I know my entry is not for Railo but the directions I have posted could
easily be used to get Railo running on Jboss. I hope this helps introduce a
few people to Jboss Eclipse and their choice of CFML engines.
http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html
Adam Haskell
Thanx Adam. Jboss is a bit daunting at first. I am so used to Tomcat.
Everything seems to be popping up BD these days. We are all very excited
about this at our shop. We have using MM/Adobe CF for years and are taking a
*very* serious look at BD. We really want to move towards a Java platform.
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Tanguy Rademakers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last year some Adobe fanboy was bitching out the NA list because the syntax
of the cfthread tag is different in BD 7 and CF 8
If you're talking about Peter Farrell's questions about cfthread (I
can't read the thread -
I would hardly describe Peter Farrell as an Adobe fanboy especially
since he was running his site for a long time on BlueDragon!
No, the person i was talking about is a certain Paul Vernon (NA's site is up,
just checked).
only to have it come to light that NA implemented cfthread before
See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another
company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it
not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility
when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other
company in question break backwards compatibility with
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote:
atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new
syntax it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive. Last
Adobe 'own' CFML (the language). They can do what they like and still claim to
be 'compatable'.
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another
company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it
not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility
when they themselves add the same feature? Should the other
company in
Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe
hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor
selling CFML engines. You can argue that those other vendors likewise have
no responsibility to Adobe, and I'd agree, but if you build a product that
.
Regards
Dale Fraser
-Original Message-
From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 March 2008 11:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe
hasn't standardized CFML, and has
Nobody could argue that NA haven't made every reasonable
effort to ensure compatibility between BlueDragon and CFMX -
as you point out, that's the business they're in. But when
Adobe willingly breaks compatibility with BlueDragon by
implementing a BD feature in a non-compatible manner, i
: Tanguy Rademakers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:22:09 AM
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
Adobe is not selling a CFML engine. Adobe is selling ColdFusion. Adobe
hasn't standardized CFML, and has no responsibility to any other vendor
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Tanguy Rademakers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, the person i was talking about is a certain Paul Vernon (NA's site is
up, just checked).
OK, I don't remember the thread then. I'll go read up on it.
See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another
for.
~Brad
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From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
I remember last time I looked at the CF alternatives, BD was the only
one
that seemed mature. Others seemed to be either in early stages
On Wednesday 12 Mar 2008, Brad Wood wrote:
I sure hope I'm wrong-- I really do; but I think Successful Open
Sourced CF is a utopia many of us long for, but few of us would
actually get dirty for.
I'm not sure many of us have the depth of Java knowledge that would be
required.
See also
encourages people to use
a product when they can do that. I hope Adobe follows suit.
Eric
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/*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:50 AM
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/*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14
support, and even
then they're not done properly.
Just my $0.02.
RUss
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From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do
Sean Said:
Since Adobe (Macromedia / Allaire) created ColdFusion, I don't think they
have any responsibility to maintain compatibility since they created the
de facto standard. The burden is on other companies to build compatible CFML
engines, IMO. Nor do Adobe have any incentive to create a
]
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/*
/* See, that's exactly what i'm talking about. If another
/* company adds a feature *before* Adobe does, then how is it
/* not the responsibility of Adobe to maintain compatibility
/* when they themselves
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/*
/*On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote:
/* atitude time and again in the CF community: when Adobe introduces new
/* syntax it's innovative, but when another vendor does it's disruptive.
/*Last
/*
/*Adobe 'own' CFML (the language). They can do what
I think there is more than a large enough market...one that could increase
with competition.
Eric
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/*Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:34 AM
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/*Seriously,
/*
/*Adobe
, 2008 12:50 AM
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/* /*
/* /*On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels
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/* /* Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only
/* caveat
/* /* would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work
I would suggest checking out MySQL and what they do with it... The way
they do it...if you need support (and several other features not
available in the free version), you pay for licensing.
==
And pay you do! MySQL Enterprise Platinum is $4,999 USD
See that's the problem. Everyone is more than happy to jump on the band
wagon *after* there is a mature solution which is worth their time.
However, the chicken precedes the egg here, and the chicken is a
community of developers willing to put in months (or years) of work to
get a product to that
as opposed to a problem you were having with MySQL.
Russ
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From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
On the consumer level, you are correct. Having worked
On Monday 10 Mar 2008, Jordan Michaels wrote:
You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact, the Smith Project has a
simple step-by-step on how to do that with tomcat:
http://smithproject.org/doc_preinstall.cfm
As does Railo (which comes with the Resin J2EE server by default).
there's *NO
It's just another CFML engine with not quite the same features as
the 'offical' one.
Being open source isn't much one way or the other, tbh.
Well, if people want to add features that are missing, now they can.
And it's more than just another CFML engine - it will be the only mature CFML
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Tanguy Rademakers wrote:
I think NA deserves a big warm hearted thank you from the whle CF
community for taking this step.
Oh, I say 'thanks', but I don't believe, for instance, it's going to speed the
inclusion of Remoteing (OpenAMF) into the product.
--
Tom
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Tanguy Rademakers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Being open source isn't much one way or the other, tbh.
Well, if people want to add features that are missing, now they can.
But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source
Steering Committee whether
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2008, Sean Corfield wrote:
source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but
that will just create lots of incompatible engines. Everyone will need
to work with the process, like Sun's JCP and all the other successful
Exactly.
We don't want someone adding
But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source
Steering Committee whether your suggestions will be accepted. Open
source does not mean that everyone can just pile in and change the
source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features - but
that will just create lots
Exactly.
We don't want someone adding cfFooBar to their engine, whilst
another uses
cfBarFoo (or doesn't have it at all). Ideally I can take a project
and run
it with no changes on Adobe, or Railo, or Smith, or BD, or ...
So i guess this means the CFML language is now set in stone
Rademakers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it will be up to New Atlanta and the BlueDragon Open Source
Steering Committee whether your suggestions will be accepted. Open
source does not mean that everyone can just pile in and change the
source. Sure, you could modify your *own* copy to add features
, 2008 2:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
Exactly.
We don't want someone adding cfFooBar to their engine, whilst
another uses
cfBarFoo (or doesn't have it at all). Ideally I can take a project
and run
it with no changes on Adobe, or Railo, or Smith, or BD, or ...
So i
Isn't the point of this whole thing to spread the use of cfml, and to such
end, to have a cfml engine installed on every linux hosting company offering
PHP, wouldn't this be where the blue dragon open source version of their
product is going to be put to the test?
Every $5 a month hosting company
Isn't the point of this whole thing to spread the use of cfml, and to such
end, to have a cfml engine installed on every linux hosting company
offering
PHP, wouldn't this be where the blue dragon open source version of their
product is going to be put to the test?
Precisely, and I really do
If the above is truly their intention, this is HUGE for the CF
Community.
==
Trust me-- I am excited to see what this will bring too; however, if an
open source CFML engine is such a door-opener, then why hasn't everyone
jumped on the Smith Project and proliferated
be a
great thing IMHO.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Bluedragon = open source
If the above is truly their intention, this is HUGE for the CF
Community
JBoss has a regular web server in it. Its very easy to run BlueDragon for J2EE
on Apache. You will need a J2EE app server like JBoss to run BD. That said, its
relatively easy to integrate JBoss/BD with Apache. Steve Brownlee gives a very
good tutorial on this at
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Precisely, and I really do hope that this is the case. The only caveat
would be how NA's Dual-Licensing would work - and that's why I'm really
anxious to see the details there.
I'm not sure what your concern is here?
Interesting:
http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
jsp
~Brad
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Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;)
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Interesting:
http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
More info here:
http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=EABF951D-453A-486E-9647E2825D1E6F39
(watch the wrap)
http://www.newatlanta.com/corporate/news/bluedragon_opensource_announce.
jsp
~|
Adobe® ColdFusion® 8
Dang it, you stole my comment!
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whats even more interesting is that announcement is from the future ;)
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Interesting:
I am pumped.
One thing I did notice was it was the J2EE version. Which, if I understand
correctly, is the version that is deployed on a Java App server like TomCat
or JBoss and not a regular web server like Apache or IIS. Which is all
fine with me in that is the direction I am heading anyways.
You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact, the Smith Project has a
simple step-by-step on how to do that with tomcat:
http://smithproject.org/doc_preinstall.cfm
I'm anxious to see the details of the new license agreements, as that
will be the determining factor into how it's used by hosting
sourcing it just to
get some free help with the development of the server.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
You can tie J2EE servers into Apache. In fact
The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial use.
If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon product
that they're currently offer. They seemed to be open sourcing it just to
get some free help with the development of the server.
Where did you
that
fairly easily decrypted?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial
use.
If that's true
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still not for commercial
use.
If that's true, then it's really no better then the free bluedragon
product
that they're
can encrypt your code, but it's
that
fairly easily decrypted?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Tanguy Rademakers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Bluedragon = open source
The one thing I think I'm reading is that it's still
Very easy. IIRC you can do it with a CFX tag.
Let me clarify: Very easy for pre v. 7
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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do it.
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