Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-22 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 21 Jan 2008, Dave Watts wrote: On the other hand, to be successful, your application simply has to be no slower than your competitors' while providing the same level of functionality and reliability. That's a very interesting take on it, cool. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to centrally

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-22 Thread Neil Middleton
I kinda disagree on this. For me, you only need to look at performance overall if you are slower than your competitors, but that first hit should always be nice and snappy. Once the user is looking at your site, they are less likely to run off on the first slow page hit. Neil On Jan 21, 2008

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-22 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page? On Monday 21 Jan 2008, Dave Watts wrote: On the other hand, to be successful, your

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-22 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Neil Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page? I kinda disagree on this. For me, you only need to look at performance overall if you

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-22 Thread Jerry Guido
Speed is important in the CONTEXT of that experience but isn't the SUM of it. Usability is a huge, almost completely overlooked (by most organizations) part of that: people will pay more, suffer lag and accept fewer features to work with a highly usable system. I am willing to wait quite a bit

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-22 Thread Joel Stobart
I agree with the 1 to 2 seconds on Broadband. I allow 10 seconds on my phone. Its all to do with how long you think it *should* take. I just though I would share with everyone a really interesting page on the android website. http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/philosophy.html. It

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Sunday 20 Jan 2008, Dave Francis wrote: Slightly different scenario, but back in the days of big iron (CICS and 3270? terminals), IBM came up with a study that stated that anything over a 2sec response time caused anxiety in the user. Different era. Users are more used to waiting for things

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page? On Sunday 20 Jan 2008, Dave Francis wrote: Slightly different scenario, but back in the

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread Dave Watts
It's a pet peeve of mine (I'm not really talking about what you said) but developer's really have to stop assuming that people are as sophisticated as they are. More specifically (and less arrogantly) they have to stop assuming that people actually give a rat's ass about the stuff they

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread Don L
This is a great thread with very interesting inputs and I want to thank everyone for that. Here's my take (not research result but more on 'gut' instinct), different demographics may have a slightly different tolerant level for page loading speed. The younger could be less tolerant of speed

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread James Wolfe
4 seconds http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6131668.stm Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts. How many milliseconds should it take for a site's home page to load? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread Sonny Savage
Seems like 4.2 seconds should have been the answer... On Jan 21, 2008 2:58 PM, James Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4 seconds http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6131668.stm Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts. How many milliseconds should it take for a site's home page to

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread Neil Middleton
Normally I work to a rule of around 2 seconds perceived time before stuff starts appearing on the page with everything else appearing in the next two. The thing with page loads aren't anything to do with ms duration in CF, but the perception by the user. The user does give a t*ss what

Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-21 Thread Nate Willard
Thanks for everyone's thoughts on around this topic. I enjoyed reading your comments. Incase anyone's interested I highly recommend Yahoo!'s yslow: http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ its a great tool for performance issues around this topic. Right now my goal is to always have the site I'm

poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-20 Thread Nate Willard
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Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-20 Thread s. isaac dealey
IIRC when Macromedia had launched their new website a few years ago (Dylan I think they called it), they published a few articles that described web-wide averages as well as their own targets (the research they'd done during the planning phase). They hit their target of having pages load

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-20 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
I believe users are generally okay with waiting a little longer for pages that are returning data dynamically from a search for example Well, the kind of users who visited MM may be a good basis for that but the average user doesn't know or care that there is a database even involved. They

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-20 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Nate Willard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page? Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts. How many milliseconds should it take for a

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-20 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page? IIRC when Macromedia had launched their new website a few years ago (Dylan I think they

RE: poll - How many MS should it take to load a site's home page?

2008-01-20 Thread Dave Francis
Slightly different scenario, but back in the days of big iron (CICS and 3270? terminals), IBM came up with a study that stated that anything over a 2sec response time caused anxiety in the user. -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008