Re: [cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne November and December

[Kai Koenig]

And I'll try not to be too hard on him :-)

Kai

> Even if you are doing a workshop, good to come down and have a drink and chat 
> about everything :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Peter Robertson  
> wrote:
> Hi  Matthew
> 
> Yes, I myself will be doing Kai's Flex workshop and expect to be brain dead, 
> but it would still be great to get a well-known name to talk to us if Code 
> Wars doesn't go ahead and not everyone will be doing the workshops.  
> 
> Just as long as nobody expects too much from me on the night :)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Matthew  wrote:
> Hi Peter
> 
> Bear in mind that people will be going to Day 0 pre-conference
> workshops (CF911 for me). I'm not sure how many would be up for a day
> of learning and then a CFUG evening. However it does seem a waste not
> to run a CFUG night with an out of town presenter. Just food for
> thought.
> 
> Cheers
> Matthew
> 
> On Oct 13, 12:44 pm, Peter Robertson  wrote:
> > November:
> >
> > As you will all be aware, next month is CFObjective.
> > (cfobjective.com.au)
> >
> > Hopefully most of the Melbourne CFUG folk will be attending, and in
> > any case the normal CFUG evening would fall on Day 1 of the event, so
> > we will be moving the CFUG to Wed 17 November, to coincide with
> > CFObjective Day 0.  Phil Haeusler and Rocket Boots are setting up a
> > CodeWars event for the Wednesday.  If this goes ahead, as seems
> > likely, then we're suggesting that we roll CFUG into that event.
> >
> > For those unfamiliar with Code Wars, go to the Rocket Boots blog and
> > drill on the Code War link at the 
> > top.http://www.rocketboots.com.au/blog/index.cfm
> >
> > If, for any reason Code Wars or a similar Day 0 event isn't held, then
> > we'll hold the CFUG as normal, but on the Wed evening, and will try to
> > get one or two of the out-of-town folk to do a presentation.
> >
> > December:
> >
> > As people are busy and starting to leave town by about mid December,
> > we'll be organising a dinner for those of us left.  Given the
> > distractions around CFObjective in November, we'll also be drawing the
> > software prize at the dinner in December.  Your name will be entered
> > in the draw once for each attendance at the CFUG from July, so the
> > more times you attended, the better your chances.  We won't be
> > counting attendance at CodeWars, (too hard), nor attendance at the
> > dinner.  If you are not at the dinner and your name is drawn, you will
> > still be eligible, and we will contact you with the details of your
> > prize.
> >
> > By all means send us any feedback on this year's CFUG Melbourne.  Let
> > us know what you liked, what you didn't and what you'd like to see
> > next year.
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Peter Robertson
> > Co-Manager
> > Melbourne CFUG
> >
> > Steve Onnis
> > Manager
> > Melbourne CFUG
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne November and December

[Mark Mandel]

Even if you are doing a workshop, good to come down and have a drink and
chat about everything :)

Mark

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Peter Robertson wrote:

> Hi  Matthew
>
> Yes, I myself will be doing Kai's Flex workshop and expect to be brain
> dead, but it would still be great to get a well-known name to talk to us if
> Code Wars doesn't go ahead and not everyone will be doing the workshops.
>
> Just as long as nobody expects too much from me on the night :)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Matthew wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter
>>
>> Bear in mind that people will be going to Day 0 pre-conference
>> workshops (CF911 for me). I'm not sure how many would be up for a day
>> of learning and then a CFUG evening. However it does seem a waste not
>> to run a CFUG night with an out of town presenter. Just food for
>> thought.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Matthew
>>
>> On Oct 13, 12:44 pm, Peter Robertson  wrote:
>> > November:
>> >
>> > As you will all be aware, next month is CFObjective.
>> > (cfobjective.com.au)
>> >
>> > Hopefully most of the Melbourne CFUG folk will be attending, and in
>> > any case the normal CFUG evening would fall on Day 1 of the event, so
>> > we will be moving the CFUG to Wed 17 November, to coincide with
>> > CFObjective Day 0.  Phil Haeusler and Rocket Boots are setting up a
>> > CodeWars event for the Wednesday.  If this goes ahead, as seems
>> > likely, then we're suggesting that we roll CFUG into that event.
>> >
>> > For those unfamiliar with Code Wars, go to the Rocket Boots blog and
>> > drill on the Code War link at the top.
>> http://www.rocketboots.com.au/blog/index.cfm
>> >
>> > If, for any reason Code Wars or a similar Day 0 event isn't held, then
>> > we'll hold the CFUG as normal, but on the Wed evening, and will try to
>> > get one or two of the out-of-town folk to do a presentation.
>> >
>> > December:
>> >
>> > As people are busy and starting to leave town by about mid December,
>> > we'll be organising a dinner for those of us left.  Given the
>> > distractions around CFObjective in November, we'll also be drawing the
>> > software prize at the dinner in December.  Your name will be entered
>> > in the draw once for each attendance at the CFUG from July, so the
>> > more times you attended, the better your chances.  We won't be
>> > counting attendance at CodeWars, (too hard), nor attendance at the
>> > dinner.  If you are not at the dinner and your name is drawn, you will
>> > still be eligible, and we will contact you with the details of your
>> > prize.
>> >
>> > By all means send us any feedback on this year's CFUG Melbourne.  Let
>> > us know what you liked, what you didn't and what you'd like to see
>> > next year.
>> >
>> > Many thanks
>> >
>> > Peter Robertson
>> > Co-Manager
>> > Melbourne CFUG
>> >
>> > Steve Onnis
>> > Manager
>> > Melbourne CFUG
>>
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RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

[Andrew Scott]

Each to their own Steve, but yeah you are right with the onClick being
onclick.

 

Regards,

Andrew Scott

http://www.andyscott.id.au/

 

 

 

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Umew

 

Oh and XHTML standards state that all html tag and tag attributes must be in
lowercase so "onClick" is invalid and should be "onlick" :)

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RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

[Steve Onnis]

Umew

 

Oh and XHTML standards state that all html tag and tag attributes must be in
lowercase so "onClick" is invalid and should be "onlick" :)

 

From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 5:13 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

 

You can always do it with any element by

 

Press Me

 

 

Regards,

Andrew Scott

http://www.andyscott.id.au/

 

 

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Thanks.  I've set up classes and I'm doing it that way.

 

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RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

[Andrew Scott]

You can always do it with any element by

 

Press Me

 

 

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Andrew Scott

http://www.andyscott.id.au/

 

 

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Thanks.  I've set up classes and I'm doing it that way.

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[Ricardo Russon]

I'll speak to Carl about including his latest findings in his
presentation next week. He originally was only going to present on GC,
but I'll see if he has the time to add the latest results (removing
the jar files) to his slides.

I don't think this is something that anyone here is planing to do to a
production server any time in the near future. But I haven't found any
real reason not to proceed with researching this.

The startup figures are really looking good from what he has done so
far. Mainly memory size, but a slight improvement in load time.

Thanks for all the feedback. I'll pass it on.

Ricardo.

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Re: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ricardo Russon
 wrote:
> Has anyone done any work on reducing the footprint of CF?

I could be flippant and say: use Railo - it has a much smaller memory
footprint. Sorry, couldn't resist! :)

> Our Admin, Carl, has been doing some work on CF memory management.
> Mainly Garbage Collection.
> (He will be presenting his findings at our next CFUG if anyone is interested)

I'd love to see this preso. JVM tuning is a real black art and there
is always room for good presentations on this area of working with
Java technology. When I was at Macromedia, we were constantly tweaking
the JVM settings to improve the stability of macromedia.com. Every
time we launched a new application, we had to go back through load
testing and re-tuning the site because every change in the application
composition could cause changes in the memory behavior of the site
under load.

> He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
> removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ and seeing how that is
> impacting things on startup. So far things seem to be going well, and
> there have been some significant improvements.

That really surprises me. Which version of Adobe ColdFusion are you
working with? CF9 improved start up times dramatically (by deferring
initialization of some subsystems until post-launch, I think -
certainly the server is able to respond to requests much sooner after
startup).

> The question is: what can we safely remove?

Much is going to depend on what CFML features your application uses.
It sounds a rather dangerous approach to me.
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RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

[Steve Onnis]

Yeah i would use classes also...just used inline to demonstrate what i
meant. It is also better that way as you can just have a background for the
button and use the value to change the label instead of creating a different
button for every label

 

From: KNOTT, Brian [mailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 3:26 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

 

Thanks.  I've set up classes and I'm doing it that way.

 

Brian Knott 

Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 1:47 PM
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Why don't you just do it with a normal submit button and style it to use the
image?

 



 

That way you can still use the image but submit it properly

 

From: KNOTT, Brian [mailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 2:38 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

 

Guys I using images as buttons to submit form.  Bit like the code below

 



 

I would normally then refer to the form field in the next page i.e. 

 

This works fine in firefox but in IE it send through the x and y co-ords of
the image, i.e form.step3Submitx = 56.

 

Is there a way to get IE to pass the form value i.e. form.step3submit should
have a value of continue.  I need to keep the images.

 

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RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

[KNOTT, Brian]

Thanks.  I've set up classes and I'm doing it that way.

Brian Knott
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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve Onnis
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Why don't you just do it with a normal submit button and style it to use the 
image?



That way you can still use the image but submit it properly

From: KNOTT, Brian [mailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au]
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To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

Guys I using images as buttons to submit form.  Bit like the code below



I would normally then refer to the form field in the next page i.e. 

This works fine in firefox but in IE it send through the x and y co-ords of the 
image, i.e form.step3Submitx = 56.

Is there a way to get IE to pass the form value i.e. form.step3submit should 
have a value of continue.  I need to keep the images.

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RE: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

[Steve Onnis]

Why don't you just do it with a normal submit button and style it to use the
image?

 



 

That way you can still use the image but submit it properly

 

From: KNOTT, Brian [mailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 2:38 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: [cfaussie] Submitting a form

 

Guys I using images as buttons to submit form.  Bit like the code below

 



 

I would normally then refer to the form field in the next page i.e. 

 

This works fine in firefox but in IE it send through the x and y co-ords of
the image, i.e form.step3Submitx = 56.

 

Is there a way to get IE to pass the form value i.e. form.step3submit should
have a value of continue.  I need to keep the images.

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne November and December

[Peter Robertson]

Hi  Matthew

Yes, I myself will be doing Kai's Flex workshop and expect to be brain dead,
but it would still be great to get a well-known name to talk to us if Code
Wars doesn't go ahead and not everyone will be doing the workshops.

Just as long as nobody expects too much from me on the night :)

Cheers


Peter

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Matthew  wrote:

> Hi Peter
>
> Bear in mind that people will be going to Day 0 pre-conference
> workshops (CF911 for me). I'm not sure how many would be up for a day
> of learning and then a CFUG evening. However it does seem a waste not
> to run a CFUG night with an out of town presenter. Just food for
> thought.
>
> Cheers
> Matthew
>
> On Oct 13, 12:44 pm, Peter Robertson  wrote:
> > November:
> >
> > As you will all be aware, next month is CFObjective.
> > (cfobjective.com.au)
> >
> > Hopefully most of the Melbourne CFUG folk will be attending, and in
> > any case the normal CFUG evening would fall on Day 1 of the event, so
> > we will be moving the CFUG to Wed 17 November, to coincide with
> > CFObjective Day 0.  Phil Haeusler and Rocket Boots are setting up a
> > CodeWars event for the Wednesday.  If this goes ahead, as seems
> > likely, then we're suggesting that we roll CFUG into that event.
> >
> > For those unfamiliar with Code Wars, go to the Rocket Boots blog and
> > drill on the Code War link at the top.
> http://www.rocketboots.com.au/blog/index.cfm
> >
> > If, for any reason Code Wars or a similar Day 0 event isn't held, then
> > we'll hold the CFUG as normal, but on the Wed evening, and will try to
> > get one or two of the out-of-town folk to do a presentation.
> >
> > December:
> >
> > As people are busy and starting to leave town by about mid December,
> > we'll be organising a dinner for those of us left.  Given the
> > distractions around CFObjective in November, we'll also be drawing the
> > software prize at the dinner in December.  Your name will be entered
> > in the draw once for each attendance at the CFUG from July, so the
> > more times you attended, the better your chances.  We won't be
> > counting attendance at CodeWars, (too hard), nor attendance at the
> > dinner.  If you are not at the dinner and your name is drawn, you will
> > still be eligible, and we will contact you with the details of your
> > prize.
> >
> > By all means send us any feedback on this year's CFUG Melbourne.  Let
> > us know what you liked, what you didn't and what you'd like to see
> > next year.
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > Peter Robertson
> > Co-Manager
> > Melbourne CFUG
> >
> > Steve Onnis
> > Manager
> > Melbourne CFUG
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Re: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[Kai Koenig]

Hi Ricardo,

I absolutely agree that CF's JVM configuration is not perfect for any given use 
case. It is an attempt to deliver something that works for most average CF 
sites and therefore you'd have to do load testing and JVM tuning to cater for 
more specific needs. And I don't think that's a point worth discussing really. 

What I find an "interesting" approach though is that you're trying to remove 
unneeded jar files etc to reduce the (I assume) memory footprint. I'd actually 
love to see the presentation, it's a shame that I'm over in Brisbane next week 
- maybe you can record or stream it via Connect? I think quite a lot of people 
would be interested in his findings. My personal opinion on this (without 
having tried or seen more on it) is that you're creating more issues along that 
path than you solve for the reasons that Charlie and Barry already elaborated 
on. But again - I might be wrong.

Cheers
Kai


> Thanks Charlie and Barry.
> 
> I understand what you are both saying but at this point its just a
> case of the what ifs and why's.
> It just seems that CF does not deploy in an optimal state. Especially
> when it comes to the JVM's config in relation to memory management. So
> perhaps there are other ways to massage performance out of it.
> Creating a kind of CFLight.
> 
> I really don't think I'm in a position to discuss the business case
> for it. But personally I like your idea Barry, of rolling out a
> turn-key solution.
> 
> 
> Ricardo.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Barry Beattie  
> wrote:
>> "He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
>> removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ "
>> 
>> I hope you're all developing against a similarly crippled CF instance,
>> lest you roll out a feature working in your dev/test environment but
>> not on your customers installs.
>> 
>> I thought you guys were having enough battles with supporting
>> different versions, let alone different sub-versions? I'll be curious
>> to hear Carl's presentation, not from a technical P.O.V, but from
>> logistics and business case.
>> 
>> There's a lot to be said for "throwing more iron" at a problem (ie:
>> hardware can be cheap compared to concequences). While this example
>> (below) is not the same thing, it shows how a little bit of hardware
>> failure can snowball into multi-millon dollar losses.
>> 
>> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/still-no-clue-to-virgin-blues-20m-question/story-e6frgakx-1225937335722
>> 
>> Perhaps what is needed is to lease your customers your app(s), the OEM
>> CF licence ... and the hardware needed to run it - a complete turn-key
>> solution?
>> 
>> meh, I'll shut up now.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, charlie arehart
>>  wrote:
>>> I don't know, this seems a curious way to seek to solve the problem.
>>> 
>>> Instead, it would seem more appropriate to focus on lowering the footprint 
>>> created by
>>> your app(s). In most instances, CF seems to start up with at most a
>>> couple-to-a-few-hundred meg. The rest (between that and the approximate max 
>>> on 32 bit
>>> of about 1200mb) is all influenced by your code, your config, the traffic, 
>>> etc. It
>>> seems that addressing that would be more fruitful (and less risky, since 
>>> something may
>>> fail someday and now you won't know if it's because you removed some needed 
>>> jar).
>>> 
>>> And of course, if you are on CF9 (Standard or Enterprise) or CF8 
>>> Enterprise, you can
>>> go to 64 bit and remove that 1200meg max. Or if you're on CF Enterprise 6.1 
>>> or above,
>>> you can go to multiple instances, and may find that putting different 
>>> apps/sites in
>>> different instances allows each to use a reasonable amount per instance 
>>> (not nearing
>>> its limit, even on 32-bit.)
>>> 
>>> I know it's not answering your question. I'm just offering it as a reminder 
>>> of another
>>> way to attack your problem.
>>> 
>>> /charlie
>>> 
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of
 Ricardo Russon
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42 PM
 To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.
 
 Has anyone done any work on reducing the footprint of CF?
 
 Our Admin, Carl, has been doing some work on CF memory management.
 Mainly Garbage Collection.
 (He will be presenting his findings at our next CFUG if anyone is 
 interested)
 
 He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
 removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ and seeing how that is
 impacting things on startup. So far things seem to be going well, and
 there have been some significant improvements.
 
 The question is: what can we safely remove?
 
 We know what we need for our application, but what does CF need to run
 at a minimum without compromising  on stability?
 
 Thanks.
 Ricardo.
 
>

[cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne November and December

[Matthew]

Hi Peter

Bear in mind that people will be going to Day 0 pre-conference
workshops (CF911 for me). I'm not sure how many would be up for a day
of learning and then a CFUG evening. However it does seem a waste not
to run a CFUG night with an out of town presenter. Just food for
thought.

Cheers
Matthew

On Oct 13, 12:44 pm, Peter Robertson  wrote:
> November:
>
> As you will all be aware, next month is CFObjective.
> (cfobjective.com.au)
>
> Hopefully most of the Melbourne CFUG folk will be attending, and in
> any case the normal CFUG evening would fall on Day 1 of the event, so
> we will be moving the CFUG to Wed 17 November, to coincide with
> CFObjective Day 0.  Phil Haeusler and Rocket Boots are setting up a
> CodeWars event for the Wednesday.  If this goes ahead, as seems
> likely, then we're suggesting that we roll CFUG into that event.
>
> For those unfamiliar with Code Wars, go to the Rocket Boots blog and
> drill on the Code War link at the 
> top.http://www.rocketboots.com.au/blog/index.cfm
>
> If, for any reason Code Wars or a similar Day 0 event isn't held, then
> we'll hold the CFUG as normal, but on the Wed evening, and will try to
> get one or two of the out-of-town folk to do a presentation.
>
> December:
>
> As people are busy and starting to leave town by about mid December,
> we'll be organising a dinner for those of us left.  Given the
> distractions around CFObjective in November, we'll also be drawing the
> software prize at the dinner in December.  Your name will be entered
> in the draw once for each attendance at the CFUG from July, so the
> more times you attended, the better your chances.  We won't be
> counting attendance at CodeWars, (too hard), nor attendance at the
> dinner.  If you are not at the dinner and your name is drawn, you will
> still be eligible, and we will contact you with the details of your
> prize.
>
> By all means send us any feedback on this year's CFUG Melbourne.  Let
> us know what you liked, what you didn't and what you'd like to see
> next year.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Peter Robertson
> Co-Manager
> Melbourne CFUG
>
> Steve Onnis
> Manager
> Melbourne CFUG

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Re: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[Ricardo Russon]

Thanks Charlie and Barry.

I understand what you are both saying but at this point its just a
case of the what ifs and why's.
It just seems that CF does not deploy in an optimal state. Especially
when it comes to the JVM's config in relation to memory management. So
perhaps there are other ways to massage performance out of it.
Creating a kind of CFLight.

I really don't think I'm in a position to discuss the business case
for it. But personally I like your idea Barry, of rolling out a
turn-key solution.


Ricardo.



On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Barry Beattie  wrote:
> "He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
> removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ "
>
> I hope you're all developing against a similarly crippled CF instance,
> lest you roll out a feature working in your dev/test environment but
> not on your customers installs.
>
> I thought you guys were having enough battles with supporting
> different versions, let alone different sub-versions? I'll be curious
> to hear Carl's presentation, not from a technical P.O.V, but from
> logistics and business case.
>
> There's a lot to be said for "throwing more iron" at a problem (ie:
> hardware can be cheap compared to concequences). While this example
> (below) is not the same thing, it shows how a little bit of hardware
> failure can snowball into multi-millon dollar losses.
>
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/still-no-clue-to-virgin-blues-20m-question/story-e6frgakx-1225937335722
>
> Perhaps what is needed is to lease your customers your app(s), the OEM
> CF licence ... and the hardware needed to run it - a complete turn-key
> solution?
>
> meh, I'll shut up now.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, charlie arehart
>  wrote:
>> I don't know, this seems a curious way to seek to solve the problem.
>>
>> Instead, it would seem more appropriate to focus on lowering the footprint 
>> created by
>> your app(s). In most instances, CF seems to start up with at most a
>> couple-to-a-few-hundred meg. The rest (between that and the approximate max 
>> on 32 bit
>> of about 1200mb) is all influenced by your code, your config, the traffic, 
>> etc. It
>> seems that addressing that would be more fruitful (and less risky, since 
>> something may
>> fail someday and now you won't know if it's because you removed some needed 
>> jar).
>>
>> And of course, if you are on CF9 (Standard or Enterprise) or CF8 Enterprise, 
>> you can
>> go to 64 bit and remove that 1200meg max. Or if you're on CF Enterprise 6.1 
>> or above,
>> you can go to multiple instances, and may find that putting different 
>> apps/sites in
>> different instances allows each to use a reasonable amount per instance (not 
>> nearing
>> its limit, even on 32-bit.)
>>
>> I know it's not answering your question. I'm just offering it as a reminder 
>> of another
>> way to attack your problem.
>>
>> /charlie
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Ricardo Russon
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42 PM
>>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done any work on reducing the footprint of CF?
>>>
>>> Our Admin, Carl, has been doing some work on CF memory management.
>>> Mainly Garbage Collection.
>>> (He will be presenting his findings at our next CFUG if anyone is 
>>> interested)
>>>
>>> He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
>>> removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ and seeing how that is
>>> impacting things on startup. So far things seem to be going well, and
>>> there have been some significant improvements.
>>>
>>> The question is: what can we safely remove?
>>>
>>> We know what we need for our application, but what does CF need to run
>>> at a minimum without compromising  on stability?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ricardo.
>>>
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Re: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[Barry Beattie]

"He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ "

I hope you're all developing against a similarly crippled CF instance,
lest you roll out a feature working in your dev/test environment but
not on your customers installs.

I thought you guys were having enough battles with supporting
different versions, let alone different sub-versions? I'll be curious
to hear Carl's presentation, not from a technical P.O.V, but from
logistics and business case.

There's a lot to be said for "throwing more iron" at a problem (ie:
hardware can be cheap compared to concequences). While this example
(below) is not the same thing, it shows how a little bit of hardware
failure can snowball into multi-millon dollar losses.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/still-no-clue-to-virgin-blues-20m-question/story-e6frgakx-1225937335722

Perhaps what is needed is to lease your customers your app(s), the OEM
CF licence ... and the hardware needed to run it - a complete turn-key
solution?

meh, I'll shut up now.



On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, charlie arehart
 wrote:
> I don't know, this seems a curious way to seek to solve the problem.
>
> Instead, it would seem more appropriate to focus on lowering the footprint 
> created by
> your app(s). In most instances, CF seems to start up with at most a
> couple-to-a-few-hundred meg. The rest (between that and the approximate max 
> on 32 bit
> of about 1200mb) is all influenced by your code, your config, the traffic, 
> etc. It
> seems that addressing that would be more fruitful (and less risky, since 
> something may
> fail someday and now you won't know if it's because you removed some needed 
> jar).
>
> And of course, if you are on CF9 (Standard or Enterprise) or CF8 Enterprise, 
> you can
> go to 64 bit and remove that 1200meg max. Or if you're on CF Enterprise 6.1 
> or above,
> you can go to multiple instances, and may find that putting different 
> apps/sites in
> different instances allows each to use a reasonable amount per instance (not 
> nearing
> its limit, even on 32-bit.)
>
> I know it's not answering your question. I'm just offering it as a reminder 
> of another
> way to attack your problem.
>
> /charlie
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Ricardo Russon
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42 PM
>> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.
>>
>> Has anyone done any work on reducing the footprint of CF?
>>
>> Our Admin, Carl, has been doing some work on CF memory management.
>> Mainly Garbage Collection.
>> (He will be presenting his findings at our next CFUG if anyone is interested)
>>
>> He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
>> removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ and seeing how that is
>> impacting things on startup. So far things seem to be going well, and
>> there have been some significant improvements.
>>
>> The question is: what can we safely remove?
>>
>> We know what we need for our application, but what does CF need to run
>> at a minimum without compromising  on stability?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ricardo.
>>
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RE: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

[Andrew Scott]

In comparison to jQuery Core there is a lot more in ExtJS Core than jQuery.

 

Regards,

Andrew Scott

http://www.andyscott.id.au/

 

 

 

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Of Damen Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 7:59 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

 

The docs for Ext Core may be better, theres not much in it. 

I was merely suggesting using a library (there's a few out there!) so you
don't reinvent any wheels.

The code you write for  ext core is very similar.

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RE: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[charlie arehart]

I don't know, this seems a curious way to seek to solve the problem. 

Instead, it would seem more appropriate to focus on lowering the footprint 
created by
your app(s). In most instances, CF seems to start up with at most a
couple-to-a-few-hundred meg. The rest (between that and the approximate max on 
32 bit
of about 1200mb) is all influenced by your code, your config, the traffic, etc. 
It
seems that addressing that would be more fruitful (and less risky, since 
something may
fail someday and now you won't know if it's because you removed some needed 
jar). 

And of course, if you are on CF9 (Standard or Enterprise) or CF8 Enterprise, 
you can
go to 64 bit and remove that 1200meg max. Or if you're on CF Enterprise 6.1 or 
above,
you can go to multiple instances, and may find that putting different 
apps/sites in
different instances allows each to use a reasonable amount per instance (not 
nearing
its limit, even on 32-bit.)

I know it's not answering your question. I'm just offering it as a reminder of 
another
way to attack your problem.

/charlie


> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of
> Ricardo Russon
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.
> 
> Has anyone done any work on reducing the footprint of CF?
> 
> Our Admin, Carl, has been doing some work on CF memory management.
> Mainly Garbage Collection.
> (He will be presenting his findings at our next CFUG if anyone is interested)
> 
> He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
> removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ and seeing how that is
> impacting things on startup. So far things seem to be going well, and
> there have been some significant improvements.
> 
> The question is: what can we safely remove?
> 
> We know what we need for our application, but what does CF need to run
> at a minimum without compromising  on stability?
> 
> Thanks.
> Ricardo.
> 
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[cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne November and December

[Peter Robertson]

November:

As you will all be aware, next month is CFObjective.
(cfobjective.com.au)

Hopefully most of the Melbourne CFUG folk will be attending, and in
any case the normal CFUG evening would fall on Day 1 of the event, so
we will be moving the CFUG to Wed 17 November, to coincide with
CFObjective Day 0.  Phil Haeusler and Rocket Boots are setting up a
CodeWars event for the Wednesday.  If this goes ahead, as seems
likely, then we're suggesting that we roll CFUG into that event.

For those unfamiliar with Code Wars, go to the Rocket Boots blog and
drill on the Code War link at the top.
http://www.rocketboots.com.au/blog/index.cfm

If, for any reason Code Wars or a similar Day 0 event isn't held, then
we'll hold the CFUG as normal, but on the Wed evening, and will try to
get one or two of the out-of-town folk to do a presentation.

December:

As people are busy and starting to leave town by about mid December,
we'll be organising a dinner for those of us left.  Given the
distractions around CFObjective in November, we'll also be drawing the
software prize at the dinner in December.  Your name will be entered
in the draw once for each attendance at the CFUG from July, so the
more times you attended, the better your chances.  We won't be
counting attendance at CodeWars, (too hard), nor attendance at the
dinner.  If you are not at the dinner and your name is drawn, you will
still be eligible, and we will contact you with the details of your
prize.

By all means send us any feedback on this year's CFUG Melbourne.  Let
us know what you liked, what you didn't and what you'd like to see
next year.

Many thanks

Peter Robertson
Co-Manager
Melbourne CFUG

Steve Onnis
Manager
Melbourne CFUG

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RE: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[charlie arehart]

Doh, I forgot that I was writing that on the cfaussie list. I would have said 
then,
"she worked in the library of DSS, now Centrelink, in Canberra, where I worked 
back
.". :-)

Ah, Yass, I remember seeing the signs for it, going north out of the ACT. Just 
never
made it up there. Lovely country, I'm sure.  But I realize it's hard to get your
fellow Aussie's to appreciate anything good about Canberra and surrounds. Their 
loss!
:-)

 

/charlie

 

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Rae
Buerckner
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:03 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

 

Ahhh looks like I'll have to go with the CFCalendar custom tag then :)

Nerida and I both live on the same country property out near Yass :)

On 13 October 2010 11:53, charlie arehart  wrote:

Again, only in CF8 or above.

And wow, Nerida, yes, wonderful lady. She worked in the library of the 
government
agency I worked with in Australia back the mid-late 90's, which was the 
capstone to
the 15 years of my first IT career. Yep, I'm that old. :-)

/charlie

 

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[cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne 21 October 2010: A call for presenters.

[Peter Robertson]

CFUG Melbourne is next week, Thursday 21 October, full details will be
posted soon.

For something different, I'm trying to put together an evening with
two or three presenters on the same theme, rather than the normal
single-presenter session.
The theme is CF Server talking to the World, by which I mean ways that
CF Server can be utilised to communicate with, consume and feed non-CF
servers/services/gateways etc.
So far I have one starter on the topic of  passing strongly typed data
through Remoting, and a 'maybe' for  jabber IM gateway, to be
confirmed (or not) tomorrow.

If you're in or around Melbourne Thursday of next week, do you have a
favourite/interesting/useful CF i/o technology you'd like to talk
about and demo?

Please all put the date in your diaries and let me know asap if you're
up for a 30 to 45 minute presentation.
I'll post full details as soon as they're available.

Many thanks



Peter Robertson
Co-Manager
Melbourne CFUG

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Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

[Gavin Beau Baumanis]

Awesome resource - Thanks Chris!


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On 13/10/2010, at 11:58 AM, Chris Velevitch wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 09:04, Gavin Beau Baumanis  
> wrote:
>> Hi Scott,
>> Fishpond.com.au - is an AU online bookstore.
>> They currently have a sale on technical books.
> 
> Even better is the Aussie price comparator http://www.booko.com.au.
> They show all prices and shipping costs in AUD.
> 
> For example:-
> 
> Head First Ajax (http://www.booko.com.au/books/isbn/9780596515782)
> Head Rush Ajax (http://www.booko.com.au/books/isbn/9780596102258)
> 
> 
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Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[Rae Buerckner]

Ahhh looks like I'll have to go with the CFCalendar custom tag then :)

Nerida and I both live on the same country property out near Yass :)

On 13 October 2010 11:53, charlie arehart wrote:

>  Again, only in CF8 or above.
>
> And wow, Nerida, yes, wonderful lady. She worked in the library of the
> government agency I worked with in Australia back the mid-late 90’s, which
> was the capstone to the 15 years of my first IT career. Yep, I’m that old.
> :-)
>
>
>
> /charlie
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Rae Buerckner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:44 PM
>
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error
>
>
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
>
> Thanks :) I had figured that out, comes from having my head in Flex for so
> long and suddenly switching back to straight CF.
>
> Would it work as well for format="html"?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rae
>
> PS. I believe you know a very good friend of mine Nerida Hart?
>
> On 13 October 2010 11:38, charlie arehart 
> wrote:
>
> Rae: here’s the simple answer:
>
> You need to say ‘format=”flash”’ on your CFFORM, not ‘type=”flash”.
>
> Longer explanation:
>
> Well, if that worked in CF8, it was not working as a Flash datefield, but
> rather as an HTML one. By having put in ‘type=”flash”’ on the CFFORM to
> indicate a Flash form, instead of ‘format=”flash”’, CFFORM basically ignored
> it.
>
> In CF8, then, that would have let the CFINPUT type=”datefield” worked
> because that was added newly in CF 8 to be supported for HTML forms (again,
> you were not really doing a Flash form).
>
> In CF7, though, that datefield option is ONLY supported for Flash forms.
> Since you were not really doing one, the error is telling you that Datefield
> is not a valid attribute value for Type.
>
> Actually, you should have gotten a more detailed error that would have
> (perhaps) helped. It should have reported:
>
> Attribute validation error for tag CFINPUT.
>
> The value of the attribute TYPE, which is currently "datefield", must be
> one of the values:
> TEXT,PASSWORD,HIDDEN,FILE,CHECKBOX,RADIO,BUTTON,SUBMIT,RESET,IMAGE.
>
>
> I’m guessing that you are either only seeing the stacktrace (and not the
> error message—though it shows the above even if “robust exception handling”
> is turned off) or perhaps you’re seeing this from a try/catch, and instead
> of seeing cfcatch.detail you’re seeing the output of cfcatch.stacktrace.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> /charlie arehart
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> at http://www.carehart.org/consulting
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Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

[Chris Velevitch]

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 09:04, Gavin Beau Baumanis  wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> Fishpond.com.au - is an AU online bookstore.
> They currently have a sale on technical books.

Even better is the Aussie price comparator http://www.booko.com.au.
They show all prices and shipping costs in AUD.

For example:-

Head First Ajax (http://www.booko.com.au/books/isbn/9780596515782)
Head Rush Ajax (http://www.booko.com.au/books/isbn/9780596102258)


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RE: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[charlie arehart]

Again, only in CF8 or above.

And wow, Nerida, yes, wonderful lady. She worked in the library of the 
government
agency I worked with in Australia back the mid-late 90's, which was the 
capstone to
the 15 years of my first IT career. Yep, I'm that old. :-)

 

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rae
Buerckner
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:44 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

 

Hi Charlie,

Thanks :) I had figured that out, comes from having my head in Flex for so long 
and
suddenly switching back to straight CF.

Would it work as well for format="html"?

Cheers,

Rae

PS. I believe you know a very good friend of mine Nerida Hart?

On 13 October 2010 11:38, charlie arehart  wrote:

Rae: here's the simple answer: 

You need to say 'format="flash"' on your CFFORM, not 'type="flash".

Longer explanation: 

Well, if that worked in CF8, it was not working as a Flash datefield, but 
rather as an
HTML one. By having put in 'type="flash"' on the CFFORM to indicate a Flash 
form,
instead of 'format="flash"', CFFORM basically ignored it. 

In CF8, then, that would have let the CFINPUT type="datefield" worked because 
that was
added newly in CF 8 to be supported for HTML forms (again, you were not really 
doing a
Flash form). 

In CF7, though, that datefield option is ONLY supported for Flash forms. Since 
you
were not really doing one, the error is telling you that Datefield is not a 
valid
attribute value for Type. 

Actually, you should have gotten a more detailed error that would have (perhaps)
helped. It should have reported:

Attribute validation error for tag CFINPUT.

The value of the attribute TYPE, which is currently "datefield", must be one of 
the
values: TEXT,PASSWORD,HIDDEN,FILE,CHECKBOX,RADIO,BUTTON,SUBMIT,RESET,IMAGE.


I'm guessing that you are either only seeing the stacktrace (and not the error
message-though it shows the above even if "robust exception handling" is turned 
off)
or perhaps you're seeing this from a try/catch, and instead of seeing 
cfcatch.detail
you're seeing the output of cfcatch.stacktrace.

Hope that helps.

/charlie arehart
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at http://www.carehart.org/consulting

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[Rae Buerckner]

Hi Charlie,

Thanks :) I had figured that out, comes from having my head in Flex for so
long and suddenly switching back to straight CF.

Would it work as well for format="html"?

Cheers,

Rae

PS. I believe you know a very good friend of mine Nerida Hart?

On 13 October 2010 11:38, charlie arehart wrote:

>  Rae: here’s the simple answer:
>
> You need to say ‘format=”flash”’ on your CFFORM, not ‘type=”flash”.
>
> Longer explanation:
>
> Well, if that worked in CF8, it was not working as a Flash datefield, but
> rather as an HTML one. By having put in ‘type=”flash”’ on the CFFORM to
> indicate a Flash form, instead of ‘format=”flash”’, CFFORM basically ignored
> it.
>
> In CF8, then, that would have let the CFINPUT type=”datefield” worked
> because that was added newly in CF 8 to be supported for HTML forms (again,
> you were not really doing a Flash form).
>
> In CF7, though, that datefield option is ONLY supported for Flash forms.
> Since you were not really doing one, the error is telling you that Datefield
> is not a valid attribute value for Type.
>
> Actually, you should have gotten a more detailed error that would have
> (perhaps) helped. It should have reported:
>
>
> Attribute validation error for tag CFINPUT.
>
> The value of the attribute TYPE, which is currently "datefield", must be
> one of the values:
> TEXT,PASSWORD,HIDDEN,FILE,CHECKBOX,RADIO,BUTTON,SUBMIT,RESET,IMAGE.
>
>
> I’m guessing that you are either only seeing the stacktrace (and not the
> error message—though it shows the above even if “robust exception handling”
> is turned off) or perhaps you’re seeing this from a try/catch, and instead
> of seeing cfcatch.detail you’re seeing the output of cfcatch.stacktrace.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>  /charlie arehart
>
> char...@carehart.org
>
> Providing CF and CFBuilder troubleshooting services
>
> at http://www.carehart.org/consulting
>
>   *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Rae Buerckner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:38 PM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error
>
>
>
> Hi Gavin,
>
>
>
> Sure is :)
>
>
>
> 
> method="post" type="flash" name="myform" id="myform" action=
> "index.cfm?fuseaction=campaignmanagement.newcampaign" enctype=
> "multipart/form-data">
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Rae
>
> >
>
> > coldfusion.tagext.validation.IllegalSwitchValueException: Attribute
> > validation error for tag CFINPUT.
> >
> > at coldfusion.tagext.html.form.InputTag.setType(InputTag.java:141)
>
>
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[cfaussie] Reducing CF's Footprint.

[Ricardo Russon]

Has anyone done any work on reducing the footprint of CF?

Our Admin, Carl, has been doing some work on CF memory management.
Mainly Garbage Collection.
(He will be presenting his findings at our next CFUG if anyone is interested)

He has started playing with reducing CF's base memory usage by
removing unneeded jar files from CF/lib/ and seeing how that is
impacting things on startup. So far things seem to be going well, and
there have been some significant improvements.

The question is: what can we safely remove?

We know what we need for our application, but what does CF need to run
at a minimum without compromising  on stability?

Thanks.
Ricardo.

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RE: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[charlie arehart]

Rae: here's the simple answer: 

You need to say 'format="flash"' on your CFFORM, not 'type="flash".

Longer explanation: 

Well, if that worked in CF8, it was not working as a Flash datefield, but 
rather as an
HTML one. By having put in 'type="flash"' on the CFFORM to indicate a Flash 
form,
instead of 'format="flash"', CFFORM basically ignored it. 

In CF8, then, that would have let the CFINPUT type="datefield" worked because 
that was
added newly in CF 8 to be supported for HTML forms (again, you were not really 
doing a
Flash form). 

In CF7, though, that datefield option is ONLY supported for Flash forms. Since 
you
were not really doing one, the error is telling you that Datefield is not a 
valid
attribute value for Type. 

Actually, you should have gotten a more detailed error that would have (perhaps)
helped. It should have reported:

Attribute validation error for tag CFINPUT.

The value of the attribute TYPE, which is currently "datefield", must be one of 
the
values: TEXT,PASSWORD,HIDDEN,FILE,CHECKBOX,RADIO,BUTTON,SUBMIT,RESET,IMAGE.


I'm guessing that you are either only seeing the stacktrace (and not the error
message-though it shows the above even if "robust exception handling" is turned 
off)
or perhaps you're seeing this from a try/catch, and instead of seeing 
cfcatch.detail
you're seeing the output of cfcatch.stacktrace.

Hope that helps.



/charlie arehart

char...@carehart.org

Providing CF and CFBuilder troubleshooting services 

at http://www.carehart.org/consulting



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Rae
Buerckner
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:38 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

 

Hi Gavin,

 

Sure is :)

 

 

Cheers, 

 

Rae

>
> coldfusion.tagext.validation.IllegalSwitchValueException: Attribute
> validation error for tag CFINPUT.
>
> at coldfusion.tagext.html.form.InputTag.setType(InputTag.java:141)



 

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Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[Rae Buerckner]

Hi Gavin,

Sure is :)



Cheers,

Rae

On 13 October 2010 10:24, Gavin Beau Baumanis  wrote:

> Hi Rae,
>
> Quick question - just shooting from the hip;
> You input is inside a CFFORM and not FORM element?
>
> Otherwise, I have not seen the error before, sorry and up until quite
> recently, we were using CF7 too.
>
>
>
> As always, please contact me if I can be of any futher assistance.
>
> Gavin "Beau" Baumanis
> Senior Application Developer
> PalCare Pty. Ltd.
>
> P: +61 -3 9380 3513
> M: +61 -438 545 586
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> W: http://palcare.com.au
>
>
>
> On 13/10/2010, at 10:22 AM, Rae wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've got a weird error happening on a CF7 server, the code works fine
> > on my local CF8 machine. Any ideas?
> >
> >  > mask="dd/mm/">
> >
> > Here's the error!
> >
> > coldfusion.tagext.validation.IllegalSwitchValueException: Attribute
> > validation error for tag CFINPUT.
> >
> > at coldfusion.tagext.html.form.InputTag.setType(InputTag.java:141)
> >
> > :(
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Re: [cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[Gavin Beau Baumanis]

Hi Rae,

Quick question - just shooting from the hip;
You input is inside a CFFORM and not FORM element?

Otherwise, I have not seen the error before, sorry and up until quite recently, 
we were using CF7 too.



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On 13/10/2010, at 10:22 AM, Rae wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've got a weird error happening on a CF7 server, the code works fine
> on my local CF8 machine. Any ideas?
> 
>  mask="dd/mm/">
> 
> Here's the error!
> 
> coldfusion.tagext.validation.IllegalSwitchValueException: Attribute
> validation error for tag CFINPUT.
> 
> at coldfusion.tagext.html.form.InputTag.setType(InputTag.java:141)
> 
> :(
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[cfaussie] Weird CFINPUT error

[Rae]

Hi,

I've got a weird error happening on a CF7 server, the code works fine
on my local CF8 machine. Any ideas?



Here's the error!

coldfusion.tagext.validation.IllegalSwitchValueException: Attribute
validation error for tag CFINPUT.

at coldfusion.tagext.html.form.InputTag.setType(InputTag.java:141)

:(

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RE: [cfaussie] CF 9 & Microsoft Exchange

[raiola]

Hi Steve,

 

the idea being to allow all email sent and received relating to a loan will
have the loanid as the email address 

 

sending out emails to the brokers or  funders or solicitors etc will have
the [loan...@mortgages.com.au as the email address and also the reply to
address to ensure all reply emails sent back will be sent to that unique
email address so that all email correspondence relating to a specific loan
can be found in specific mail box

 

Regards

Claude Raiola (B.Econ Acc; B.Hot. Mngt)
Samaris Software
Email: i...@samaris.net  
Website: www.SAMARIS.net  
Mobile: 0414 228 948

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 4:44 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CF 9 & Microsoft Exchange

 

Why do you need email accounts? Why wouldn't you just put all the info into
a database?

 

From: rai...@ozemail.com.au [mailto:rai...@ozemail.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 4:24 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CF 9 & Microsoft Exchange

 

Thanks for the reply

 

However I was hoping to have specific email boxes for each loan created so
that then the loan platform could then read all emails from the email box
for the loan details being displayed on the screen.

 

Regards

Claude Raiola (B.Econ Acc; B.Hot. Mngt)
Samaris Software
Email: i...@samaris.net  
Website: www.SAMARIS.net  
Mobile: 0414 228 948

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Simon Haddon
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 2:04 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF 9 & Microsoft Exchange

 

I had a similar problem to this and decided that it made more sense to have
1 email and forward all emails that met a certain criteria to the real email
account.

When an email was sent it was sent using the i...@domain name . email received
as i...@domain would get forwarded/aliased to realem...@domain.

Hope that helps a bit as another option.

Cheers,
Simon

On 12 October 2010 09:39,  wrote:

I am working on a mortgage loan platform where by we are wanting to auto
create an exchange email mailbox each time a loan application is created

 

To illustrate, the mortgage broker logs on to the loan application platform
(which is written in CF) and completes the online application form. Each
loan application completed auto generates its own unique loan id which is
used throughout the loan platform for data related to the loan. 

 

I am looking to have the application dynamically create a email account in
exchange once the application has been completed using the unique loan
application number as the email address eg: 54...@mortgages.com.au

 

The rationale being that once the email account ha been created all
correspondence sent / received relating to the loan will use the unique
email address relating to the loan number

 

I am in the process of upgrading to CF 9 and I am aware there are some new
features in cf9 that allow for live interaction with Exchange.

 

I look forward to any comments / suggestions and thank you in advance

 

 

Regards

Claude Raiola (B.Econ Acc; B.Hot. Mngt)
Samaris Software
Email: i...@samaris.net  
Website: www.SAMARIS.net  
Mobile: 0414 228 948

 

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Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

[Gavin Beau Baumanis]

Hi Scott,

Fishpond.com.au - is an AU online bookstore.
They currently have a sale on technical books.

I love the head First / Head Rush series of books by O'Reilly.

And it just so happens there is an Ajax title : Head First Ajax.

I found it to be excellent - I still use it as a bit of cheat-sheet when I 
don;t need the complexity of a full JS library.
And because it is all about hand-written JavaScript with "whatever" technology 
in the background (in your case CFML) it will work with any version of CF.



As always, please contact me if I can be of any futher assistance.

Gavin "Beau" Baumanis
Senior Application Developer
PalCare Pty. Ltd.

P: +61 -3 9380 3513
M: +61 -438 545 586
E: b...@palcare.com.au
W: http://palcare.com.au



On 13/10/2010, at 8:08 AM, Scott Thornton wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for all replies to date
> 
>  
> 
> Looks like my colleague and I have a lot of catching up to do.
> 
>  
> 
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Damen Hansen
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 7:59 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax
> 
>  
> 
> The docs for Ext Core may be better, theres not much in it. 
> 
> I was merely suggesting using a library (there's a few out there!) so you 
> don't reinvent any wheels.
> 
> The code you write for  ext core is very similar.
> 
>  
> 
> On 12 October 2010 18:54, Andrew Scott  wrote:
> 
> Oh well then maybe you can look at ExtJS Core, it is actually easier to use 
> and understand than jQuery.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andrew Scott
> 
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Paul Kukiel
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 4:34 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax
> 
>  
> 
> It needs to work in cfmx 6.1 so jQuery is looking like the way to go.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 12/10/2010 4:31 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> 
> No you don’t need to always use jQuery, you can even look at using the 
> cfajaxproxy tag to do what you need.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andrew Scott
> 
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Scott Thornton
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 8:50 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax
> 
>  
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  
> 
> I am looking for a solution that will allow Ajax-y style updates of a 
> database when a user changes a value in one of many select boxes in a form.
> 
>  
> 
> EG: Say there are 20 select boxes in a form with Yes or No Options. Changing 
> the value will perform a database update without the usual form submit\page 
> refresh rigmarole.
> 
>  
> 
> I have been looking through the coldfusionjedi website, but no example stands 
> out.
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone point me in the correct direction?
> 
>  
> 
> I am guessing that the solution uses jquery… just have never done much stuff 
> with it before.
> 
>  
> 
> The solution should work in CF MX 6.1
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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RE: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

[Scott Thornton]

Hi,

Thanks for all replies to date

Looks like my colleague and I have a lot of catching up to do.

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Damen Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2010 7:59 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

The docs for Ext Core may be better, theres not much in it.
I was merely suggesting using a library (there's a few out there!) so you don't 
reinvent any wheels.
The code you write for  ext core is very similar.

On 12 October 2010 18:54, Andrew Scott 
mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au>> wrote:
Oh well then maybe you can look at ExtJS Core, it is actually easier to use and 
understand than jQuery.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/



From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Kukiel
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 4:34 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

It needs to work in cfmx 6.1 so jQuery is looking like the way to go.


Regards,

Paul

On 12/10/2010 4:31 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
No you don’t need to always use jQuery, you can even look at using the 
cfajaxproxy tag to do what you need.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/




From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton
Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2010 8:50 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

Hello,

I am looking for a solution that will allow Ajax-y style updates of a database 
when a user changes a value in one of many select boxes in a form.

EG: Say there are 20 select boxes in a form with Yes or No Options. Changing 
the value will perform a database update without the usual form submit\page 
refresh rigmarole.

I have been looking through the coldfusionjedi website, but no example stands 
out.

Can anyone point me in the correct direction?

I am guessing that the solution uses jquery… just have never done much stuff 
with it before.

The solution should work in CF MX 6.1


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Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax

[Damen Hansen]

The docs for Ext Core may be better, theres not much in it.
I was merely suggesting using a library (there's a few out there!) so you
don't reinvent any wheels.
The code you write for  ext core is very similar.


On 12 October 2010 18:54, Andrew Scott  wrote:

> Oh well then maybe you can look at ExtJS Core, it is actually easier to use
> and understand than jQuery.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Scott
>
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Kukiel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 October 2010 4:34 PM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] CF and Ajax
>
>
>
> It needs to work in cfmx 6.1 so jQuery is looking like the way to go.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 12/10/2010 4:31 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
>
> No you don’t need to always use jQuery, you can even look at using the
> cfajaxproxy tag to do what you need.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Scott
>
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Scott Thornton
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 October 2010 8:50 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] CF and Ajax
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am looking for a solution that will allow Ajax-y style updates of a
> database when a user changes a value in one of many select boxes in a form.
>
>
>
> EG: Say there are 20 select boxes in a form with Yes or No Options.
> Changing the value will perform a database update without the usual form
> submit\page refresh rigmarole.
>
>
>
> I have been looking through the coldfusionjedi website, but no example
> stands out.
>
>
>
> Can anyone point me in the correct direction?
>
>
>
> I am guessing that the solution uses jquery… just have never done much
> stuff with it before.
>
>
>
> The solution should work in CF MX 6.1
>
>
>
>
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