Yes but this was a simple contrived example at how a
social engineering example would work. In reality it
would be a little more complex but social engineering
is a way of "hacking" that combines social interaction
with technology to form a 'best of breed' sort of system
infiltration.

It is all about what you know. Try cracking someone's 4096
bit PHP key, or just put a little recorder on their system
bypassing the encryption all together? (Recent FBI case)
(Okay this is not strictly social engineering but its a
good example of how it works)

You can have the tightest most awesome firewall and the most
secured systems in the world in the world. But if you can trick someone with
privileged access the most strict security measures
are completely useless.

Jeremy Allen
elliptIQ Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Test Hacking a web site.


0_0

You are bad bad person.
*makes copious notes*

Oh..but what if the person at target company knows Phil? Whoever you're
going to be talking to would likely be in Technical at Target Company to
know to FTP files into specific directories on the webserver, and thus
chances are that s/he and Phil had interacted before....

Ahhh HA!

-Gel


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Kemp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

But you missed out one of the best one: social engineering, go to target
companies CF web site and find out who build/designed it (most sites
have this, if not phone). Then go to that companies web site, look at
the case studies and note down the other people they've done work for.

Phone call 1. to the developers to get the name of the person in charge
of developing that project.

"Hi I'm Jim from *made up company* We're looking for some database
backend web work in ColdFusion, and errr... we've been looking at other
web sites to kinda see what things we like and saw *target company
name*, and *couple more companies* it kinda close to what we want, but
I've a couple of questions, could I very quickly ask you, did you work
on them, you did? (or "who did?" can I speak to them)"... ask couple of
half intelligent questions.

Phone call 2. to the target company.

"Hi it's Phil here from *design company name*, we worked on your site.
Dave (person who was in charge), tells me that we need to fix the image
size problem with your site before it starts to become apparent. Trouble
is I'm on holiday so I can't connect and upload the image checking file
I need, I'm stuck in a hotel and can only get to my hotmail account.  If
I email you the file can you put it into the imgs folder for me? Yeah,
if I email to you, can I phone back in about half an hour to check it's
in the right place?  Cheers."

Send encrypted imageCheck.cfm to target person.

Let's see the firewall stop that one!

Dan.

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