Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-06 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Snake wrote: > So do u still get a cfadmin if u do this ? Depends. If the ISV includes it in his distribution and makes it accessible you get it, otherwise you don't. Our preferred scenario is to include a cfadmin but only make it accessible through the built-in webserver. Jochem

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-06 Thread Snake
So do u still get a cfadmin if u do this ? -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 January 2007 11:20 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server AJ Mercer wrote: > If the EAR contains the CF engine, wouldn't this require a lic

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-06 Thread Jochem van Dieten
AJ Mercer wrote: > If the EAR contains the CF engine, wouldn't this require a license too (for > each server it is deployed on)? That is what the ISV does. He delivers a complete application that can be deployed on any standard J2EE server with a license for X CPUs. The hosting party does not ha

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Dave Watts
> I was think more along the lines of competing on a $ level. Perhaps Adobe doesn't want to compete with free products. There's not much money in it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our tra

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Dave Watts
> If the EAR contains the CF engine, wouldn't this require a > license too (for each server it is deployed on)? Yes, it does. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washin

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread AJ Mercer
PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2007 03:01 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server > > Yep - something for Adobe to release - to compete with Railo/smith/BD. > > > On 1/5/07, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >>

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread AJ Mercer
If the EAR contains the CF engine, wouldn't this require a license too (for each server it is deployed on)? On 1/6/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > And how would they compile your CFML pages into Java ? > > You need ColdFusion server for that. > > The EAR/WAR deployment option actua

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Snake
Correct! -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2007 18:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server Snake wrote: > And how would they compile your CFML pages into Java ? > You need ColdFusion server for that. The developer

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Snake wrote: > And how would they compile your CFML pages into Java ? > You need ColdFusion server for that. The developer needs CF to create the EAR file. At the place you are deploying all you need is a J2EE server. Jochem ~

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Dave Watts
> And how would they compile your CFML pages into Java ? > You need ColdFusion server for that. The EAR/WAR deployment option actually includes the entire ColdFusion server. With the sourceless deployment, you don't need to compile anything anyway - it's precompiled. But you do need the CF runtime

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Snake
And how would they compile your CFML pages into Java ? You need ColdFusion server for that. -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2007 15:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server Snake wrote: > I believe you need C

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Snake wrote: > I believe you need CFMX Enterprise to actually do the sourceless deployment > though. No, you need a J2EE server (like the free JBoss and Glassfish) or a Servlet engine (like Tomcat). Jochem ~| Create robust ente

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Snake
: Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server OK, well working on that basis - what is to stop me from buying only one server for building my WAR files and deploying them to a whole host of j2ee containers in my test and production environments? Even more than that, do I even have to pay for CFMX is dev edition is

RE: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Snake
They already have something to complete with Railo/Smith/BD Its called ColdFusion MX Russ -Original Message- From: AJ Mercer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2007 03:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server Yep - something for Adobe to release - to compete with

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Neil Middleton wrote: > OK, well working on that basis - what is to stop me from buying only one > server for building my WAR files and deploying them to a whole host of j2ee > containers in my test and production environments? Your professional ethic. Just like your professional ethic is stopping

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Neil Middleton
OK, well working on that basis - what is to stop me from buying only one server for building my WAR files and deploying them to a whole host of j2ee containers in my test and production environments? Even more than that, do I even have to pay for CFMX is dev edition is free (assuming it can also d

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
AJ Mercer wrote: > you mean something like tomcat or jBoss? Yes. Jochem ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.ado

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread AJ Mercer
you mean something like tomcat or jBoss? I was wonder if that was possible. On 1/5/07, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > AJ Mercer wrote: > > I have an idea for a free ColdFusion server product that would I like to > put > > out there for discussion : A CF runtime server > > > > Th

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-05 Thread Jochem van Dieten
AJ Mercer wrote: > I have an idea for a free ColdFusion server product that would I like to put > out there for discussion : A CF runtime server > > The runtime server is like the CF server, but with no compiler. > You develop and compile your web application on a licensed product, and then > pack

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-04 Thread AJ Mercer
Yep - something for Adobe to release - to compete with Railo/smith/BD. On 1/5/07, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I guess the free/trail developer edition should not be able to > produce the > package that can be deployed to the runtime version. > > Oh, your idea is that Adobe

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-04 Thread Claude Schneegans
>>I guess the free/trail developer edition should not be able to produce the package that can be deployed to the runtime version. Oh, your idea is that Adobe would develop this tool? I thought you had this idea for yourself ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-04 Thread AJ Mercer
I guess the free/trail developer edition should not be able to produce the package that can be deployed to the runtime version. On 1/5/07, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>and Adobe would still get to sell licenses. > > No so sure about that, since the run time must be produced b

Re: RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-04 Thread Claude Schneegans
>>and Adobe would still get to sell licenses. No so sure about that, since the run time must be produced by some developer, and the developer version is free. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (P

RFC: CFMX Runtime Server

2007-01-04 Thread AJ Mercer
I have an idea for a free ColdFusion server product that would I like to put out there for discussion : A CF runtime server The runtime server is like the CF server, but with no compiler. You develop and compile your web application on a licensed product, and then package it up as a sourceless dep