Re: Want to move into .Net?
moving this where it belongs. Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better technology. What sort of response did you expect he'd get? If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100% their perogative. I understand that they are currently on CF, so they want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them. That's fair. But to promote it as taking the next step professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have their right to it. But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 100% warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad originally using the tone they did. Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to. On Dec 20, 2007 6:49 PM, Jesse B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please forgive me Michael but I can't help but reply. Adrocknaphobia... you are a complete tool. If you were smart enough to know anything about .Net you would not have posted that worthless snippet of garbage. Seeings how CF is so easy for you then you should have a few days to spare to really dig into .Net and see what it's about. Microsoft provides far more support and far better dev tools to the .Net community than CF ever did or ever will. I am not a .Net programmer but I am smart enough to see what it has to offer to me as a developer. If at some point when you are not so narrow minded and have some worth while experience in both .Net and CF then and only then will you be able to make a comparison of the two that does not make you sound foolish. As far as Rapid Application Development I'll challenge your Dreamweaver/HomeSite/Eclipse/WhatEver against Visual Studio. I am pretty certain that in the right hands the latest version of VS will generate more code for more things then all of your tools together. Your inability to provide an educated comparison of CF to .Net is a pretty good indication of your severe short comings as a developer. Maybe you should have a talk with Mr Churvis, he can offer you a good comparison that may give you a different mind set. And lastly, the guy with .Net experience will have far more opportunity than yourself and also be able to earn a fair bit more money than you. Dear sir, I would love the opportunity to learn .NET! ColdFusion is just too easy and too powerful. My current employer thinks I'm lazy because I'd rather write fewer lines of code and finish my projects early. I used to take solace in the fact that as a ColdFusion developer I helped defined the Rapid Application Development movement and built some of the very first Rich Internet Applications (years before Flex and AJAX). But the recent launch of ColdFusion 8 is just too much! Now my boss is expecting me to leverage AJAX in addition to Flex and AIR, integrate with MS Exchange and .NET, build document driven applications with PDF, debug and performance tune existing applications with the built-in server monitor, generate images on the fly, etc. It's just too much! I'm tired of writing code once that can be accessed from anywhere. I want to write code that only gets deployed on Windows and only works in IE. Screw this write once, run anywhere, access from anywhere crap. It's too much power! I'm not Spiderman, I can't handle this responsibility! Sigh. It'll be great to become a .NET developer. With such a limited toolset, people won't expect much from me -Adam PS. Do they make Visual Studio for OSX? PSS. My resume is _not_ attached because ColdFusion pwns .NET! On Dec 20, 2007 4:44 PM, Sam Mandolfo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3500 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Want to move into .Net?
So you think I am a tool, your intitled to that opinion but no where in the original post does it mention .Net is better. If anything one might gather that they are assuming a CF developer learning .Net is taking ones career to the next level. I think it's pretty safe to say that if one only knows CF that adding another language to your tool set is in fact a great benefit to that developer, hence the Next Level comment. Or maybe they feel so strongly about their company that they are stating that by joining them is taking ones career to the next level? So before you flame the original poster you might re-read the original post with a clear mind and see if you can pick up where they are emplying .Net is better. I have read it 5 times and see nothing of the sort. So as a tool I might also ask that if a client handed you a spec for an application, after reading through it would you also insinuate functionality in said application because you choose to assume the writers intentions even though the spec does not mention it? moving this where it belongs. Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better technology. What sort of response did you expect he'd get? If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100% their perogative. I understand that they are currently on CF, so they want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them. That's fair. But to promote it as taking the next step professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have their right to it. But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 100% warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad originally using the tone they did. Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to. On Dec 20, 2007 6:49 PM, Jesse B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3501 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Want to move into .Net?
Charlie Griefer wrote: moving this where it belongs. Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better technology. What sort of response did you expect he'd get? I'd expect he'd get no responses. But on the other hand, it's not out of the realm of thought to think that there may be a few interested parties who work with both .NET and CF. Or a few who perceive that learning .NET is a good long term career move. If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100% their perogative. I understand that they are currently on CF, so they want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them. That's fair. But to promote it as taking the next step professionally Learning a new technology often is a next step or a professional programmer. Right? -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur, Software Developer, Author, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3503 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Want to move into .Net?
the take the next step professionally certainly could be taken at a promotion of .NET over CF... OR as a reference to the fact that anyone who's applying to his post is taking the next step, professionally. That is, after all, what you do anytime you change employers or careers, isn't it? Adam, I've got to say I was fairly shocked by what you wrote. Not for what it said so much as because it was you who wrote it. It's not surprising where your thoughts on the matter would be, given your employer and position there, but that's also what makes the aggressiveness of your response so surprising. I love CF, I don't think anyone would ever question that, but I would never berate a company or developer for using one technology over another. Sometimes there's good reason for using what you use. Yes, even when it's not CF. When there isn't a good reason and CF would have been a better choice, that approach doesn't do anyone any good - it certainly doesn't change anyone's decision to use a technology. What's worse, this is a guy posting employment opportunities. He may be a 3rd party recruiter, a manager, an HR employee, or any number of folks who could care less whether the position is .NET or CF... they may not even know the difference between the two. Either way, attacking the job poster certainly isn't going to make the company stop using .NET. I'm not sure what you hoped to gain? I also think it's worth noting that the position was for someone who knows CF but wants to learn .NET as that's the technology being used for new development. What's wrong with posting that position on CF-Jobs? Why would any CF developer NOT want to learn another skill? I wish I had the opportunity to learn more about tons of languages besides CF - I know I try my best to do so whenever the opportunity presents itself. That's how I grow, how I stay fresh, how I continue to become more marketable. What was is Sun Tzu said? Something like Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Knowing more about different languages also gives me a better perspective of and appreciation for ColdFusion. just my $0.02 ~Simon Simon Horwith Adobe Community Expert Adobe Certified Master Instructor http://www.horwith.com Jesse B wrote: So you think I am a tool, your intitled to that opinion but no where in the original post does it mention .Net is better. If anything one might gather that they are assuming a CF developer learning .Net is taking ones career to the next level. I think it's pretty safe to say that if one only knows CF that adding another language to your tool set is in fact a great benefit to that developer, hence the Next Level comment. Or maybe they feel so strongly about their company that they are stating that by joining them is taking ones career to the next level? So before you flame the original poster you might re-read the original post with a clear mind and see if you can pick up where they are emplying .Net is better. I have read it 5 times and see nothing of the sort. So as a tool I might also ask that if a client handed you a spec for an application, after reading through it would you also insinuate functionality in said application because you choose to assume the writers intentions even though the spec does not mention it? moving this where it belongs. Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better technology. What sort of response did you expect he'd get? If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100% their perogative. I understand that they are currently on CF, so they want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them. That's fair. But to promote it as taking the next step professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have their right to it. But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 100% warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad originally using the tone they did. Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to. On Dec 20, 2007 6:49 PM, Jesse B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3504 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Want to move into .Net?
Lighten up Greg. Quote Take the next step professionally and join an exceptional team. Software Engineering Services is a leading IT consulting company seeking individuals who want to come on board with a large Omaha, Nebraska client. End Quote If this guy is guilty of anything it's that he is assuming that his client is a better place to work than your current position. No where in that statement does it say .Net is better than CF nor would anyone be able to say that it assumes or insinuates that it is. So you think I am a tool, your intitled to that opinion but no where in the original post does it mention .Net is better. If anything one might gather that they are assuming a CF developer learning .Net is taking ones career to the next level. I think it's pretty safe to say that if one only knows CF that adding another language to your tool set is in fact a great benefit to that developer, hence the Next Level comment. Or maybe they feel so strongly about their company that they are stating that by joining them is taking ones career to the next level? So before you flame the original poster you might re-read the original post with a clear mind and see if you can pick up where they are emplying .Net is better. I have read it 5 times and see nothing of the sort. So as a tool I might also ask that if a client handed you a spec for an application, after reading through it would you also insinuate functionality in said application because you choose to assume the writers intentions even though the spec does not mention it? moving this where it belongs. Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better technology. What sort of response did you expect he'd get? If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100% their perogative. I understand that they are currently on CF, so they want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them. That's fair. But to promote it as taking the next step professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have their right to it. But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 100% warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad originally using the tone they did. Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to. On Dec 20, 2007 6:49 PM, Jesse B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3505 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Want to move into .Net?
to all: yes, i can see where the take the next step wasn't meant to imply that .NET was the next step *up* over ColdFusion. But... that's (obviously) how i originally read it. for the record, i would never in a million years tell somebody -not- to learn something new. it's all about being marketable and having more tools in your toolbelt. with that being said... if i was the original poster, i might have phrased the post a bit differently just to err on the side of caution. i took it one way (i won't say the wrong way because i still see how it can be taken either way), as did others (apparently). c'mon... would it have been so hard to have just said, Add a new tool to your tool belt? :) Charlie Griefer wrote: moving this where it belongs. Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better technology. What sort of response did you expect he'd get? I'd expect he'd get no responses. But on the other hand, it's not out of the realm of thought to think that there may be a few interested parties who work with both .NET and CF. Or a few who perceive that learning .NET is a good long term career move. If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100% their perogative. I understand that they are currently on CF, so they want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them. That's fair. But to promote it as taking the next step professionally Learning a new technology often is a next step or a professional programmer. Right? -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur, Software Developer, Author, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3506 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
