I can't get to adalon.net (home of an old Fusebox-related tool).
Does anyone have v3.6 of Adalon which they can either put online, or email me
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On 7/9/05, muzl hed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fusebuilder looks like a pretty complete program. I'm
basically wondering if Adalon is worth the extra money
or if they do essentially the same thing.
I like the visual approach of Adalon. FuseBuilder 4.1 is $395. I don't
know how much Adalon
You should try evaluation versions of both, for FuseBuilder you can
create a project online and see how its workflow works for you, for
Adalon you can IIRC request an evaluation license. I use FuseBuilder
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Adalon
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To be blunt and i've been on Plum since i think adam invited me ages
past, I really dig the concept and cannot fault it for what its
achieved.
I do however hold back in reservation as simply put: I don't have the
time or energy to inherit something ontop of a language that has its
own set of
Went back to my simple, basic architecture and felt much better.
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From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure
out
Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be interested
to see how they compared.
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Adalon?
Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be
interested to see how they compared.
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You need to download the .NET Framework for Plum to run.
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From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 February 2005 15:01
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
Mmmm...
Plum uses Fusebox too?..
I tried to run Plum on my machine and i miss a dll
You need to install the .NET framework
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Plum uses Fusebox too?..
Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does.
I tried to run Plum on my machine and i miss a dll called mscoree.dll
someone can send me this dll?.
You don't have the .NET Framework V1.1 installed.
If you ever have a problem with Plum, use our
Has anyone done a comparison between Plum and Adalon? I'd be interested
to see how they compared.
Adalon is a great tool that I think everyone should check out to see if it
fits their needs. However, Plum and Adalon are two very different tools.
If my memory serves me correctly, Adalon
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does.
Maybe so but the following for Fusebox is increasing daily... what are the
selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox
over to Plum or maybe not even over
PLUM is a framework in it's self whilst Adalon is simply a tool for generating
a fusebox application by generating stub files etc and writing the circuit
files for you.
From my understanding PLUM went a whole heap further than just writing stub
files for you,
they're completely different
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does.
Maybe so but the following for Fusebox is increasing daily... what are the
selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox
over to Plum or maybe not even
-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
what are the selling points for Plum that would pull someone like
myself
from Fusebox over to Plum or maybe not even over to but rather in
addition
to?
I guess another way of asking this would be:
How does
-Original Message-
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Plum is the most comprehensive ColdFusion development tool and source
code
generator ever built, hands down. To tell you everything that Plum
does
would take up too much space for this email, so we prepared this:
Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does.
Maybe so but the following for Fusebox is increasing daily... what are the
selling points for Plum that would pull someone like myself from Fusebox
over
I may be off in some details, but it really doesn't.
From what I've seen Plum is basically a code generator. There's not
much of a framework to it. I diddled with it for a little while, and
the 'framework' is more a set of custom tags that make it easier to
build forms, do validation,
If my memory serves me correctly, Adalon is a design tool that generates an
empty set of Fusebox files that have no real functionality -- you handcraft
all that yourself, if I'm not mistaken.
Adalon does much more than generate Fusebox stubs. In fact, that's
just the Fusebox plug
From what I've seen Plum is basically a code generator. There's not
much of a framework to it. I diddled with it for a little while, and
the 'framework' is more a set of custom tags that make it easier to
build forms, do validation, master/detail pages, etc. Maybe I'm
missing something,
How does the Plum framework compare to Fusebox 4.1 or Mach-II in terms
of functionality and extensibility of the core framework (excluding all
the extra modules, I'm thinking of the core)?
Plum does quite a bit more in its core framework than either Fusebox or
Mach-ii.
The best way for
Plum uses Fusebox too?..
Plum has a much more comprehensive framework than Fusebox does.
This is like comparing apples and oranges. Fusebox is a framework for
organizing your application into logical segments, especially if you
use it in an MVC manner. As far as I'm concerned, Fusebox is a
What is your (or your users') experience regarding migrating existing
Fusebox (v3) projects to Plum? I've got several fairly expansive
Fusebox3 applications that I've been considering re-doing anyway; I was
thinking of using Fusebox 4 but Plum is intriguing.
We don't suggest that people try
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From: Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Plum vs Adalon?
Plum uses Fusebox too?..
Plum has
about Adalon and other tools is that there is an abundance of
tutorial/videos online so people can view the what can x do for you
without installing it, etc... do you guys have anything like that coming
out? I bet that would be helpful in at least getting people to look.. I know
a lot of us don't
One nice thing about Adalon and other tools is that there is an abundance
of
tutorial/videos online so people can view the what can x do for you
without installing it, etc... do you guys have anything like that coming
out? I bet that would be helpful in at least getting people to look.. I
know
As far as I'm concerned, Fusebox is a much
more comprehensive framework that Plum, in that Fusebox provides a
structure for your application.
May be,... but what if the structure is completely uncomprehensive?
What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure out in WHICH %$/?
I can imagine that it would be tough for folks to commit to reading 400
pages of documentation to 'get' Plum :P
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From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
But do take the time
Yeap, I for one already have a ton of other things on my todo reading list.
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:15:36 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can imagine that it would be tough for folks to commit to reading 400
pages of documentation to 'get' Plum :P
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
I can imagine that it would be tough for folks to commit to reading 400
pages of documentation to 'get' Plum :P
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From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure
out in WHICH %$/? template is the piece of code you need to
modify. So if maintenance easiness was the concern, they
totally missed the point.
This surprises me as maintenance in
: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What bugs me with FB is that it takes hours just to figure
out in WHICH %$/? template is the piece of code you need
finding out where an issue is takes about 2 seconds.
If the issue causes an error message, may be.
But for just an upgrade or an enhancement, is is 10 times more
complicated than it should.
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I have never had a problem finding any errors in any
FB code I have written.
I always had problems find errors in my code, since I make no error ;-)
As for maintenance, it depends on if you inherited the site
It is my case indeed, but not because the programmer was dummy, just because
doing
, it should be a matter of adding a couple fuses
and away you go. Toss in an Adalon diagram to pinpoint areas of concern and
it is even faster. Do you even use FB?
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Are you strongly familar with FB apps? I am not at all, just
wondering if this is a case where if someone was then they could
follow it easily.
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0500, Claude Schneegans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is my case indeed, but not because the programmer was dummy, just
You can't use Plum in conjunction with Fusebox or any other
framework,as there would be no need. There is nothing that
another framework could add to what Plum already has.
That statement nicely sums up a couple of resons why I will probably
never use Plum. In its current form at
Adam,
I'm not trying to attack Plum. If I was, I'd say something silly and
offensive. My observations come after using Plum, trying it out, and
taking some of its guts apart.
The way it works,
what it contains, how applications are organized, and how Plum applications
are written.
The way
Plum does too much in the way of generating application code
and too little in the way of providing powerful APIs that can be extended...
Ok, so Spike can say in one sentence what takes me a couple of
paragraphs to try to hint at.
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You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe.
Adam, you're very much underestimating what I've done with Plum. I
wouldn't talk about it if I hadn't looked at it in great detail. I've
probably looked at the docs more extensively than most of your users,
examined the custom tag library, used tools like the
As it is, every generated page comes out
This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc.
Surely this cannot be true!
From my observation and in regards to past threads on Plum, it seems
like they still cannot accurately say who they are targeting with this
product. It surely
I would agree with everything Joe says here.
Plum certainly has it's place in the market. How big that place is I
don't know, but I'm sure a lot of people will find it useful to them.
Having written a few frameworks myself and used quite a few others I
know what works for me and a fundamental
This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the owner of generated code
be the developer using it? As it is, every generated page comes out
This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc.
I'm not sure if you meant to do this, but the legal implications of
this are enough to bar
As it is, every generated page comes out
This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc.
Surely this cannot be true!
Oversight on our part. The copyright should just appear in the pre-fabbed
framework code. I don't think we have to get the Hague involved on this one
;)
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:13:51 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a complete aside, but shouldn't the owner of generated code
be the developer using it? As it is, every generated page comes out
This code is Copyright (c) 2004 by Productivity Enhancement, Inc.
I'm not sure if
If the FB app is structured properly and you can read
It is not the fact that the app is structured properly or not; As a matter of
fact,
I think it is.
The problem is with the concept of the structure itself: it is sometimes 10
times more complicated
than the whole application itself.
- too
just wondering if this is a case where if someone was then they could
follow it easily.
This may very well be true, and this is exactly the trouble.
A good CF application, I'd say ANY application written in ANY language,
should be easily followed by any one who is good enough in the language.
I understand your second point, whether it is valid or not is probably
in the eye of the beholders.
As far as Plum from what I gathered in the descriptions, it actually
would be a well loved tool around here. Not necessarily by me, but by
some of the people in this group.
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This may very well be true, and this is exactly the trouble.
A good CF application, I'd say ANY application written in ANY
language, should be easily followed by any one who is good
enough in the language.
I don't think you will find
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- too many files are included,
Are you looking at FB4? The only included files there come from the circuit
files or the parsed fuseactions which you do not directly access anyway
so not sure how this is a valid point.
- templates names
- when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it
takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from.
Fusedocs exist for a reason.
That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application
or an uninformed developer in regards to FB.
Right on,
You can't discredit an application or the ability to easily follow
it just bacause you are not in
favor of the approach.
The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach
claims
it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application much
harder
Adalon?
- when you look at the source code, find what's wrong, it
takes hours to figure out which actual template the code comes from.
Fusedocs exist for a reason.
That could stem from one of two things: a poorly structured FB application
or an uninformed developer in regards to FB.
Right
Fusebox is a tool, like a hammer. Any tool is only
worth the hands of its holder. With a hammer, it's just as easy to
accidently destroy your thumb as it is to hammer in a nail.
C'mon, fuses, circuits, now hammers,... enough with metaphors, periphases and
parabolas ;-)
If FB is like a hammer,
The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the approach
claims
it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application
much harder to follow.
Ok, it is because the FB application was not properly structured, but isn't
FB supposed
to precisely
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The question is not being in favor or not. The question is
that the approach claims it will make the application easier
to follow, and I find the application much harder to follow.
Ok, it is because the FB application was not properly
Adalon?
The question is not being in favor or not. The question is that the
approach claims
it will make the application easier to follow, and I find the application
much harder to follow.
Ok, it is because the FB application was not properly structured, but
isn't FB supposed
to precisely
I also tried Plum during the beta phase.
I didn't like it...then again, I don't like lobster either. (and in
both cases, I don't get all the hype)
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're missing 90% of Plum, Joe.
Adam, you're very much
9 years, none of which touch on FB... so how can you justify making comments
about the Framework?
I just said I was upgrading a FB application. So at least I have an example.
Does it take years to understand and know the principles of FB?
Then how can it help?
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:53:51 -0500, Adam Churvis
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The best way for everyone to assess this is to download and install Plum,
then thorooughly read the Plum documentation.
Assuming you are running a Windows machine with .NET installed...
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:23:26 -0500, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because my opinion doesn't match
yours is no reason to call me ignorant or uninformed.
I have to say that Adam's habit of jumping on anyone who dares to
criticize Plum is getting a bit tiring. I made some comments about
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just said I was upgrading a FB application. So at least I
have an example.
Does it take years to understand and know the principles of FB?
Then how can it help?
Well it would seem that after 9 years of coding, when you encountered
I think you are just being an ass
Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't follow you in
that direction.
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Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't
follow you in
that direction.
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I think you are just being an ass
Sorry, but if you need insults to make your point, I won't follow you in
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now when i think of fusebox i think of myspace.com and thats
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: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-)
Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being considered
*low* end I don't think that speed should be the concern it was back
when servers were 200MHz. We run lots of Fusebox 3 apps on our server
(dual 1ghz xeon
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From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:45 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Plum vs Adalon?
Any web application will be slow on a 486 ;-)
Honestly speaking, in today's world of 2ghz machines being
Damn, I made the mistake of reading this one from the bottom up!
I messed with FB a little, and it messed my mind up. Went back to my simple,
basic architecture and felt much better.
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i dunno, go to myspace.com and do a few searches, that fusebox app rarely
runs right (or could be the developers) if at all.
Dave: The fact that their app contains an extra switch/case or three
over a non-FB app is unlikely to have any material impact on their
uptime or performance. Assuming
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Anyone using Adalon from Synthis? Any comments on the product? I haven't
used it in over a year, but when I did, it seemed to be a good way to
keep the development of a CF Web App nice and organized. I see version 3
is due out soon... Just trying to get some up to date feedback.
Mike
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone using Adalon from Synthis? Any comments on the product? I haven't
used it in over a year, but when I did, it seemed to be a good way to
keep the development of a CF Web App nice and organized. I see version 3
is due out soon... Just trying to get some up to date
Same here... Used it extensively with FB3, but since FB4 I have not
touched it. I am trying to find a good tool to use here at work:
tracking/gathering requirements, diagramming, documentation, task
assignment, etc... Adalon gave me the best combo of the features I
really needed at the time and I
Same here... Used it extensively with FB3, but since FB4 I have not
touched it. I am trying to find a good tool to use here at work:
tracking/gathering requirements, diagramming, documentation, task
assignment, etc... Adalon gave me the best combo of the features I
really needed at the time
Matt,
Are you saying that He3 could contain additional development tools
such as requirements tracking, diagramming, etc.. (as seen in Adalon)?
If so, I would be happy to drop you an email off list that outlines
everything that would be great for a Fusebox development tool in
addition to a great
Are you saying that He3 could contain additional development tools
such as requirements tracking, diagramming, etc.. (as seen in Adalon)?
If so, I would be happy to drop you an email off list that outlines
everything that would be great for a Fusebox development tool in
addition to a great CF
Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB?
What have your experiences been? What version(s) are you using? Are you
using it in a single developer environment of with a team of
developers.
I am looking for some good selling points for the boss.
TIA!
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer
Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one
of the fusebox lists for more info
Kola
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From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Adalon
Do any of you folks use Adalon for CF or FB
it out and getting on the phone with a rep
(I have had great communication with Bjorn...hopefully I can throw a PO at
him one of these days).
Mike
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From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Adalon
I'm anxious to try it out again...once it has mach-ii support...was
great for FB3
Stace
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From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: November 13, 2003 1:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adalon
Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one
of the fusebox
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Subject: RE: Adalon
Have not used it but have heard many good things about it - try on one
of the fusebox lists for more info
Kola
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From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 November 2003 17:27
To: CF-Talk
2:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adalon
I believe Mach ii version is in Beta. They also have a CFMX version in
development.
One of the guys who is in my CFUG loves it and says it was one of the
best thigns that ever happened to him.
Mike,
I'll have to get on the horn with Bjorn ;)
Candace K
Hi Stace,
What are RIAs?
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From: Stacy Young
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: Adalon
Oh I've used it...and it does rock...just I fell off the CF face of the
earth for a year while I pursued RIAs...and when I came back to more CF
Rich Internet Applications (RIAs -
http://www.macromedia.com/resources/business/rich_internet_apps/ ). I
was working mostly in Flash with Java backends the past year or so...
Stace
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From: Mickael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: November 13, 2003 2:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adalon
Hi
Does anyone have any experience using Adalon 2.6 in the CFMX alpha mode (
i.e. not using the Fusebox or Struts skins)? Does anybody have any opinions
in general about the software? Are there any other similar packages
available
Walter:
I have been using Adalon for most of my larger projects for almost two
years. I really have gotten to rely on the ease of use of creating
application layouts and the mapping of the application process. I
recently started using the MX version and I am pretty impressed. I
would highly
Does anyone have any experience using Adalon 2.6 in the CFMX alpha mode (
i.e. not using the Fusebox or Struts skins)? Does anybody have any opinions
in general about the software? Are there any other similar packages
available
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