RE: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Dave, His original post mentioned hs_pid* logs with out of memory errors I believe. -mark -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:46 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting We had this problem on CF8. CF had been restarting on an almost daily basis. After much more research, we added the -Xint option to the JVM settings. This forces the JVM to run in interpreter mode and disables the Hotspot compiler. This hotspot compiler was causing the JVM to crash for some reason and this has now been running without any restarts. While this prevents Hotspot problems, it can severely degrade performance. If you can identify the root cause of the problem and fix it, that would be a good idea. You might try simply upgrading your JVM for a start, if you can. You might also look at the hs_pid*.log files that get created when a Hotspot error occurs to see if you can identify the specific problem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341507 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
His original post mentioned hs_pid* logs with out of memory errors I believe. Well then, it would be a good idea to investigate that further. Are they using a 64-bit JVM? Etc. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Hey Dave, We had this problem on CF8. CF had been restarting on an almost daily basis. After much more research, we added the -Xint option to the JVM settings. This forces the JVM to run in interpreter mode and disables the Hotspot compiler. This hotspot compiler was causing the JVM to crash for some reason and this has now been running without any restarts. Hope this helps. Jared Hi Carl, It was an java.lang.OutOfMemoryError, that we are seeing in the hs_err_pxxx log. We are still looking to see what is causing this -Dave Thanks All... looks like our issue is related to running out of swap space Curious. Did you have java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Out of swap space in OUT log? Was RAM or HD not have sufficient space? Regards, Carl. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341365 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
We had this problem on CF8. CF had been restarting on an almost daily basis. After much more research, we added the -Xint option to the JVM settings. This forces the JVM to run in interpreter mode and disables the Hotspot compiler. This hotspot compiler was causing the JVM to crash for some reason and this has now been running without any restarts. While this prevents Hotspot problems, it can severely degrade performance. If you can identify the root cause of the problem and fix it, that would be a good idea. You might try simply upgrading your JVM for a start, if you can. You might also look at the hs_pid*.log files that get created when a Hotspot error occurs to see if you can identify the specific problem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341493 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Hi Carl, It was an java.lang.OutOfMemoryError, that we are seeing in the hs_err_pxxx log. We are still looking to see what is causing this -Dave On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Carl Meyer ca...@tassweb.com.au wrote: Thanks All... looks like our issue is related to running out of swap space Curious. Did you have java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Out of swap space in OUT log? Was RAM or HD not have sufficient space? Regards, Carl. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339674 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Thanks All... looks like our issue is related to running out of swap space -Dave On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Mark A. Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: That's the right track for this look for log files in the /bin directory... my guess is you have hot spot errors that are killing the server. Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Carl Meyer [mailto:ca...@tassweb.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:01 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Hi Dave, Are there any HS_ERR_PID.* files in CF\runtime\bin ? What about OUT log any details for the time CF\runtime\logs ? HTH, Carl. None of our developers use CF Builder (or have access to the code on the production machine) -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339629 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Thanks All... looks like our issue is related to running out of swap space Curious. Did you have java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Out of swap space in OUT log? Was RAM or HD not have sufficient space? Regards, Carl. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339641 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. From what we can tell, this has been happening since we upgraded from CF7 back in April. There is no pattern that we can see to the restarts either, and the logs don't show us any errors either. It seems to happen every couple of days. Has anyone else encountered this type of error before, or have a suggestion for where to look? Thanks -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339568 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Dave, CF can't usually restart itself, if it dies then it dies, so you must have something else in the mix. If this is a windows box then check the service properties and see if it is set to restart if unresponsive. Also if you use FusionReactor, the latest version includes options to auto restart CF. -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:15 To: cf-talk Subject: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. From what we can tell, this has been happening since we upgraded from CF7 back in April. There is no pattern that we can see to the restarts either, and the logs don't show us any errors either. It seems to happen every couple of days. Has anyone else encountered this type of error before, or have a suggestion for where to look? Thanks -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339570 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Russ, We don't have FusionReactor installed in production, and the service is set to take no action if it fails for any reason -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Dave, CF can't usually restart itself, if it dies then it dies, so you must have something else in the mix. If this is a windows box then check the service properties and see if it is set to restart if unresponsive. Also if you use FusionReactor, the latest version includes options to auto restart CF. -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:15 To: cf-talk Subject: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. From what we can tell, this has been happening since we upgraded from CF7 back in April. There is no pattern that we can see to the restarts either, and the logs don't show us any errors either. It seems to happen every couple of days. Has anyone else encountered this type of error before, or have a suggestion for where to look? Thanks -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339571 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Are you sure CF has actually restarted or is it just your application restarting ? Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:50 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Russ, We don't have FusionReactor installed in production, and the service is set to take no action if it fails for any reason -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Dave, CF can't usually restart itself, if it dies then it dies, so you must have something else in the mix. If this is a windows box then check the service properties and see if it is set to restart if unresponsive. Also if you use FusionReactor, the latest version includes options to auto restart CF. -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:15 To: cf-talk Subject: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. From what we can tell, this has been happening since we upgraded from CF7 back in April. There is no pattern that we can see to the restarts either, and the logs don't show us any errors either. It seems to happen every couple of days. Has anyone else encountered this type of error before, or have a suggestion for where to look? Thanks -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339572 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Yes, we are recieveing the following error in the Windows Application log 'The ColdFusion 9 Application Server service for the coldfusion server is restarting.' Also, in CF server log, we are seeing the server come back up. -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Are you sure CF has actually restarted or is it just your application restarting ? Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:50 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Russ, We don't have FusionReactor installed in production, and the service is set to take no action if it fails for any reason -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Dave, CF can't usually restart itself, if it dies then it dies, so you must have something else in the mix. If this is a windows box then check the service properties and see if it is set to restart if unresponsive. Also if you use FusionReactor, the latest version includes options to auto restart CF. -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:15 To: cf-talk Subject: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. From what we can tell, this has been happening since we upgraded from CF7 back in April. There is no pattern that we can see to the restarts either, and the logs don't show us any errors either. It seems to happen every couple of days. Has anyone else encountered this type of error before, or have a suggestion for where to look? Thanks -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339573 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Do you have any developers with CF Builder who might be restarting services on the server from Builder's Server tab? From: Dave Sueltenfuss dsueltenf...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:01 AM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Yes, we are recieveing the following error in the Windows Application log 'The ColdFusion 9 Application Server service for the coldfusion server is restarting.' Also, in CF server log, we are seeing the server come back up. -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Are you sure CF has actually restarted or is it just your application restarting ? Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:50 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Russ, We don't have FusionReactor installed in production, and the service is set to take no action if it fails for any reason -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Dave, CF can't usually restart itself, if it dies then it dies, so you must have something else in the mix. If this is a windows box then check the service properties and see if it is set to restart if unresponsive. Also if you use FusionReactor, the latest version includes options to auto restart CF. -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:15 To: cf-talk Subject: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. From what we can tell, this has been happening since we upgraded from CF7 back in April. There is no pattern that we can see to the restarts either, and the logs don't show us any errors either. It seems to happen every couple of days. Has anyone else encountered this type of error before, or have a suggestion for where to look? Thanks -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dave Sueltenfuss wrote: We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. Does it restart the CF service wrapper (jrunsvc.exe) or the CF process (jrun.exe)? If the service wrapper restarts, look outside CF for the cause. If the process restarts, see whether there are any memory dumps from the VM anywhere or what the last loglines in int -out.log and the -event.log are. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339576 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
None of our developers use CF Builder (or have access to the code on the production machine) -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jason Fisher ja...@wanax.com wrote: Do you have any developers with CF Builder who might be restarting services on the server from Builder's Server tab? From: Dave Sueltenfuss dsueltenf...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 11:01 AM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Yes, we are recieveing the following error in the Windows Application log 'The ColdFusion 9 Application Server service for the coldfusion server is restarting.' Also, in CF server log, we are seeing the server come back up. -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Are you sure CF has actually restarted or is it just your application restarting ? Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:50 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Russ, We don't have FusionReactor installed in production, and the service is set to take no action if it fails for any reason -Dave On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Dave, CF can't usually restart itself, if it dies then it dies, so you must have something else in the mix. If this is a windows box then check the service properties and see if it is set to restart if unresponsive. Also if you use FusionReactor, the latest version includes options to auto restart CF. -Original Message- From: Dave Sueltenfuss [mailto:dsueltenf...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 15:15 To: cf-talk Subject: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. From what we can tell, this has been happening since we upgraded from CF7 back in April. There is no pattern that we can see to the restarts either, and the logs don't show us any errors either. It seems to happen every couple of days. Has anyone else encountered this type of error before, or have a suggestion for where to look? Thanks -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339582 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
It appears to be the Service Wrapper thats restarting, based on the Windows Application log On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Jochem van Dieten joch...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dave Sueltenfuss wrote: We have a CF 9.0.1 server 32 bit, in production that randomly restarts the CF service. Does it restart the CF service wrapper (jrunsvc.exe) or the CF process (jrun.exe)? If the service wrapper restarts, look outside CF for the cause. If the process restarts, see whether there are any memory dumps from the VM anywhere or what the last loglines in int -out.log and the -event.log are. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339583 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Dave Sueltenfuss wrote: It appears to be the Service Wrapper thats restarting, based on the Windows Application log Don't trust the application log, look at the PIDs. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339596 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Hi Dave, Are there any HS_ERR_PID.* files in CF\runtime\bin ? What about OUT log any details for the time CF\runtime\logs ? HTH, Carl. None of our developers use CF Builder (or have access to the code on the production machine) -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
Hi Dave, Are there any HS_ERR_PID.* files in CF\runtime\bin ? What about OUT log any details for the time CF\runtime\logs ? HTH, Carl. None of our developers use CF Builder (or have access to the code on the production machine) -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339613 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting
That's the right track for this look for log files in the /bin directory... my guess is you have hot spot errors that are killing the server. Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Carl Meyer [mailto:ca...@tassweb.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:01 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF9 Service Randomly Restarting Hi Dave, Are there any HS_ERR_PID.* files in CF\runtime\bin ? What about OUT log any details for the time CF\runtime\logs ? HTH, Carl. None of our developers use CF Builder (or have access to the code on the production machine) -Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
