RE: CDN and Coldfusion
Has anyone tested CloudFlare with CF? http://www.cloudflare.com/ From the description it sounds like a CDN-light, with a free option. Regards, Hugo -- Hugo Ahlenius - Hugo AhleniusE-Mail: hugo.ahlenius(at)nordpil.com Phone:+46 75 7575284 Nordpil Fax: +46 8 6747020 http://nordpil.com Mobile: +46 733 467111 Skype: callto:hugo.ahlenius vCard:http://nordpil.com/hugoahlenius.vcf - ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345362 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
Hi Donnie, First off, let me just say I'm no CDN expert but have used CDN's several times and am fairly familiar with them. From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a mirrored server. CDN's are for distributing content like images, css, javascript and any other client based content. One thing worth mentioning though, is that (according to yahoo***) an average of 80% of the front end load time is spent loading what a CDN is capable of distributing. Also, when your server is far away from your client user, the client based content will be slower however the server response time won't slow down. IE; if a page take 5 seconds to load from china and 2 seconds from the US, the server response time will be the same for both users. It is the time taken to load the client content like images and css that will slow the load time, not the server response. Make sense? ***http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html Thanks, Paul Alkema http://paulalkema.com http://twitter.com/#!/paulalkema On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Donnie Carvajal donnie.carva...@transformyx.com wrote: Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the actual content is distributed, not just images and documents? Thanks, Donnie ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345325 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
Oh yeah! Something else just mentioning is that if your not hooked on Akamai as your CDN, I've found Amazon CloudFront to be reliable and relatively inexpensive. : ) http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/ Paul Alkema http://paulalkema.com http://twitter.com/#!/paulalkema ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345326 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a mirrored server. CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated. You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database replication, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345327 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
I think what your describing is more of mirrored servers than a Content Delivery Network. Mirrored servers are a completely different story, he could use mirrored servers if he doesn't mind spending that kind of money. I prefer CDN's. Cheaper, almost as effective and easier to maintain. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a mirrored server. CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated. You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database replication, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
Or use screen scrapes... which is what I think one of your FED based clients uses ;). I'm not 100% on that, as I tried to stay as far away as humanly possible from that part of the deployment. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog On 6/15/2011 10:52 AM, Dave Watts wrote: CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated. You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database replication, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
You could possibly do it using NOSQL or similar. What I have done in the past is simply have round robin DNS pointing to 3 locations with 3 copies of the content. Or you can have a redirection system that chooses ww1, ww2 or ww3 as the domain to grab the content from. which is pretty much how CDN works, they give you the scripts that do this for you. . On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Matthew Williams mai...@geodesicgrafx.comwrote: Or use screen scrapes... which is what I think one of your FED based clients uses ;). I'm not 100% on that, as I tried to stay as far away as humanly possible from that part of the deployment. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog On 6/15/2011 10:52 AM, Dave Watts wrote: CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated. You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database replication, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345330 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
+1 for CloudFront on Amazon S3. From: Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion Oh yeah! Something else just mentioning is that if your not hooked on Akamai as your CDN, I've found Amazon CloudFront to be reliable and relatively inexpensive. : ) http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/ Paul Alkema http://paulalkema.com http://twitter.com/#!/paulalkema ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345331 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CDN and Coldfusion
I've experimented with Railo on Amazon's Elastic Beanstalk, connect that to an Amazon DB instance and you've got your distributed CF. Host images and other media in an Amazon EC3 bucket and you've got your CDN. Don't run one of their SQL Server Windows instances or you might as well just give Amazon your credit card, the rest you can probably get as part of the free tier so it shouldn't cost too much :) There's an excellent how-to blog here if you want to get railo running on elastic beanstalk http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm/railo-on-aws-elastic-beanstalk -Original Message- From: Paul Alkema [mailto:paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 June 2011 16:00 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion I think what your describing is more of mirrored servers than a Content Delivery Network. Mirrored servers are a completely different story, he could use mirrored servers if he doesn't mind spending that kind of money. I prefer CDN's. Cheaper, almost as effective and easier to maintain. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: From what it sounds like, your asking if you can have a CDN run and distribute ColdFusion applications? As far as I know, this isn't a capability of a CDN, that would be more for something like a mirrored server. CDNs can be used with dynamic content, but it gets ... complicated. You can, for example, distribute edge servers, use in-memory database replication, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~~~ ~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion- Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/message.cfm/messageid:345328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf- talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345332 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
Hi, Thanks for all of the responses. We are indeed trying to find another solution for having mirrored sites that we would have to manage. We have 5,000 CMS clients on the system and that is a ton of files (images, documents, css, etc.) to mirror, so a CDN seems like a better fit, but then that leaves the Coldfusion generated content. We are trying to determine if it would be better (cost vs. management headaches) to use the CDN to distribute the ColdFusion content as well or mirror. Donnie ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345333 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
Ditto. +1 for CloudFront . You can also use CloudFront in conjunction with S3. You can talk to S3 using CFFile and CFDirectory (with CF9) much like it was a local file system. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSd160b5fdf5100e8f-4439fdac128193edfd6-7f0a.html G! On Jun 15, 2011 11:13 AM, Jason Fisher ja...@wanax.com wrote: +1 for CloudFront on Amazon S3. From: Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:50 AM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion Oh yeah! Something else just mentioning is that if your not hooked on Akamai as your CDN, I've found Amazon CloudFront to be reliable and relatively inexpensive. : ) http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/ Paul Alkema http://paulalkema.com http://twitter.com/#!/paulalkema ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345335 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
I think what your describing is more of mirrored servers than a Content Delivery Network. Mirrored servers are a completely different story, he could use mirrored servers if he doesn't mind spending that kind of money. Well, typically these aren't just mirrored servers. By using edge servers deployed on a CDNs internal network, those servers are physically closer to regional users. And they typically don't just have a copy of whatever's on your central cluster - they have a simplified version, or chunk-based caching, etc, etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345337 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
In that situation specifically I cannot recommend Amazon S3 + CloudFront more. It's been truly outstanding for us. We set up separate S3 buckets for each of our CMS websites and CloudFront takes care of the edge distribution. As someone else has already noted, you can mount an S3 bucket as a mapped network drive in ColdFusion, so that s3:\\mys3bucket.mydomain.com is usable like any other network drive for file and directory operations. Great stuff. From: Donnie Carvajal donnie.carva...@transformyx.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:22 AM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CDN and Coldfusion Hi, Thanks for all of the responses. We are indeed trying to find another solution for having mirrored sites that we would have to manage. We have 5,000 CMS clients on the system and that is a ton of files (images, documents, css, etc.) to mirror, so a CDN seems like a better fit, but then that leaves the Coldfusion generated content. We are trying to determine if it would be better (cost vs. management headaches) to use the CDN to distribute the ColdFusion content as well or mirror. Donnie ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345341 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CDN and Coldfusion
Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the actual content is distributed, not just images and documents? Thanks, Donnie ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345309 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
Oh greatat technical acronym is the same as our Canadian curency abbreviation - CDN I've worked with many Canadiansbut not like Akamai ;-) OK...I'm done On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 17:17 -0400, Donnie Carvajal wrote: Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the actual content is distributed, not just images and documents? Thanks, Donnie ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345310 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
I know using a CDN can be done - a former client of my ran their CFM powered eComm site through a CDN service. I have no clue how it was setup though. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 14, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Oh greatat technical acronym is the same as our Canadian curency abbreviation - CDN I've worked with many Canadiansbut not like Akamai ;-) OK...I'm done On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 17:17 -0400, Donnie Carvajal wrote: Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the actual content is distributed, not just images and documents? Thanks, Donnie ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345311 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CDN and Coldfusion
Has anyone ever worked with a CDN like Akamai with Coldfusion where the actual content is distributed, not just images and documents? Yes. We have several clients using Akamai with CF applications. They have a few different approaches for dealing with dynamically-generated content. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345312 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
