Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-02 Thread Sean Corfield
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: we had a demo of FW/1 at our CFUG last week and even though yes it is stripped down regarding the framework itself, you still had the folder structure as in root - views - controller and so on, and just to get a

[cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Steve Onnis
Is there a framework that does not use MVC? I am open to the thought of utilising a framework though i hate the idea of the MVC model. Personally i just think there are too many files to work with. I don't want this to turn into a frameworks fight, just asking the question on what's available.

Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Mark Mandel
I'm not 100% sure how a web app could be anything other than some form of MVC, even one without a framework. When you say 'MVC', what do you mean? Trying to work out what you want to avoid. Mark On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Is there a framework

RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Steve Onnis
[mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2010 12:12 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC I'm not 100% sure how a web app could be anything other than some form of MVC, even one without a framework. When you say 'MVC', what do you mean? Trying to work

Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Peter Robertson
Actually, Fusebox can be used non-mvc and my old, earlier Fusebox versions code is all non-mvc. (I understand Mark's point, ie, request/response basically means that there is an implied controller, model and view, even if this isn't formalised.) Given that the latest Fusebox can be used without

RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Steve Onnis
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Actually, Fusebox can be used non-mvc and my old, earlier Fusebox versions code is all non-mvc. (I understand Mark's point, ie, request/response basically means that there is an implied controller, model and view, even if this isn't formalised

Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Mark Mandel
: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Actually, Fusebox can be used non-mvc and my old, earlier Fusebox versions code is all non-mvc. (I understand Mark's point, ie, request/response basically means that there is an implied controller, model and view, even if this isn't formalised.) Given

RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread charlie arehart
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:39 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Conceptually i agree though i just dont want to use the folder structure that all of the MVC frameworks tend to use. I like the idea

Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Peter Bell
On Jun 1, 2010, at Tue Jun 1, 10:58 PM, Andrew Myers wrote: It is extremely nice. Someone now just needs to write some rails style command line scripts for it. I'd do it myself but I have no idea how to. :-)) Well, when Railo 4 comes out with command line integration it should be

Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Andrew Myers
Tell me more? Is this like an REPL for cfscript? On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:08:37 +1000, Peter Bell pb...@systemsforge.com wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at Tue Jun 1, 10:58 PM, Andrew Myers wrote: It is extremely nice. Someone now just needs to write some rails style command line scripts for it.

RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Steve Onnis
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:39 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Conceptually i agree though i just dont want to use the folder structure that all of the MVC frameworks tend to use. I like the idea

Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Blair McKenzie
to call them -- *From:* charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 June 2010 12:56 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Are you aware of FW/1? http://fw1.riaforge.org/ It is still MVC

Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC

2010-06-01 Thread Andrew Scott
Steve, You will find that the folders (Conventions) are a pain when you first try to get into MVC, but the best thing that an MVC framework offers is separation of the logic, views etc. It means you can switch the entire business logic out and provide a more robust API in Java, and have to do