Re: Salary change when rolling permanent
65+ also depends on your Market area, in DC thats believable but in Ohio I wouldn't expect to see 65+ very often. As for CFunited if I go I'll dig around the cats litter box and clean off my .NET shirt and wear it :) Adam H On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:59:29 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha ... well I have never made it to one of those conventions so have not been able to wittness such hecklers. I am planning to go to CFUnited this year though, so maybe I could dig up some odd-ball shirt and be That Guy I doubt there are many CF people just flat out rolling in dough. :) I make decent money with my current 9-5 contract, though the net 50 terms really hurt to this day. Then on top of that I try to do small contracts for people, not really for the money, though it is nice to get, but more so for exposure to different styles, needs, etc. On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:09:54 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always become a heckler. Maybe you can be that Guy who was wearing a BlueDragon T-Shirt at Max. I don't want to give the impression that I'm rolling in dough, though. I don't make $100 an hour. Many days I'm just happy to be working at all. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2285 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Salary change when rolling permanent
So you will be That stinky guy ? On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 06:59:59 -0500, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 65+ also depends on your Market area, in DC thats believable but in Ohio I wouldn't expect to see 65+ very often. As for CFunited if I go I'll dig around the cats litter box and clean off my .NET shirt and wear it :) Adam H On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:59:29 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha ... well I have never made it to one of those conventions so have not been able to wittness such hecklers. I am planning to go to CFUnited this year though, so maybe I could dig up some odd-ball shirt and be That Guy I doubt there are many CF people just flat out rolling in dough. :) I make decent money with my current 9-5 contract, though the net 50 terms really hurt to this day. Then on top of that I try to do small contracts for people, not really for the money, though it is nice to get, but more so for exposure to different styles, needs, etc. On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:09:54 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always become a heckler. Maybe you can be that Guy who was wearing a BlueDragon T-Shirt at Max. I don't want to give the impression that I'm rolling in dough, though. I don't make $100 an hour. Many days I'm just happy to be working at all. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2286 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Salary change when rolling permanent
Well, I had just finished working a tech support job for a year to help make ends meet while looking for a CF job, so I wasn't in a mood to argue :) - Original Message - From: Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Jobs-Talk cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Salary change when rolling permanent Of course you could have probably gotten more... Never throw out your best offer first. First rule of negotiating. :-) At 05:08 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote: Yes. Definitely let them make you an offer. When I was brought on permanently at my current job, they made me an offer first. Turns out the offer was a 28% increase in what I was already making. They asked if that was acceptable and I asked where I needed to sign. :) ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2287 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Salary change when rolling permanent
I can't blame you for that. It is hard on the job seeker. How often do we get to negotiate a new job? Maybe once every 3-5 years. How often does an HR person negotiate a position? Probably a few times a week. At 09:21 AM 2/18/2005, you wrote: Well, I had just finished working a tech support job for a year to help make ends meet while looking for a CF job, so I wasn't in a mood to argue :) - Original Message - From: Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Jobs-Talk cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Salary change when rolling permanent Of course you could have probably gotten more... Never throw out your best offer first. First rule of negotiating. :-) At 05:08 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote: Yes. Definitely let them make you an offer. When I was brought on permanently at my current job, they made me an offer first. Turns out the offer was a 28% increase in what I was already making. They asked if that was acceptable and I asked where I needed to sign. :) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2289 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Salary change when rolling permanent
The part that gets me is that HR should have no part in the employment process beyond paperwork filing. Why the appointment of technical positions is left to clueless HR people is beyond me, but HR seem to crave this power. When a job is opened the hiring manager should be told the budget range and it should be up to that person to decide how much the new hire is paid depending on the skills needed for the job, not personality match with the HR person. No offense intended to anyone here, just a general annoyance. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2290 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Salary change when rolling permanent
And here I thought that no one noticed when I wore my BD t-shirt. I did get a lot of reations when I wore an Allaire t-shirt though. larry On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:09:54 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always become a heckler. Maybe you can be that Guy who was wearing a BlueDragon T-Shirt at Max. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2291 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
