RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Watts
Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Mark Kruger
Steven, I would say that it is still quite important - especially if you wish to leverage more memory on a larger server. -mark -Original Message- From: Steven Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Is the need for multiple CF

Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Todd Rafferty
I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice. Only other reason for mutli-instance would be mappings / unique custom tags that they didn't want to make global and such. I'm finding that the new mappings that you can do in CF8's

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Mark Kruger
-Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Andy Matthews
, 2008 12:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Whoa What about the ability to run your instances with different JVM args and allocate memory and resources specifically? And what about leveraging more than 1.6 gigs of memory using multi-instances

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Watts
I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice. Only other reason for mutli-instance would be mappings / unique custom tags that they didn't want to make global and such. Well, that's not actually what I wrote. There are lots of

Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Todd Rafferty
Yup, agreed that it should also be considered for anyone looking to setup a multi-instance. Currently that doesn't fit our need or budget (according to the owner). I'm just a lead developer plunking down projects for him to cash out on. I don't get a say in hardware or software installation /

Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Todd Rafferty
On Feb 6, 2008 1:51 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's not actually what I wrote. There are lots of reasons for using multiple instances: - isolation of services for security/administrative reasons - isolation of services for stability reasons - ability to configure

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Russ
to run a site that handles a lot of sessions in CF even with multiple instances/boxes. Russ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Right

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Watts
Yep, and isn't this the biggest weakness of CF to date? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? PHP/.NET/RoR? This is a JVM limitation, not a CF limitation. And, it's platform-specific. The memory limit for a 32-bit JVM is much higher on, say, Solaris - around 4 GB, if I recall

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Russ
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Yep, and isn't this the biggest weakness of CF to date? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? PHP/.NET/RoR? This is a JVM limitation

Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Ian Skinner
Yep, and isn't this the biggest weakness of CF to date? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? PHP/.NET/RoR? The are if they are limited to pre-JAVA 1.6 (IIRC the version). The limit is not a ColdFusion specific limit, but a limit it inherits from the underlining Java. So any

Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Rick Root
On 2/6/08, Steven Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our business is sort of an ASP model where we have a single, main application to which we essentially sell subscriptions to large clients. Over the years, those clients have demanded unique changes to the app that have caused the main code

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Brad Wood
Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? Doesn't Java suffer from this same limitation? It is my understanding that the memory limit is a Java thing, not a CF thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong. ...the fact that you can't have more then 1GB per instance... But don't instances

Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Steven Wood
Whoa What about the ability to run your instances with different JVM args and allocate memory and resources specifically? And what about leveraging more than 1.6 gigs of memory using multi-instances? It seems to me there are resource issues that multi instance addresses as well. Okay, this

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Dave Watts
The 2GB address space limit only exists on 32 bit architectures, correct? A server running lets say Windows 2003 x64 Server or any flavor of x64 Linux wouldn't have that limitation, correct? So why are we stuck using the outdated 32bit JVM? Maybe you should direct that question to

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? Doesn't Java suffer from this same limitation

RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Brad Wood
32bit Java. 64bit Java doesn't suffer from this limitation AFAIR. Speaking of which, is CF certified on any 64bit java? I remember something about it being certified on x64 Solaris or something. Is anyone using it on a 64bit Java under windows? Hmmm, this knowledge base article shows

Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?

2008-02-06 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Russ wrote: The 2GB address space limit only exists on 32 bit architectures, correct? A server running lets say Windows 2003 x64 Server or any flavor of x64 Linux wouldn't have that limitation, correct? So why are we stuck using the outdated 32bit JVM? How long have 64-bit Sun JVMs been