 4 degree and some did prefer a
masters. Seems to be happening more
Most big companies pay people based upon their education level combined with
other factors. So if you lack pieces of what is required then your pay
grade goes down. I would make a significant amount less if I took a full
time job without a 4 year degree(I have a 2 year one, but that is
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http://wallachexpressions.smugmug.com/Levi
From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 8/27/07 11:50 AM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC
Well, I haven't seen
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From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 8/27/07 12:00 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC
Most big companies pay people based upon their education level combined with
other
On 8/27/07, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Crow T. Robot wrote:
What's wrong with asking for a minimum of a bachelors in a technical
field?
I thought that was a pretty common requirement...
Well, I haven't seen it much, but then again, I don't have one, so
perhaps I just
Douglas Knudsen wrote:
That said, you can certainly learn all these things OTJ or as a hobby, but I
wouldn't just wave aside this knowledge. Heck, a few world famous
Mathematicians were actually hobbyists, Fermat for example.
I am sorry for not being more clear on what I was thinking. I
;-0
My only point was that I was surprised that you were limited by a company
you'd worked for for 6+ years.
I would think that after a few years, they would want to make the investment
in you as an employee.
Generally, companies want the degree but also want the experience. After 6
years,
Anything can be learned, but on the job I have not learned any of the things
I was thinking about in my prior email. I have been doing this specific
work for around a decade now and I work with people who have been doing it a
good bit longer than that, those people IMHO have not learned anywhere
I would have thought the same but experience has taught me otherwise.
Looking around some I have learned this is not the only big company with
some similar HR rules. I have had HR tell me two times in the past 2-3
years when I was recommended for full time jobs that after looking into it
the pay
a degree. But I hope your life could be fuller than that.
BA '65
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:22 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC
I think you're missing
In today's environment, someone who went through college in 4 years
would strike me as extremely committed and driven. Most people I went
to school with were in for longer than that, even though the degree was
officially a 4 year degree.
That said, I don't think the degree argument is
Something else that happens is that HR people who expect to get a lot of
applications for a given job will include the educational requirement just
to cut down on applicants, or as an easy means to rule applicants out
without reading more than the education section of their resume. While this
. But I hope your life could be fuller than that.
BA '65
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:22 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Sr. ColdFusion Software Engineer Needed - Charlotte, NC
I think you're missing
If you want to go through life only able to discuss what you saw during
NASCAR on tv yesterday, and what you know in computing, then yes, you don't
need a degree. But I hope your life could be fuller than that.
BA '65
Alife has now been revealedif you didn't go to school you
In today's environment, someone who went through college in 4 years
would strike me as extremely committed and driven. Most people I went
to school with were in for longer than that, even though the degree was
officially a 4 year degree.
That said, I don't think the degree argument is
And lest any argumentational stone be unturned, I'll point out that you can
still be well-educated and informed without a post-secondary degree, or even
a high school diploma - in the Internet age it's all about the person
and one's desire and ability to learn, not necessarily time spent in a
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
In today's environment, someone who went through college in 4 years
would strike me as extremely committed and driven. Most people I went
to school with were in for longer than that, even though the degree was
officially a 4 year degree.
That said, I don't think the
Jeffry Houser wrote:
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
Going to school for a degree just means jumping through hoops and
paying way too much for it to me.
I believe a lot of people go to college w/o a focus, and that
I spaced.
Going to college w/o a focus seems like a waste of time / energy /
I spaced.
Going to college w/o a focus seems like a waste of time / energy /
money. I wouldn't recommend it. But, if you have agood idea of why
you're going, go for it.
Yepand it's not like I didin't pick a focus (business), but even that I
knew
before junior high.
I wentI had
A lot of kids coming out of high school rarely have a real idea of
what they want. When I did undergrad advising, it was suggested to me
that the students get as broad of a coverage in their first and second
years (freshman and junior to Americans). While officially the reason
was the University's
On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeffry Houser wrote:
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
Going to school for a degree just means jumping through hoops and
paying way too much for it to me.
I believe a lot of people go to college w/o a focus, and that
I spaced.
Going to
Douglas Knudsen wrote:
On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeffry Houser wrote:
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
Going to school for a degree just means jumping through hoops and
paying way too much for it to me.
I believe a lot of people go to college w/o a focus, and that
I
Join the military, just try not to join a branch that will make ya a bullet
stopper
On 8/27/07, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Still, I think it is an expensive way to gain a focus. Surely there
must be more cost effective ways?
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