RE: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Good summary, Rick. Aside from a few customers I still support I'm not looking for more. I found CF very easy to learn because it was a tag based system and I already knew html, it felt familiar. I can just about work out what's going on in a piece of c++, for example, but it's so much easier in CF. I'm strangely sad to leave CF behind, but nothing lasts forever. I do feel that if Adobe had supported the product and marketed it, it would have lasted a little longer and been a lot more fun while it was in it's heyday. One thing that I have noticed is often overlooked. PHP developers generated a LOT of pretty darn good open source applications. CMS, countless eCommerce apps, BBS/forums. I often wonder why so little was done like this by developers for CF. -Original Message- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:r...@webenergy.ca] Sent: 18 March 2014 17:53 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail I come from the days of Everyware and Pervasive using the Tango technology. Same idea as CF being a tag-based language with an application server. Tag-based is easier to learn and has many benefits. When Macromedia bought CF, it was a God-send to integrate CF and Dreamweaver together without having to use Homesite or the bulky Allaire CF editor. Unfortunately, Macromedia bombed when it came to marketing Cold Fusion. Remember Ultradev? Macromedia's response to a WYSIWYG java, html, database application which was supposed to replace Dreamweaver? Macromedia focused too much on Ultradev and ignored the much needed CF marketing. Fast forward to Adobe (The document and printing solutions company) with failing web products to buy Macromedia. Like everyone, I was hoping for a re-brand of CF. Nothing happened. They never marketed it. At a trade show in New York (Internet World) I went to the Adobe booth. No one wanted to talk about CF, and there was one brochure with a paragraph mentioning CF that's it. Adobe came out with Cold Fusion Builder which is sort of nifty, but not nearly as good as Dreamweaver for building CF websites. Now Adobe is pushing their Creative Cloud (copying Office 365 are we?) which I would never use because of the continuous hacks to Adobe's servers and private information breaches. So what are the alternatives? PhP. Not secure, messy code, can't load balance between multiple servers unless you BUY an app server for it. Most PhP hosters throw the web server, database server and email server on the same box and call it a day. I programmed PhP code for a year and will never do it again. The problems with hacking, SQL injection attacks, URL hacks etc... take up time to fix at the developer's expense. PhP, Linux, MYSQL, Cpanel, Wordpress Joomla and many others are free. You get what you pay for. A proper coded CF site won't get hacked if the code is well written and the server is configured properly. There's ASP.net but personally I don't want to program something for 3 months in .NET that takes 3 weeks in CF. Plus Microsoft changes things around way too much, and Visual Studio is stupid expensive. Sure there's Expression web (does anyone really use it?) and some plugins for Dreamweaver. There's Dot Net Nuke if you have lots of time on your hands too. Most of my clients don't want to wait. And .NET developers are the snobs of the development community expecting high hourly rates. Content Management Server was a nice touch if you had deep pockets and lots of staff to maintain multiple servers but Microsoft did away with that too. Is CF dying? It is dying a slow death in my opinion. Adobe has dropped the ball with marketing. Heck, they don't even use it on their own site! PhP is the internet king for programming, and Wordpress is keeping developers making thousands of plugins for it. In the technical colleges and universities they teach PhP, Java, and .NET. New developers aren't even exposed to CF anymore. When you say Adobe, the first 2 things that come to mind are PDF and Photoshop. I'll continue to use CF for as long as I can, then just leave the web development game since the only player is PhP and I don't have the time nor desire to get into that technology. Kind Regards, Rick Sanders T: 902-401-7689 W: www.webenergy.ca -Original Message- From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:32 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. Agree, now. I think at that moment in webdev history, it served a purpose, which was ease of entry in to development. Now, it's a liability, seems
RE: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I think that comes down to the fact that cf itself was not free so did not encourage the development of foss. They all wanted to make money from their work. It also comes down to sheer number of developers I think, which encourages collaboration, which was also lacking in cf land. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 26 Mar 2014 00:56, Jenny Gavin-Wear jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote: Good summary, Rick. Aside from a few customers I still support I'm not looking for more. I found CF very easy to learn because it was a tag based system and I already knew html, it felt familiar. I can just about work out what's going on in a piece of c++, for example, but it's so much easier in CF. I'm strangely sad to leave CF behind, but nothing lasts forever. I do feel that if Adobe had supported the product and marketed it, it would have lasted a little longer and been a lot more fun while it was in it's heyday. One thing that I have noticed is often overlooked. PHP developers generated a LOT of pretty darn good open source applications. CMS, countless eCommerce apps, BBS/forums. I often wonder why so little was done like this by developers for CF. -Original Message- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:r...@webenergy.ca] Sent: 18 March 2014 17:53 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail I come from the days of Everyware and Pervasive using the Tango technology. Same idea as CF being a tag-based language with an application server. Tag-based is easier to learn and has many benefits. When Macromedia bought CF, it was a God-send to integrate CF and Dreamweaver together without having to use Homesite or the bulky Allaire CF editor. Unfortunately, Macromedia bombed when it came to marketing Cold Fusion. Remember Ultradev? Macromedia's response to a WYSIWYG java, html, database application which was supposed to replace Dreamweaver? Macromedia focused too much on Ultradev and ignored the much needed CF marketing. Fast forward to Adobe (The document and printing solutions company) with failing web products to buy Macromedia. Like everyone, I was hoping for a re-brand of CF. Nothing happened. They never marketed it. At a trade show in New York (Internet World) I went to the Adobe booth. No one wanted to talk about CF, and there was one brochure with a paragraph mentioning CF that's it. Adobe came out with Cold Fusion Builder which is sort of nifty, but not nearly as good as Dreamweaver for building CF websites. Now Adobe is pushing their Creative Cloud (copying Office 365 are we?) which I would never use because of the continuous hacks to Adobe's servers and private information breaches. So what are the alternatives? PhP. Not secure, messy code, can't load balance between multiple servers unless you BUY an app server for it. Most PhP hosters throw the web server, database server and email server on the same box and call it a day. I programmed PhP code for a year and will never do it again. The problems with hacking, SQL injection attacks, URL hacks etc... take up time to fix at the developer's expense. PhP, Linux, MYSQL, Cpanel, Wordpress Joomla and many others are free. You get what you pay for. A proper coded CF site won't get hacked if the code is well written and the server is configured properly. There's ASP.net but personally I don't want to program something for 3 months in .NET that takes 3 weeks in CF. Plus Microsoft changes things around way too much, and Visual Studio is stupid expensive. Sure there's Expression web (does anyone really use it?) and some plugins for Dreamweaver. There's Dot Net Nuke if you have lots of time on your hands too. Most of my clients don't want to wait. And .NET developers are the snobs of the development community expecting high hourly rates. Content Management Server was a nice touch if you had deep pockets and lots of staff to maintain multiple servers but Microsoft did away with that too. Is CF dying? It is dying a slow death in my opinion. Adobe has dropped the ball with marketing. Heck, they don't even use it on their own site! PhP is the internet king for programming, and Wordpress is keeping developers making thousands of plugins for it. In the technical colleges and universities they teach PhP, Java, and .NET. New developers aren't even exposed to CF anymore. When you say Adobe, the first 2 things that come to mind are PDF and Photoshop. I'll continue to use CF for as long as I can, then just leave the web development game since the only player is PhP and I don't have the time nor desire to get into that technology. Kind Regards, Rick Sanders T: 902-401-7689 W: www.webenergy.ca -Original Message- From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:32 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail On Mar 18, 2014, at 10
CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
so some people think it is not real code ... and these people are real morons ;-) Being tag oriented, compatible with HTML, makes CF the most developper friendly language ever. Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358017 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, Come on, can you imagine a CF developper who wouldn't know at least HTML? how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Just because the code and the HTML it is intended to produced are integrated within the same syntax. That makes any template looks like ONE program written in ONE language, not a program written in one language and another program in another language embeded in strings in the first language. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358019 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. Agree, now. I think at that moment in webdev history, it served a purpose, which was ease of entry in to development. Now, its a liability, seems antiquated, and is unnecessarily verbose - especially if you are coming from a different programming language. I do like wrapping an entire content block with cfoutput and just double escaping the pound symbols, as necessary, compared to having to deal with ?php echo $variable? or PHP short tags ?= $variables ?. I havent written a tag-based component in a long while though, as I can build something out faster in script - especially when Im coming back to CF after using a different language for a bit. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358020 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
And people wonder why they think ColdFusion is old and outdated when someone comes along and makes the comment that tags are the best thing about ColdFusion Really, it was in the days when that was the thing, 20 years later the world has moved on and so should those developers who continually think that cftags is better than script. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: so some people think it is not real code ... and these people are real morons ;-) Being tag oriented, compatible with HTML, makes CF the most developper friendly language ever. Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358021 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Just because the code and the HTML it is intended to produced are integrated within the same syntax. That makes any template looks like ONE program written in ONE language, not a program written in one language and another program in another language embeded in strings in the first language. Which describes your views, and that's fine to have the odd control statement etc within them. But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358022 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358023 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
On 18 March 2014 14:53, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.com wrote: But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. Well... presuming you organise your code AT ALL. It doesn't need to be via a framework. But I guess you've got even bigger code challenges if yer *not* using a framework of some description. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358024 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. MVC and/or frameworks aren't the reason you should write your applications using object-oriented code. Making your life easier as a developer in reducing duplication of effort, logic and ease of application maintenance trumps using procedural code, time and again, in all respects. We seem to have moved off-topic, though . : ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358025 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. Well, if you really like masochistic constraints like MVC just to make things more accademic, you can, but you will still use CF to code the views and the data, and working with the same language in the SGML family simply makes it easier. You can even make your CF code compatible with XHTML if you like religions, although XHTML has been officially abandoned. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358028 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I come from the days of Everyware and Pervasive using the Tango technology. Same idea as CF being a tag-based language with an application server. Tag-based is easier to learn and has many benefits. When Macromedia bought CF, it was a God-send to integrate CF and Dreamweaver together without having to use Homesite or the bulky Allaire CF editor. Unfortunately, Macromedia bombed when it came to marketing Cold Fusion. Remember Ultradev? Macromedia's response to a WYSIWYG java, html, database application which was supposed to replace Dreamweaver? Macromedia focused too much on Ultradev and ignored the much needed CF marketing. Fast forward to Adobe (The document and printing solutions company) with failing web products to buy Macromedia. Like everyone, I was hoping for a re-brand of CF. Nothing happened. They never marketed it. At a trade show in New York (Internet World) I went to the Adobe booth. No one wanted to talk about CF, and there was one brochure with a paragraph mentioning CF that's it. Adobe came out with Cold Fusion Builder which is sort of nifty, but not nearly as good as Dreamweaver for building CF websites. Now Adobe is pushing their Creative Cloud (copying Office 365 are we?) which I would never use because of the continuous hacks to Adobe's servers and private information breaches. So what are the alternatives? PhP. Not secure, messy code, can't load balance between multiple servers unless you BUY an app server for it. Most PhP hosters throw the web server, database server and email server on the same box and call it a day. I programmed PhP code for a year and will never do it again. The problems with hacking, SQL injection attacks, URL hacks etc... take up time to fix at the developer's expense. PhP, Linux, MYSQL, Cpanel, Wordpress Joomla and many others are free. You get what you pay for. A proper coded CF site won't get hacked if the code is well written and the server is configured properly. There's ASP.net but personally I don't want to program something for 3 months in .NET that takes 3 weeks in CF. Plus Microsoft changes things around way too much, and Visual Studio is stupid expensive. Sure there's Expression web (does anyone really use it?) and some plugins for Dreamweaver. There's Dot Net Nuke if you have lots of time on your hands too. Most of my clients don't want to wait. And .NET developers are the snobs of the development community expecting high hourly rates. Content Management Server was a nice touch if you had deep pockets and lots of staff to maintain multiple servers but Microsoft did away with that too. Is CF dying? It is dying a slow death in my opinion. Adobe has dropped the ball with marketing. Heck, they don't even use it on their own site! PhP is the internet king for programming, and Wordpress is keeping developers making thousands of plugins for it. In the technical colleges and universities they teach PhP, Java, and .NET. New developers aren't even exposed to CF anymore. When you say Adobe, the first 2 things that come to mind are PDF and Photoshop. I'll continue to use CF for as long as I can, then just leave the web development game since the only player is PhP and I don't have the time nor desire to get into that technology. Kind Regards, Rick Sanders T: 902-401-7689 W: www.webenergy.ca -Original Message- From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:32 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. Agree, now. I think at that moment in webdev history, it served a purpose, which was ease of entry in to development. Now, it's a liability, seems antiquated, and is unnecessarily verbose - especially if you are coming from a different programming language. I do like wrapping an entire content block with cfoutput and just double escaping the pound symbols, as necessary, compared to having to deal with ?php echo $variable? or PHP short tags ?= $variables ?. I haven't written a tag-based component in a long while though, as I can build something out faster in script - especially when I'm coming back to CF after using a different language for a bit. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358031 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I completely agree with you, on all points. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358033 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Marketing wise, Adobe is doing not a lot to nothing. If the Railo Company would do some marketing, I bet they would take even more market share from Adobe. 2014-03-18 19:16 GMT+01:00 : I completely agree with you, on all points. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358034 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
If the Railo Company would do some marketing If they would above all produce some documentation! I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the documentation was just an arrid desert, so I gave up. Is it any better now ? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358035 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Docs are still not commercial level, but there is more info available about Railo in the Github wiki. The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs (available in the railo admin). But yes, docs have been a big discussion point on the Railo mailinglist but without any good solution yet. 2014-03-18 19:57 GMT+01:00 : If the Railo Company would do some marketing If they would above all produce some documentation! I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the documentation was just an arrid desert, so I gave up. Is it any better now ? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358039 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs I could work using the CF docs, but if there is the slightest difference, plus or minus, I need to be easily aware of it. It is so important in my mind that I finaly prefered to buy the CF 9 server. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358040 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
The docs in the railo admin are updated with the specific railo additions. In the wiki is stated which functions are not supported from CF9/10 or have differences in use/outcome. Also if there is a function missing certain arguments/options in Railo from the CF version, a simple bug report and mailinglist post will get that fixed very quickly. 2014-03-18 20:51 GMT+01:00 : The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs I could work using the CF docs, but if there is the slightest difference, plus or minus, I need to be easily aware of it. It is so important in my mind that I finaly prefered to buy the CF 9 server. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Better than nothing, but still not very developer friendly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358043 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I don't know - I mean - imagine if CF ignored extra tags, and you had cfmail supersecure=true ... Then you quit to become a Ruby developer. The next dev comes along who isn't quite so familiar with CF and assumes that argument is doing something even though it isn't. Or heck, take Raymond Camden, a guy who has used CF for 10+ years and still makes typos from time to time. I'd *much* rather have CF complain than silently ignore a bad argument. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM, wrote: Better than nothing, but still not very developer friendly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358045 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I'd *much* rather have CF complain than silently ignore a bad argument. I must admit I agree with you ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Www.railodocs.org Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 18 Mar 2014 18:57, wrote: If the Railo Company would do some marketing If they would above all produce some documentation! I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the documentation was just an arrid desert, so I gave up. Is it any better now ? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358048 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Www.railodocs.org Much better than the last time I tried indeed. Thanks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358050 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
