Re: [CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge residual

2018-05-03 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Dear Jonathan, I'll leave it to Andy to explain 'without tide' from a modelling perspective - I can guess what they do but could be wrong. In NOC we measure and report the sea surface elevation relative to a datum - Lowest Astronomical Tide - but we then subtract the elevation relative to

Re: [CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge residual

2018-05-03 Thread Saulter, Andrew
Dear Jonathon, Possibly, I have been over-thinking this! I went back to square one and looked at the family of 'sea_surface_height' variables again and read the phrasing as carefully as I could. From these: 'sea_surface_height' is a time-varying quantity - so implies a generic summation of

Re: [CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge residual

2018-05-03 Thread Saulter, Andrew
Apologies; there were issues with the way my email formatted the last message - I've sorted this out below... -Original Message- From: CF-metadata [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of Saulter, Andrew Sent: 03 May 2018 09:24 To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: Re:

Re: [CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge residual

2018-05-03 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi Andy, A thought that struck me as I read through your e-mail is that surges aren't the only meteorological forcing. Whilst in a model the non-tide contributions can be easily differentiated in observational data they cannot. Would 'sea_surface_height_due_to_meteorological_forcing' be a

Re: [CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge residual

2018-05-03 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi again, Having read a bit more I see that 'surge' is commonly used to cover the total forcing due to wind and pressure so ignore my previous comment! Cheers, Roy. Please note that I partially retired on 01/11/2015. I am now only working 7.5 hours a week and can only guarantee e-mail

[CF-metadata] 2018 netCDF-CF Workshop, 19-20 June 2018, Reading, UK

2018-05-03 Thread Ethan Davis
Hi all, As many of you know, the 2018 netCDF-CF Workshop [1] will be on 19-20 June 2018 at the University of Reading in the UK. This workshop will focus on efforts to advance the Climate and Forecast (CF) metadata conventions for netCDF (netCDF-CF). The meeting is being hosted by the National

Re: [CF-metadata] proposed additional names for sea_surface_wave parameters

2018-05-03 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Andy Yes, I agree, that is a sufficiently different quantity that it can't clearly be seen as a statistic describable by cell_methods and so needs its own name. Maybe you could add something more to the definition. Best wishes and thanks Jonathan - Forwarded message from "Saulter,

[CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge residual

2018-05-03 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Andy > 'height_above_X' means the vertical distance above the named surface X - > there are a whole set of these for 'sea_surface_height' ('above_geoid', > 'above_geopotential_datum', 'above_mean_sea_level') that set the vertical > reference Yes. > Then, as I think we've all agreed,

Re: [CF-metadata] proposed additional names for sea_surface_wave parameters

2018-05-03 Thread Saulter, Andrew
Thanks Jonathon, Re the directional_spread parameters in section 4, the "one-sided directional width" as its described in Holthuijsen's book (Waves in Oceanic and Coastal Waters) is perhaps more precisely defined by Tucker and Pitt (Waves in Ocean Engineering) as "half the beam-width as