On 5/16/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Compare Google Maps to Google Earth, a native Windows application, and
you'll see what I mean.
just as a point of order, Google Earth is also available for OSX
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Another bit of interest on this subject...google just released a
toolkit that will allow java developers to easily create cross browser
compatible AJAX based apps...
http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/gettingstarted.html
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On 5/16/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I'd personally maintain that for many pitches for
building web apps, it's .NET, Java or other where other
is just as likely to be PHP, CF, or Rails.
CF does have a potential advantage in the Java world, in that it can
integrate quite
My thoughts exactly. Gmail is one of the best email clients I've used,
desktop or web.
On 5/16/06, Neil Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/15/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, you can improve HTML applications by using CSS, XHTML, JavaScript,
AJAX, etc, etc, but HTML is a
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My thoughts exactly. Gmail is one of the best email clients I've used,
desktop or web.
On 5/16/06, Neil Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/15/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, you can
, 2006 4:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Hype 2.0
Nothing I could do. Indiana is an at-will state. You can get fired
for any reason without any explanation as long as it doesn't violate any
affirmative action laws.
M!ke
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Sent
That's a fair cop - I'm certainly on the geeky coder side of that gap.
I don't care if it fades out, blows up or whitsles dixie, I just want
to read it and deal with it in the most efficient way possible. I must
say though that the slashdot css redesign contest is a godsend.
On 5/16/06, Mark A
Unless you work for a small dotcom where you're a jack of all trades or
you're a consultant trying to help your clients get the most ROI, I
don't think SEO should be your focus.
For real, SEO is *such* a marketing function. If you're in marketing in
2006, you *better* be a SEO expert. It's
My thoughts exactly. Gmail is one of the best email clients I've used,
desktop or web.
While I will agree with the statement that gmail is one of the best
email clients I have used, one of the reasons is that google has the
resources to develop around all of the quirks that come with the
As you elaborated too Jeff, the intricacies of SEO shouldn't fall on the
shoulders of developers. SEO is a whole profession in itself. I do think
there needs to be some level of teamwork though by which SEO
professionals convey changes that should be made in a system to get
better placement in
For real, SEO is *such* a marketing function. If you're in marketing in
2006, you *better* be a SEO expert. It's not my responsibility as a
developer to worry about marketing.
This is why we have a dedicated team of SEO professionals. I suck at
writing, they do their stuff and tell us on the
But surely apps like Google maps or Gmail are excellent
examples of web apps deployed successfully using HTML/JS etc.
Sure, they are the best of a bad lot. To hold either one out as an
excellent application is to show how low the bar is set for excellence.
Compare Google Maps to Google Earth,
But I'd personally maintain that for many pitches for
building web apps, it's .NET, Java or other where other
is just as likely to be PHP, CF, or Rails.
CF does have a potential advantage in the Java world, in that it can
integrate quite well with J2EE applications; it can be used as a
On 5/16/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But surely apps like Google maps or Gmail are excellent
examples of web apps deployed successfully using HTML/JS etc.
Sure, they are the best of a bad lot. To hold either one out as an
excellent application is to show how low the bar is set
AJAX still makes more sense for most RIA type interfaces IMHO...using
existing skills
Unless your existing skills are flash or don't include much js coding then
flex smokes ajax.
Well I can't comment on weather or not it smokes AJAX as I haven't played with
it enough, but I'll give ya the
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What do you cf developers think of this web 2.0 chatter in our industry?
Do you feel like you need to use asynchronous JavaScript and other current
widgets and services just to tell people that you are web 2.0
, 2006 5:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Hype 2.0
I was in the exact same situation. I had a well-paying job at a large
corporation and was set for life. Then, one day, a worthless
co-worker had her VP husband get me fired.
But, now I KNOW I'm in a set-for-life job, this time. ;)
M!ke
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I hope you took legal action.
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certified advanced coldfusion programmer
ICGLink, Inc.
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From: Brendan Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:09 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
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If you do not stay intellectually curious in the technology field, you have
two choices: become a manger or watch
Subject: RE: Hype 2.0
I hope you took legal action.
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but at the same time I'm not sitting on my laurels ignoring the rest of
the world. I'm very active in the local IT communities, I go to tech
conferences, and I try to keep up on the trends. I do feel safe and
secure at this job, but I'm not going become lazy because of it.
Good to hear
to far. The
fishing was ok going back up in a few months for Salmon whoo hoo
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From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:13 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
AJAX still makes
If you do not stay intellectually curious in the technology
field, you have two choices: become a manger or watch the $$
value of your position fall or your job get off-shored. And
frankly, I think way there are way too many managers out
there who are simply technology people that have
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From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Hype 2.0
If you do not stay intellectually curious in the technology
field, you have two choices: become a manger or watch the $$
value of your position
Dave, you have wisdom well beyond your years... (that if you are under 200
years old :) )
/regards
Victor
On 5/15/06, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you do not stay intellectually curious in the technology
field, you have two choices: become a manger or watch the $$
value of your
Dave, you have wisdom well beyond your years... (that if you
are under 200 years old :) )
I wish. (About the wisdom part - I don't want to be 200 years old. Not yet,
anyway.)
I just happen to remember how applications worked before the web came along.
Moving applications to the web made a lot
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From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 12, 2006 1:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
Well I feel that using AJAX is damn fine and beats the crap out of Flash for
RIA
.that said I have otherwise ignored Web 2.0
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director
Now why would you want to go and do something stupid like that? =]
!k
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From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 13, 2006 12:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
Can you stylize and customize it so it's not Flash? :0)
-- Josh
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That's a joke son, dontch'a get it? That boy's about as sharp as a billiard
ball.
-- Foghorn Leghorn
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From: Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: Hype 2.0
Now why would you want
Ken Ferguson wrote:
So, in regards to the back button I've been thinking that a really
quality, well-done web2-type application would be one where your back
button wouldn't work, but one where you'd also not ever think of using
it. I mean, the application should flow such that the back
Until this web 2. - stuff can get you found on the Internet it's crap!
You-all might have sweet jobs as administrators looking for ways to make the
companies users feel more at home with the desktop interface but for the
rest of us, having a search engine finding your page and ranking it top ten
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Well I feel that using AJAX is damn fine and beats the crap out of Flash for
RIA
.that said I have otherwise ignored Web 2.0
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge
Hi Casey. I understand your points. As a consultant, I can relate to
your thoughts on rankings in SERPs but I have to disagree with the idea
that high rankings has to be the main focus for developers.
I would venture to say that most people on CF-Talk have full-time jobs
and plan on keeping it
Hahaha... nice quote. =]
!k
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From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 15, 2006 5:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
That's a joke son, dontch'a get it? That boy's about as sharp as a billiard
ball.
-- Foghorn Leghorn
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: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 15, 2006 7:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
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Kevin,
Some of us remember that Flash content can be a heavy download with a
large application and prefer to keep things quick and clean (kinda the
idea with the web in the first place
On 5/15/06, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ditto that Dave. Good luck trying to convince a manager or muckety-muck to
use Django or Rails. Hell, it took me 4 months of cajoling to get my boss
to approve the use of CF for our new web store. He was hell bent on
dropping thousands for
On 5/15/06, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tsk Tsk...
The sad fact is that most developers prefer AJAX because they either can't
budget something like custom Flash into their projects, or they simply don't
have the time to learn Flash.
I think that's a pretty poor generalization. AJAX
Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
On 5/15/06, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tsk Tsk...
The sad fact is that most developers prefer AJAX because they either can't
budget something like custom Flash into their projects
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But I have a stable full time job in a corporation, so I don't
really need to worry about being competitive.
Funny, I thought the same thing until I was unemployed for a year. I
truly hope this is just
But, now I KNOW I'm in a set-for-life job, this time. ;)
Ok, explain this cause if you've got the secret juice, I want some. ;)
Rey...
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Can you stylize and customize it so it's not Flash? :0)
-- Josh
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From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
Btw, that wasnt meant to sound as sarcastic as it came out. I
Heh, now that would be uselful.
Ok, to be serious, Flex is of course going to be very powerful, but
flash apps can have their disadvantages too. For example, I've used
some where I would really like to have been able to highlight and copy
some text that came up in a search - the app didn't let me
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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
Can you stylize and customize it so it's not Flash? :0)
-- Josh
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From: Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:18 PM
http://publishing2.com/2006/05/12/the-solipsism-of-web-20/
Web 2.0 entrepreneurs who read TechCrunch daily (and who power-use multiple
sites with tagging and who subscribe to 100+ tech RSS feeds) need to
occasionally turn off the PC, put on some clothes, and head down to the
local Walmart to
But I have a stable full time job in a
corporation, so I don't really need to worry about being competitive.
Funny, I thought the same thing until I was unemployed for a year. I
truly hope this is just a temporary lapse of judgment and that you
really reconsider what you just said.
What do you cf developers think of this web 2.0 chatter in our
industry? Do you feel like you need to use asynchronous JavaScript and
other current widgets and services just to tell people that you are web
2.0 compliant? This seems like a silly buzzword ... do we need to
embrace it to be
and is easy to use. I've never met a client who told me,
You must use floating gizmos and sortable lists asynchronously.
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From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Hype 2.0
What do you cf developers think of this web
Well I feel that using AJAX is damn fine and beats the crap out of Flash for RIA
that said I have otherwise ignored Web 2.0
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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Personally I use Ajax because I think it's very handy and does some
pretty awesome stuff. But I have a stable full time job in a
corporation, so I don't really need to worry about being competitive.
Oh, and by the way, it's pretty easy to get into Ajax, if you use one of
the ColdFusion libraries
Just tell them that Web 2.0 is old school and Flex is Web 3.0.
Lee
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-Original Message-
From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Hype 2.0
What do you cf developers think of this web 2.0 chatter in our industry?
Do you feel like you need to use asynchronous JavaScript and other current
I think the key is, web 2.0 really refers to buildin Apps, not websites.
If you are building a website, then you really don't have much use for ajax,
flash(I know, some people like pretty flash banners ) or flex.
If you are building an online application, such as gmail, an online store
etc.,
.
...
Ben Nadel
www.bennadel.com
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From: Alan Rother [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
I think the key is, web 2.0 really refers to buildin Apps, not websites.
If you are building a website, then you really
Hmm, I wasn't overly fussed about AJAX before reading this article, more
concentrating on Flex etc.
I think I might give it a closer look now.
Neil
On 5/12/06, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I use Ajax because I think it's very handy and does some
pretty awesome stuff.
the tough js and cf is done for you.
-- Josh
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From: Neil Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
Hmm, I wasn't overly fussed about AJAX before reading this article, more
concentrating
+1 CFAJAX
http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/
I like it better than Flex because you can just use regular old html, css
and Javascript (and of course CF) and make stuff look however you want -
you're not locked in to that Flex look and feel. Also the learning curve is
not too steep, all the
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From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:39 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Hype 2.0
+1 CFAJAX
http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/
I like it better than Flex because you can just use regular old html, css
and Javascript
You are aware that Flex is completely stylable and customizable via CSS.
Oh wait, I guess you don't.
You can find info on it (as well as some examples) here:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mesh/archives/2006/05/example_styling.html
mike chambers
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Josh Nathanson wrote:
+1
Btw, that wasnt meant to sound as sarcastic as it came out. I need to be
more liberal with my ;)'s
mike
Mike Chambers wrote:
You are aware that Flex is completely stylable and customizable via CSS.
Oh wait, I guess you don't.
You can find info on it (as well as some examples) here:
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