Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-15 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, first of all let me say that I truely appreciate the careful discussion my proposal has initiated. This indeed is probably the most convincing reason why CF has been accepted already in several parts of the community. Steve made a very nice distinction to clarify what my suggestio

[CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-13 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Martin et al Some quantities are so specific to a particular dataset or model that it would not be worth the effect of defining a standard name for them, since they will never be compared with data from another source, the main reason for standard names being to indicate which quantities shou

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-13 Thread Lowry, Roy K
om: cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu [cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of Nan Galbraith [ngalbra...@whoi.edu] Sent: 12 May 2010 20:35 To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names The original proposal was to include names that have been rejected

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-12 Thread Nan Galbraith
The original proposal was to include names that have been rejected by CF for being "too specialized" - these would be permanent parts of the project vocabulary, not deprecated. Many in situ instruments produce non-geophysical variables that fall into this category; although this isn't what Martin

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names -- CF alternative names

2010-05-12 Thread Steve Hankin
Hi John, Would it be right to think of the strategy you've outlined as an elaboration on "Alternative 1": Should the CF standard_name process, *itself*, include a "provisional fast-track", that allows names to be added very quickly with no guarantee that they will have a lasting statu

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names -- CF alternative names

2010-05-12 Thread John Graybeal
OK, now I have to submit my other notion after all, which I think addresses some of Steve's concerns. But let me semi-agree with his first paragraph -- I'm enthusiastic, but I think there are a lot of details to be agreed on. I'll come back to that in a separate post. I had thought it was imp

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-12 Thread Nan Galbraith
This seems like a good idea, but I have to disagree with one part of it. It looks like you want to change the CF convention so that a variable is not required to have either a long name or an un-prefixed standard name. This requirement seems like a very basic part of the standard to me, and one

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-12 Thread Steve Hankin
Hi Martin, You've had two enthusiastic "yes" responses, so I guess I have the privilege to be the wet blanket. So it goes. I will give only a very cautious and limited "yes". Not an outright "no" ... but a suggestion for more thought and discussion. The proposal here is effectively the c

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-12 Thread Lauret Olivier
.ucar.edu] De la part de John Graybeal Envoyé : mercredi 12 mai 2010 16:15 À : Schultz, Martin Cc : cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Objet : Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names Martin et al, I like this approach. I think this is an important addition to the CF concept, it supports much more s

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-12 Thread John Graybeal
Martin et al, I like this approach. I think this is an important addition to the CF concept, it supports much more scalability and encourages much more adoption. There may be some concern that is not immediately obvious to me, but I have been thinking about a complementary solution from the sem

[CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-12 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, we are currently cleaning all files on our TFHTAP multi-model experiment server to make them fully CF(1.0) conformant. It has been about 3 years since we had drafted the original format description of these experiments and also initiated the standard name discussion for chemical cons