With all the woes that IIS has suffered (and also being a
sentimental old bugger) it would be great for me to see
Website Pro re emerge as a contender in the Webserver stakes.
All we need now are the grumbles from the Website Orphans list to be
sorted g
Philip Arnold
Technical Director
On 6/5/02, Michael Dinowitz penned:
I don't think Bud is running CF MX:
OK. I've got CF 4.51 on my development box. I also run WebSite
Pro on the dev box, which I just upgraded to the latest version,
which I'd also done on the real server with no problem.
From this, I assume he just
On 6/5/02, Dave Watts penned:
1. I happen to be one of those Website pro users and there
are a lot more than three of us. Maybe even 5. :)
I used to be one of them, but just can't justify the per-server cost any
more. Oh, well.
The price is down to 300 bucks for a single server (compared
Hi Dave,
1. I happen to be one of those Website pro users and there
are a lot more than three of us. Maybe even 5. :)
I used to be one of them, but just can't justify the per-server cost any
more. Oh, well.
Have you thought of a site license? Very cheap for a hosting house or
similar with
On 6/5/02, UXB Internet penned:
And people ask me why I don't rush to upgrade all the time. Let me know
what you find Bud, I have the same configuration (I think my dev box even
has the same internal IP number )
I found absolutely nothing on Deerfield's site or in their forums. It
wouldn't let
On 6/5/02, Todd penned:
Bud,
What is '/' mapped too? Also, are you hosting multiple sites on the
webserver? Which one is CFIDE physically located in? When CFMX was
installed, did you choose Standalone or...?
Not CFMX. It's 4.51.
/ was mapped to C:\inetpub\wwwroot\
CFIDE was in WWWRoot.
Have you thought of a site license? Very cheap for a hosting
house or similar with a reasonable number of machines.
We hated moving away from Website to do clustering since it
was the way we got into CF in the first place and its a much
better server that IIS.
We're not a hosting
The price is down to 300 bucks for a single server (compared
to about 900 when I originally purchased WS Pro 2). It's even
more affordable if you're running 3 or more servers. Anything's
better than the IIS security patch circus IMHO.
The thing is, if you install IIS correctly, and
We're not a hosting house, and from my perspective, free beats cheap. The
thing is, WebSite doesn't really offer any features that IIS doesn't, and I
don't think it's any better than IIS, really. IIS has to be set up
correctly, but that's pretty trivial to do. In that sense, I'm a satisfied
David, ignore previous email... you answered it here. =)
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Dave Watts wrote:
The price is down to 300 bucks for a single server (compared
to about 900 when I originally purchased WS Pro 2). It's even
more affordable if you're running 3 or more servers. Anything's
| From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|
|
| The thing is, if you install IIS correctly, and disable the
| stuff that you don't use, it's not a security patch
| circus. By default, IIS includes a lot of features that
| WebSite doesn't have, and that most people don't use
| anyway.
We're not a hosting house, and from my perspective, free
beats cheap. The thing is, WebSite doesn't really offer
any features that IIS doesn't, and I don't think it's any
better than IIS, really. IIS has to be set up correctly,
but that's pretty trivial to do. In that sense, I'm a
We're not a hosting house, and from my perspective, free beats cheap.
The
thing is, WebSite doesn't really offer any features that IIS doesn't,
and I
don't think it's any better than IIS, really. IIS has to be set up
correctly, but that's pretty trivial to do. In that sense, I'm a
However, to address your point, the belief that you have to apply
patches every other day is incorrect
Not really a belief to be honest, I was being a little sarcastic in the
realm of the evergoing IIS (Is it Secure?) joke. I have worked with IIS
before and yes, I agree with all that you've
Saying this, we have a client who used to use IIS - they thought they
had all of the back-doors bolted... Then one of the Code Red variants
came along and strolled straight through - they now use WSP
Here are some things that IIS allows you to do:
- handle server-side includes (I use
However, to address your point, the belief that you have to
apply patches every other day is incorrect
Not really a belief to be honest, I was being a little
sarcastic in the realm of the evergoing IIS (Is it Secure?)
joke.
I don't think you're picking a fight, as you're raising valid
Saying this, we have a client who used to use IIS - they
thought they had all of the back-doors bolted... Then one
of the Code Red variants came along and strolled straight
through - they now use WSP
Well, I'm glad they're not using IIS then. However, this is an illustration
of their
or version of software.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF MX works on WebSite Pro (was: RE: Ridiculous Problem!)
We're not a hosting house, and from my perspective, free beats cheap
and it worked fine. So, WebSite Pro users (all three of you) rejoice!
Hey this is really awesome news, thanks Dave! I think there are a few of us on here
still :) Heck, cf-talk was born on website-talk even, way back when (a bit of
history for all the latecomers in the audience ;-)
I'm just curious (since this thread is still active), is a
product like Apache or other non-IIS products *proven* to
be more secure, assuming you disable the IIS features you
don't need and apply the appropriate patches? That's not a
rhetorical question, I'm really asking for people's
Well, I'm glad they're not using IIS then. However, this is
an illustration of their inability to configure a server
correctly, rather than an illustration of some special
problem with IIS. I mean, this stuff is just not that hard.
We're talking about ten minutes of initial configuration, or
My biggest issue is that script kiddies attack is BECAUSE
it's Microsoft - I'm not willing to take that risk
If you've configured it properly, what risk are you taking? URLScan will
even let you hide the IIS server banner, so no one'll know you're using it.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF MX works on WebSite Pro (was: RE: Ridiculous Problem!)
We're not a hosting house, and from my perspective, free
I'd pay money for that :)
Me and at least one other person here at my company would 'attend'.
-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF MX works on WebSite Pro (was: RE: Ridiculous Problem
You used to (or maybe still do?) offer a course on server/IIS
security.
Yes, we still offer that course. In fact, I taught it this Monday. We're in
the process of revising the course to cover CF MX specifically, as well as
some other new things that are interesting and useful. More
We're not a hosting house, and from my perspective, free beats cheap.
The
thing is, WebSite doesn't really offer any features that IIS doesn't,
and I
don't think it's any better than IIS, really. IIS has to be set up
correctly, but that's pretty trivial to do. In that sense, I'm a
And people ask me why I don't rush to upgrade all the time. Let me know
what you find Bud, I have the same configuration (I think my dev box even
has the same internal IP number )
Best regards,
Dennis Powers
UXB Internet - A Web Design and Hosting Company
tel: (203)879-2844 fax:
It sounds like you still don't have your CFIDE mapping correct.
Shawn Regan
-Original Message-
From: UXB Internet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ridiculous Problem!
And people ask me why I don't rush to upgrade all the time
Let's be fair... CFMX is not setup to handle Website Pro. I have heard
that Website Pro teams are working on something (according to someone on
this list from last week) for CFMX, but ... if you look at the CFMX
supported webservers, Website Pro is not one of them.
~Todd
At 04:03 PM
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From: Shawn Regan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ridiculous Problem!
It sounds like you still don't have your CFIDE mapping correct.
Shawn Regan
-Original Message-
From: UXB Internet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent
: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ridiculous Problem!
It sounds like you still don't have your CFIDE mapping correct.
Shawn Regan
-Original Message-
From: UXB Internet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ridiculous
Let's be fair... CFMX is not setup to handle Website Pro.
I have heard that Website Pro teams are working on something
(according to someone on this list from last week) for CFMX,
but ... if you look at the CFMX supported webservers, Website
Pro is not one of them.
I don't think Bud is
1. I happen to be one of those Website pro users and there are a lot more than three
of us. Maybe even 5. :)
2. If you don't mind, I'd like to forward this to Bob Denny, who is working on the
issue. If its an easy fix than I'd be exceptionally happy and I'm sure that many
others will be as
1. I happen to be one of those Website pro users and there
are a lot more than three of us. Maybe even 5. :)
I used to be one of them, but just can't justify the per-server cost any
more. Oh, well.
2. If you don't mind, I'd like to forward this to Bob Denny,
who is working on the issue.
- Making the NET work
-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF MX works on WebSite Pro (was: RE: Ridiculous Problem!)
1. I happen to be one of those Website pro users and there are a lot more
mappings not sure how it does in MX.
I have not messed with it yet.
Shawn Regan
-Original Message-
From: Shawn Regan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ridiculous Problem!
It sounds like you still don't have your CFIDE mapping
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