[cfaussie] [Ann] NSW CFUG Meeting 11th Sept.
LiveCycle: what is it and how can we work with it. Mark Szulc of Adobe will give us an overview of LiveCycle an give us some insight as to how to work with it. 6:30 for 7pm start. NSW Sports Club (www.flashdev.org.au/venue) This meeting will be a joint meeting with the Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group. Follow the Flash Developers signs. There'll an open bar. Please rsvp on www.flashdev.org.au/rsvp. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Why buy into CF?
please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
You know, something I was just thinking of now - Thinking 'corporate' style - the fact that CF is NOT open source means that if anything goes wrong with CF itself, you have somewhere to go where you are guarenteed service. Not the case with RoR. Or true of any OS software. Just a thought - but you bring up some valid points there Barry. Mark On 8/30/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Why buy into CF?
Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Besides the support issues, there is also a level of polish in CF that other languages don't have. Some points are:CF components are an access=remote away from being web servicesquery-of-queries custom tags - they may seem like a trivial feature but can make code incredibly intuitiveBlairOn 8/30/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language.In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits.Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enablequick deployment of apps.That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay.I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment.Regards,Bjorn SchultheissSenior Flash DeveloperQDC Technologies-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On BehalfOf Barry BeattieSent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF?please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out ofammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF?because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true againstJava/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastestpocket-rocket.because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way ofsupporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU GeneralPublic Licensehttp://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...)it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument realfast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne.CFREPORT?... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest.FlashForms?... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems werestandard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 andit's not enough reason to upgrade.it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against theevangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because theirplatform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensourceSo, keeping in mind CF8 in development.. what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch- or - upgrading from CF6.1?this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future.(maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade thedwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camphere ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
There are lots of reasons. It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report writing, Flash / Flex hooks It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be supported long term. Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work for you. Were is the support / training for these products. Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex 2. Microsoft - .NET 3. Sun - Java Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Decrypt all cfm pages for a site
Hi All, I'm a newbie to cold fusion and was looking for a way to decryt all pages for our website in one hit. We have a decrypt exe, but that only allows me to do one page at a time. I am trying to track down a problem and need to search all the cfm pages for keywords. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Decrypt all cfm pages for a site
Try: CFMEncryptionDecryption Pro From: http://www.novabean.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Name the company behind PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:01 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No php? Hmm ... - Original Message - From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? There are lots of reasons. It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report writing, Flash / Flex hooks It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be supported long term. Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work for you. Were is the support / training for these products. Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex 2. Microsoft - .NET 3. Sun - Java Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
that's my point RonR is following on from the lessons learned from PHP DHH is the new Rasmus Lerdorf my guess is that RonR is (deliberatly or not) stealing ground from PHP, because of cost and opensource. it's just that it seems it's doing the same to CF. On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Name the company behind PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:01 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No php? Hmm ... - Original Message - From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? There are lots of reasons. It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report writing, Flash / Flex hooks It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be supported long term. Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work for you. Were is the support / training for these products. Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex 2. Microsoft - .NET 3. Sun - Java Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...)
[cfaussie] Re: Decrypt all cfm pages for a site
* Tuna Ranch Over Kill Powers, ACTIVATE!* 1. Download and install cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ 2. Open a cygwin window, navigate to folder with encrypteded source 3. Do something like: 1. find . -name *.cfm | xargs decrypt.exe 4. Sit back and enjoy. Oh, and now that you have you have cygwin, you can use grep. From the command line. w00t! Dale Fraser wrote: Write a program to loop over your files using cfdirectory And then decrypt them with cfexecute Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tpino Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:27 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Decrypt all cfm pages for a site Hi All, I'm a newbie to cold fusion and was looking for a way to decryt all pages for our website in one hit. We have a decrypt exe, but that only allows me to do one page at a time. I am trying to track down a problem and need to search all the cfm pages for keywords. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry -- Haikal Saadh Applications Programmer ICT Resources, TALSS QUT Kelvin Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
No sorry, my point was Java is a little different to .Net and CF as is php. Java code is open you can do what ever you like with it even rewrite the core code in each release if you wish. CF and .Net are not open at all so it's strange that you included Java in with CF and .Net. my .02 Name the company behind PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:01 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No php? Hmm ... - Original Message - From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? There are lots of reasons. It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report writing, Flash / Flex hooks It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be supported long term. Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work for you. Were is the support / training for these products. Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex 2. Microsoft - .NET 3. Sun - Java Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group,
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
I see, But I picked them for my comment I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player Thus, I don't know who provides PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 13:01 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No sorry, my point was Java is a little different to .Net and CF as is php. Java code is open you can do what ever you like with it even rewrite the core code in each release if you wish. CF and .Net are not open at all so it's strange that you included Java in with CF and .Net. my .02 Name the company behind PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:01 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No php? Hmm ... - Original Message - From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? There are lots of reasons. It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report writing, Flash / Flex hooks It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be supported long term. Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work for you. Were is the support / training for these products. Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex 2. Microsoft - .NET 3. Sun - Java Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
RoR is super simple if you are following DHH's blog in 15 minutes presentation. After that it does get considerably harder and you are, god forbid, expected to learn something of the ruby language and the mechanics of the rails framework. I spent about 100 hours building an app in it earlier this year and found that the 80/20 rule (80% of the funcitonality in 20% of the time, remaining 20% of the funcitonality takes 80% of the time) blew out to something like 90/10. I had 90 of the app together in about 10 hours using the scaffolding stuff, but when I needed to do harder stuff I had a very steep learning curve. So getting started in rails is very easy, trying to do stuff that doesn't come out of the box is somewhat harder. Having said that, ruby is a pretty mature powerful language and there is not much you can't do if you spend the time learning how. There are plenty of big apps/sites out there running RoR prove its more than a neat toy. The biggest and most valid complaint I have heard against RoR and Ruby generally is the breadth and maturity of the libraries for fundamental things like HTTP and XML parsing. What is often taken for granted in the CF community is that when you are doing a XMLSearch or XMLParse you are using some of the most mature, stable and power libraries out there (mostly from the Apache Foundation). Ruby just isn't up to this level yet. On 8/30/06, Joel Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please correct me if I am wrong, but.. I played around with RonR a few weekends ago and while it was quick to get a blog going, it seemed like it would be difficult to build a more complex application. Basically as far as I could see, RonR is good for getting raw data (yes, I know you can join tables, whoopdidoo) and plonking it into a web layout. Anything more complex would require a deepened understanding of the language and many hours of stuffing around, kind of like CF, but CF has an advantage. CF is simple, easy to learn and understand plus it doesn't try to obfuscate things into models and so forth (though there are many models out there to do this).. And how many really good developers can you get for Ruby at the moment? Heres an idea which could revolutionise the industry, build a CF-on-rails. Joel -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Dale, I'm sure there's a lot of PHP developers that don't know either, nor care. the same for their bosses and their clients. so which Ghostbusters are you going to call if something goes wrong? mothership Adobe that has it's own adgenda? (Let's see how many old CF bugs get sorted with CF8, eh?... QueryOfQueryahem!) - or - a (large) bunch of psycho Rails _* who have posters of DHH to keep them inspired? documentation is a valid point, so is experiance of developers. But who owns it - does it really matter anymore? b * couldn't think of anything here without it possibly comming out as an insult... On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see, But I picked them for my comment I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player Thus, I don't know who provides PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 13:01 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No sorry, my point was Java is a little different to .Net and CF as is php. Java code is open you can do what ever you like with it even rewrite the core code in each release if you wish. CF and .Net are not open at all so it's strange that you included Java in with CF and .Net. my .02 Name the company behind PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:01 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No php? Hmm ... - Original Message - From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? There are lots of reasons. It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report writing, Flash / Flex hooks It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be supported long term. Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work for you. Were is the support / training for these products. Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex 2. Microsoft - .NET 3. Sun - Java Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest.
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
You get 2 of those 3 in RoR On 8/30/06, Blair McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides the support issues, there is also a level of polish in CF that other languages don't have. Some points are: CF components are an access=remote away from being web services query-of-queries custom tags - they may seem like a trivial feature but can make code incredibly intuitive Blair On 8/30/06, Bjorn Schultheiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most cost-effective way of supporting AMF3 for Flex2? - NOPE!: How much does WebORB for Rails cost?.. WebORB for Rails is an open source project. It is available free of charge under the GNU General Public License http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/rubyonrails/faq.htm#howmuch (FYI: WebOrb is a company picking up where PHPAMF left off...) it has features like CFDOCUMENT? Verity? - NOPE!: some ppl (G'day Gareth!) found limitations with CFDocument real fast and switched to using the latest iText libraries natively. Ditto with Verity, replaced with Lucerne. CFREPORT? ... dunno, could never fly that as a solution. too limiting, no interest. FlashForms? ... no call for them really, especially now that Flex2 is out Gateways? ... could never float this as something meaningful. Either the systems were standard, not enterprise - or - the enterprise boxes were stuck on CF6.1 and it's not enough reason to upgrade. it's got a large, active, supportive community? ... I'd say yes compared to Java and .NET... but not against the evangellical RonR world, who seems to gain the strength of 10 because their platform is opensource. ... and everything they touch seems to turn to opensource So, keeping in mind CF8 in development... ... what could possibly entice ppl to buy into CF, either from scratch - or - upgrading from CF6.1? this is a serious ask of, not why CF people are where they are now, but how they can justify traveling down the CF road in the future. (maybe I'm gowing weary of the luddites here that won't upgrade the dwindling number of servers to CF7, the undermining pro-RubyOnRails camp here ... and that opensource WebOrb AMF3 news.. that's the last [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ straw...) -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Doods, I brought this up a few lists ago. I'm currently battling to keep CF as well. But its a battle that is going to end with MS being the winner. Firstly; RoR there is one for ColdFusion called CFWheels do a google search. However it only works with Apache and for the most part I couldn't even get running. Secondly; THE only way ColdFusion is going to get more market share (because right now its what it needs) are; 1. Come out with some Kick A** features that will blow MS out of the water 2. Open source the ColdFusion Server thing and sell the tools such as flex builder, DW Sad to say we are moving to .NET because of licences. Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
When presenting different technologies to the Board here, the first question the chairman asked. Q: Who makes ColdFusion A: Adobe Now if I had been pitching PHP. Q: Who makes PHP A: Ahh, Not sure a bunch of guys, but you shouldn't care! Yeah, right I'm not sure what type of business you work for who don't care about these things, but we are a publicly listed company and our management care. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 13:46 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? Dale, I'm sure there's a lot of PHP developers that don't know either, nor care. the same for their bosses and their clients. so which Ghostbusters are you going to call if something goes wrong? mothership Adobe that has it's own adgenda? (Let's see how many old CF bugs get sorted with CF8, eh?... QueryOfQueryahem!) - or - a (large) bunch of psycho Rails _* who have posters of DHH to keep them inspired? documentation is a valid point, so is experiance of developers. But who owns it - does it really matter anymore? b * couldn't think of anything here without it possibly comming out as an insult... On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see, But I picked them for my comment I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player Thus, I don't know who provides PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 13:01 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No sorry, my point was Java is a little different to .Net and CF as is php. Java code is open you can do what ever you like with it even rewrite the core code in each release if you wish. CF and .Net are not open at all so it's strange that you included Java in with CF and .Net. my .02 Name the company behind PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:01 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? No php? Hmm ... - Original Message - From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? There are lots of reasons. It doesn't just give you web stuff it gives you a lot more, like PDF, report writing, Flash / Flex hooks It leverages the power of Java without the complexity. Compared to pulling in lots of different OS / Free solutions to achieve the same result, you are better off with CF. Are these OS options going to be supported long term. Can you find developers who now all these little technologies and can work for you. Were is the support / training for these products. Most likely some of these OS options will grow up and be contenders, but personally I wouldn't be jumping on any platform that wasn't provided by a main stream player. Which in my opinion leaves only three options. 1. Adobe - Coldfusion / Flex 2. Microsoft - .NET 3. Sun - Java Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Schultheiss Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:36 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? Personally I havent got down with the RoR yet, so I'm not familiar with the ruby language. In terms of a Flex/CF setup there are a lot of benefits. Basically you got the weight of Adobe pushing this combination to enable quick deployment of apps. That includes documentation, examples, engineer feedback, new updates. That being said you must pay. I think I'll have to build a Flex/RoR app first before making an assessment. Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Why buy into CF? please forgive me if this comes across as trolling but I'm running out of ammo here in trying to keep the CF flag flying here's the question: Why Buy into CF? because of rapid development? - NOPE!: not compared against RubyOnRails, it seems. It's true against Java/JSP development or ASP.NET/C# but CF seems to be no longer the fastest pocket-rocket. because of built-in flash remoting, making it the most
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Hmmm, Without going further into the argument, or what RoR is. But to me RoR looks and smells like MG:U Or am I missing something? Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
The issue isn't if BlueDragon is cheaper or not. The fact of the matter is the Server licences cost to much. We have are LARGE application that is writtin in CF but will be pushed to .NET because its cheaper to buy studio and distribute our application then it is to buy CF server/s licence and then our cost of the application on top of that. Sorry Adobe/MM/Allaire have it ass backwards. J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Decrypt all cfm pages for a site
Hmm, I downloaded a version of grep from somewhere that runs fine on windows... Scott Thornton, Programmer Application Development Information Services and Telecommunications Hunter-New England Area Health Service p: +61 02 49213589 m: 0413800242 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/08/2006 12:40:49 pm * Tuna Ranch Over Kill Powers, ACTIVATE!* 1. Download and install cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ 2. Open a cygwin window, navigate to folder with encrypteded source 3. Do something like: 1. find . -name *.cfm | xargs decrypt.exe 4. Sit back and enjoy. Oh, and now that you have you have cygwin, you can use grep. From the command line. w00t! Dale Fraser wrote: Write a program to loop over your files using cfdirectory And then decrypt them with cfexecute Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tpino Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:27 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Decrypt all cfm pages for a site Hi All, I'm a newbie to cold fusion and was looking for a way to decryt all pages for our website in one hit. We have a decrypt exe, but that only allows me to do one page at a time. I am trying to track down a problem and need to search all the cfm pages for keywords. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Cheers, Terry -- Haikal Saadh Applications Programmer ICT Resources, TALSS QUT Kelvin Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Free books to a new home
Macromedia Dreamweaver 8 - Training from the source Programming Visual Basic 2005 Free if you provide packaging and postal charges (Australia only). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
When you look at it like that, how much is .NET Studio? About the same cost as a CFServer License? PRO version anyway. Yet you can, as I would imagine many people on this list are doing, either still developing their CF apps on software thats 3 yrs old or is free like eclipse. Correct me if I am wrong, but it would be very difficult to develop a .NET application using something as simple as notepad. When you start to compare costs like that, not only in development, but in tools and having to constantly upgrade tools to take advantage of new features in your application servers, then you start to see the real cost of development. This is even more so when you have teams of coders doing stuff, having to fork out that sort of money to set up each work station with the required development environments with software, then start to look how much it blows the cost of development out of the water. Thats it from me for now:) Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of cfgroupie Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 2:09 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? The issue isn't if BlueDragon is cheaper or not. The fact of the matter is the Server licences cost to much. We have are LARGE application that is writtin in CF but will be pushed to .NET because its cheaper to buy studio and distribute our application then it is to buy CF server/s licence and then our cost of the application on top of that. Sorry Adobe/MM/Allaire have it ass backwards. J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] [OT] grep (Was: Decrypt all cfm pages for a site)
WinGrep I used to use it when I used windows. Has right-click shell integration... quite nice. These days I just use QuickSilver to pop open a terminal window, as use grep the old school way. (That is, if I'm not using eclipse atm). Scott Thornton wrote: Hmm, I downloaded a version of grep from somewhere that runs fine on windows... Scott Thornton, Programmer Application Development Information Services and Telecommunications Hunter-New England Area Health Service p: +61 02 49213589 m: 0413800242 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/08/2006 12:40:49 pm * Tuna Ranch Over Kill Powers, ACTIVATE!* 1. Download and install cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ 2. Open a cygwin window, navigate to folder with encrypteded source 3. Do something like: 1. find . -name *.cfm | xargs decrypt.exe 4. Sit back and enjoy. Oh, and now that you have you have cygwin, you can use grep. From the command line. w00t! -- Haikal Saadh Applications Programmer ICT Resources, TALSS QUT Kelvin Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: [OT] grep (Was: Decrypt all cfm pages for a site)
I'm using UnxUtils [http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/] Quite handy for old skool Unix freaks who are forced to use Windows Or you could just switch to a Mac :p /me hugs MacBook On 8/30/06, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WinGrep I used to use it when I used windows. Has right-click shell integration... quite nice. These days I just use QuickSilver to pop open a terminal window, as use grep the old school way. (That is, if I'm not using eclipse atm). Scott Thornton wrote: Hmm, I downloaded a version of grep from somewhere that runs fine on windows... -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Cool flash countdown clock
If you're gonna vote, here's a few more to add to the ballot http://ed.mullen.home.comcast.net/fclock.html Tom On 8/29/06, Brett Payne-Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should vote!I give two votes to the mbcomms 'clock' for originality (I like the writing and rubbing out idea!) and because it is *still* going. And I give one vote to the the cannon clock because I like the way it starts up.Let the voting begin! (or is this just pushing an OT thread for which I will get banned?)BrettB)christophe albrech wrote: Am I the only one to find it cool, yet ugly? On 8/29/06, *Bjorn Schultheiss* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pretty cool, i like the throwing action Regards, Bjorn Schultheiss Senior Flash Developer QDC Technologies *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Shane Farmer *Sent:* Monday, 28 August 2006 11:49 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: Cool flash countdown clock Hi Dale, Works fine for me in IE7. 64bit IE doesn't like the plugin much (but that can be a good thing) but 32bit IE works fine. You might want to check you security settings. Shane On 8/28/06, *Dale Fraser* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't work in ie7. Tells me I don't have the latest version of Flash. But I do. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://dale.fraser.id.au/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kear Sent: Monday, 28 August 2006 13:59 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Cool flash countdown clock Canon have this strange idea that I might buy their new Canon 400D camera when it's released in a few days - FAT CHANCE!- so they sent a promotional email asking me to check out the new camera on line. I checked it out but was taken wtih this cool countdown clock.I've seen a similar idea with a hand writing out numbers before but this is a much better implementation of that basic idea I think . http://www.canon.com.au/eos400d/default.aspx -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com/ ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET http://asp.net/ hosting from AUD$15/month --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Ok, Coldfusion can be used with a development license, devnet license is free as long as it is never used in production. Now, with eclipse and all the plugins for svn, cvs, jira to name a few it is still free to develop any application I want. Now .Net has a steeper programming curve than CF and you do spend more time developing than CF so the cost becomes irrelevant and should be incorporated into the price of the job you do for your client, unless of course you are hosting yourself then you can recoup the cost by x amount of clients or use a shared hosting which .Net will cost the same amount of money to host roughly. And the argument is what again? I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cfgroupie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:46 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? I see your point steve, but I think your wrong. Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using notepad. Why...cause your a freak and you like your nipples twisted. Secondly; The Cost is once off for the company and in turn can develop many apps to pay it off where they can have that cost built into the product they are building. Sorry, the only real excuse is if the developer doesn't understand the requirements of their application they are building and blows the time out of the water. Jeremy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. but that's just how the apps get written/what to produce. in other words, CF is *not* the final word in RAD. and it doesn't deal with how much it costs to get it out there, which are the valid points that Jeremy and Steve are discussing. and that's the heart of the argument. it now costs about the same (roughly) to run RonR as it does PHP. for a while CF Vs PHP debates have focused on features and RAD. Now RonR is come to prominence, the arguments aren't as clear as that. Mark, while I acknowledge your points on 80/20 (or 90/10) you get that with any platform until you get to know it. How many times have you replaced someone elses hundreds of lines of code with only a couple of your own, just because you know the tricks? And the argument is what again? and the reason for choosing CF is what, again? On 8/30/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Coldfusion can be used with a development license, devnet license is free as long as it is never used in production. Now, with eclipse and all the plugins for svn, cvs, jira to name a few it is still free to develop any application I want. Now .Net has a steeper programming curve than CF and you do spend more time developing than CF so the cost becomes irrelevant and should be incorporated into the price of the job you do for your client, unless of course you are hosting yourself then you can recoup the cost by x amount of clients or use a shared hosting which .Net will cost the same amount of money to host roughly. And the argument is what again? I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cfgroupie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:46 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? I see your point steve, but I think your wrong. Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using notepad. Why...cause your a freak and you like your nipples twisted. Secondly; The Cost is once off for the company and in turn can develop many apps to pay it off where they can have that cost built into the product they are building. Sorry, the only real excuse is if the developer doesn't understand the requirements of their application they are building and blows the time out of the water. Jeremy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
Hi Andrew I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. Here is the rails API documentation: http://api.rubyonrails.com/ If you take the ColdSpring, MG, Reactor and CFAjax + big chunks of the CF language (where CF is abstracting away tricky stuff like queries, mail, includes, custom tags, etc..) you'll end up with something like Rails. The Ruby language is a lower level scripting language like ECMAscript, Python or Perl, that provides the basic syntax - its not specifically web related. All the web app related stuff is in Rails. Saying RoR = MG is really only looking at one very small part of RoR. On 8/30/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, Coldfusion can be used with a development license, devnet license is free as long as it is never used in production. Now, with eclipse and all the plugins for svn, cvs, jira to name a few it is still free to develop any application I want. Now .Net has a steeper programming curve than CF and you do spend more time developing than CF so the cost becomes irrelevant and should be incorporated into the price of the job you do for your client, unless of course you are hosting yourself then you can recoup the cost by x amount of clients or use a shared hosting which .Net will cost the same amount of money to host roughly. And the argument is what again? I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cfgroupie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 2:46 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? I see your point steve, but I think your wrong. Firstly; .NET you can develop an app using notepad. Why...cause your a freak and you like your nipples twisted. Secondly; The Cost is once off for the company and in turn can develop many apps to pay it off where they can have that cost built into the product they are building. Sorry, the only real excuse is if the developer doesn't understand the requirements of their application they are building and blows the time out of the water. Jeremy. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
And spend a fortune developing the libraries or 3rd party libraries Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cfgroupie Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 3:23 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? Thats my point, You develop in ColdFusion for free but when it comes time to sell your application it costs money to do that. Where as MS does it the other way around. Most big applications that we build are internal so hosting isn't an issue, but the server licence is. Don't get me wrong I would LOVE to continue programming in CF. But its all drivin by costing. Oh and you can have a free version of .NET its scaled down but it does work. Jeremy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
