On 31 January 2013 01:11, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe I'm crazy, but if a developer doesn't know how to install ColdFusion,
or install a web server, than they aren't a web developer. (And they can
learn to this in one hour.) I have _never_ seen an org where IT was
They are some very good points Adam, but one has to ask would there not be,
considering that there was an actual number mentioned, at least one or two
Senior guys who could?
If not why not...
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Andrew... most of my brain is still influenza-ridden or ejected into
tissues and has been discarded at some stage over the last few days.
So... err... *huh*?
Sorry mate, am not trying to be obtuse, but I'm just not able to connect
your dots today.
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On 31 January 2013 10:52, Andrew
Wasn't this in regards to the the lack of experience in the original thread?
He seemed to indicate there was like 50+ developers, you would think out of
that many there is at least 1 or 2 very smart people who could train the
other developers.
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lets not just tar cf developers with that brush Adam.
It really applies to all developers.
PHP developers are just as bad if not worse, in fact even companies who
develop and sell PHP software (whmcs.com for example) are at a loss when
you get server caused by PHP, they have absolutely no idea
I agree with Russ. We have CF, .Net, Java, and PHP all in our environments
and the majority of the developers don't know how install and configure.
The senior people do, particularly with CF and Java. I've only worked in
large organizations where there is a distinct group in charge of
http://cfunited.com/blog/index.cfm/2013/1/30/State-of-the-CF-Union-survey-2013
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I have contracted at a few large orgs where they have sysadmin who do
everything, and even they didn't really know what they were doing.
Here are just a few things I have found in such orgs (cf specific) :-
cf badly configured in general
debugging left on on a production server
log files, class
On 31 January 2013 12:16, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
lets not just tar cf developers with that brush Adam.
I wasn't mate. However I can only speak for developers I know, and the ones
I know are CF ones. Hence my wording. Which, incidentally, cannot really be
read as CF
All very true. Of course having dedicated sysadmin people is not *
automatically* a solution to CF server config. I was kinda meaning having
dedicated people competent at the task at hand. Which - fortunately - we
have here.
On 31 January 2013 13:02, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Adam Cameron
adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com wrote:
2. That said, I've found it reasonably common in larger teams (and in
companies that aren't just a specialist IT shop) wherein the developers
are
not special users when it comes to how they fit
But on their own machines, I'd imagine they should be able to install CF.
I would expect a designer to install Photoshop. (OK, maybe IT could
pre-image that since CS is so freaking huge.)
This has not been my experience at large organizations. People often
can't install software, period. That
On 31 January 2013 14:24, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
But on their own machines, I'd imagine they should be able to install CF.
I would expect a designer to install Photoshop. (OK, maybe IT could
pre-image that since CS is so freaking huge.)
This has not been my experience at
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Michael Christensen wrote:
For us at least, running on a shared codebase with 1 development server
and all code available via a webpath (usually mounted as a drive for
convenience) works quite well and has done so without major snafus for 10+
years.
To build on this idea, look at Vagrant. It allows your IT department (or
whoever's responsible) to maintain a script that loads a VM, necessary assets,
and code. I've written a Vagrant script for Railo:
https://github.com/bdcravens/railo-vagrant
Here's a Chef recipe Nathan Mische wrote for
Before I go nuts trying to write a fix for this, I'm hoping maybe someone will
know of a simple solution. Seems like it should be simple.
I use CFFILE to allow user to upload files to our extranet. Our server is
windows based, so it does not support all of the file characters supported on
http://cflib.org/udf/filterFilename
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Robert Harrison
rob...@austin-williams.com wrote:
Before I go nuts trying to write a fix for this, I'm hoping maybe someone
will know of a simple solution. Seems like it should be simple.
I use CFFILE to allow user to
You can specify the local file name of the uploaded file as it is uploaded,
through the cffile tag's destination= attribute. It's like this:
cffile action=upload destination=#expandPath('.')#/#createUUID()#
filefield=postfile result=f
Good security dictates first that uploaded files should
It was deleted via the cf admin interface, so I don't think undelete would
have helped. I do wish Adobe would update the log interface to make it more
useful. It hasn't changed much at all since at least 4.5. The navigation
sucks and, apparently, there is no way to clear the logs so you don't
I was going to echo what Raymond and Andrew said as well. Every place I
have worked at had given developers admin rights to their box with the
caveat that we are on our own ;-)
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30,
personally I find the cfadmin and navigation quite straight forward.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
apparently, there is no way to clear the logs so you don't have
to skip over many months of log entries to get where you want (which is
No what I was referring to is that the logs can be manually deleted, by
just stopping ColdFusion, and then when ColdFusion is started again all
logs will be recreated.
You are not very clear on what your problem is, most of the logs can't be
deleted from the Admin, because the logs are
And how's that exception log you accidentally deleted going, Eric?
(sorry ;-)
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On 31 January 2013 17:56, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.comwrote:
I was going to echo what Raymond and Andrew said as well. Every place I
have worked at had given developers admin rights to
And how's that exception log you accidentally deleted going, Eric?
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Ah, Russ... your response was pretty much the same as what I was gonna say.
The Admin UI is fine if one pays attention (like to the messages going Are
you sure you want to delete this log file?, that pop up when one opts to
delete it). And I dunno how much more clear a red circle with an X on it
Deleting it destroys it completely rather than clearing the log as I
expected it to. I had an ongoing exception that wasn't causing the log to
be recreated after I hit delete. The nav is straight forward, but it isn't
very friendly. When the log starts with the first entry rather than the
The exception log had a delete button (icon) that completely deleted the log
and stopped cf from recording exceptions in a log file.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:29 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Log question
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Adam Cameron
adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com wrote:
Ray (I presume you're reading)... this thread has good cross-over potential
to that other thread I was commenting on earlier, as to why it's better to
have specialist staff looking after the servers rather
As stated by both me and adam more than once, this is not normal behaviour,
the log is normally created automatically when error occurs, there is
something wrong with your install or no exceptions occurred.
Delete button does exactly what mos folks expect it to do, in even warns
you after you
Exactly...this is on a dev machine...I was trying to fix a way to fix what I
did without having to reinstall...which wasn't that big of a deal anyway.
Installing CF is pretty mindless. There is a new Jakarta directory you
haveto add to a new site, but other than that, set isn't any more
I expected it to delete it but it would recreate the log if there was
another exception...which is what it didn't do. I am wondering if there is
an xml file somewhere that has a list of the log files...
-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday,
I just recently moved to a dedicated server after years of slumming in a
shared environment. Relatively painless so far except for the debugging
stuff. I'm used to the Error Executing Database Query.You have an error
in your SQL syntax...blah blah type messages coming up on errors, but now
all I
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