RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-28 Thread charlie arehart
Steve, are you asking me? I'd think you'd want to direct your question to
Adobe. And I'm not sure many of them are on this list. 

I was just sharing info to try to help with your original question. (And
yes, I was aware of the EOL issue for ICEBrowser, and that many of the hits
I said one would see address it, so I didn't see the need to press the point
here.)

So as for your original question, did the pointer to the docs and things
that are known not to work perhaps help with the challenge you're having?
Just trying to focus on helping with what we can, here and now.

/charlie

 

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Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:48 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

According to the ice browser website, ice browser and all of the products
went end of life status a year ago and last product release 2 years ago.

 

When is Adobe gonna get off its b-hind and do something about this? There
are soo many open source browser engines out there like webkit for example
that will do a much better job, and being that Adobe OWNS Acrobat, you would
think they would have done it a lng time ago

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RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-28 Thread Steve Onnis
Thats just it. IceBrowser is EOL now so there is nothing to download and
support is only being given to existing customers so it looks like i might
have to use a 3rd party app to do my pdf generation which is dissapointing

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:37 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thanks, good to hear. :-) But how about those resources: might they help you
resolve your problems until somehow Adobe improves things?

 

/charlie

 

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Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:33 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Hahaha, no, i was just venting. It wasn't directed specifically at you J

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 4:22 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Steve, are you asking me? I'd think you'd want to direct your question to
Adobe. And I'm not sure many of them are on this list. 

I was just sharing info to try to help with your original question. (And
yes, I was aware of the EOL issue for ICEBrowser, and that many of the hits
I said one would see address it, so I didn't see the need to press the point
here.)

So as for your original question, did the pointer to the docs and things
that are known not to work perhaps help with the challenge you're having?
Just trying to focus on helping with what we can, here and now.

/charlie

 

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Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:48 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

According to the ice browser website, ice browser and all of the products
went end of life status a year ago and last product release 2 years ago.

 

When is Adobe gonna get off its b-hind and do something about this? There
are soo many open source browser engines out there like webkit for example
that will do a much better job, and being that Adobe OWNS Acrobat, you would
think they would have done it a lng time ago

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RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-28 Thread Dale Fraser
I find that using report builder I get pixel level control over PDF's

 

It's a quirky tool that takes some patience, but far superior to having
cfdocument guess a layout.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au

http://cfmldocs.com

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:44 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thats just it. IceBrowser is EOL now so there is nothing to download and
support is only being given to existing customers so it looks like i might
have to use a 3rd party app to do my pdf generation which is dissapointing

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:37 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thanks, good to hear. :-) But how about those resources: might they help you
resolve your problems until somehow Adobe improves things?

 

/charlie

 

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Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:33 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Hahaha, no, i was just venting. It wasn't directed specifically at you J

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 4:22 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Steve, are you asking me? I'd think you'd want to direct your question to
Adobe. And I'm not sure many of them are on this list. 

I was just sharing info to try to help with your original question. (And
yes, I was aware of the EOL issue for ICEBrowser, and that many of the hits
I said one would see address it, so I didn't see the need to press the point
here.)

So as for your original question, did the pointer to the docs and things
that are known not to work perhaps help with the challenge you're having?
Just trying to focus on helping with what we can, here and now.

/charlie

 

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Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:48 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

According to the ice browser website, ice browser and all of the products
went end of life status a year ago and last product release 2 years ago.

 

When is Adobe gonna get off its b-hind and do something about this? There
are soo many open source browser engines out there like webkit for example
that will do a much better job, and being that Adobe OWNS Acrobat, you would
think they would have done it a lng time ago

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RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-28 Thread Steve Onnis
Will cfreport generate HTML?

 

From: Dale Fraser [mailto:d...@fraser.id.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:42 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

I find that using report builder I get pixel level control over PDF's

 

It's a quirky tool that takes some patience, but far superior to having
cfdocument guess a layout.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au

http://cfmldocs.com

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:44 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thats just it. IceBrowser is EOL now so there is nothing to download and
support is only being given to existing customers so it looks like i might
have to use a 3rd party app to do my pdf generation which is dissapointing

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:37 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thanks, good to hear. :-) But how about those resources: might they help you
resolve your problems until somehow Adobe improves things?

 

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:33 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Hahaha, no, i was just venting. It wasn't directed specifically at you J

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 4:22 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Steve, are you asking me? I'd think you'd want to direct your question to
Adobe. And I'm not sure many of them are on this list. 

I was just sharing info to try to help with your original question. (And
yes, I was aware of the EOL issue for ICEBrowser, and that many of the hits
I said one would see address it, so I didn't see the need to press the point
here.)

So as for your original question, did the pointer to the docs and things
that are known not to work perhaps help with the challenge you're having?
Just trying to focus on helping with what we can, here and now.

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:48 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

According to the ice browser website, ice browser and all of the products
went end of life status a year ago and last product release 2 years ago.

 

When is Adobe gonna get off its b-hind and do something about this? There
are soo many open source browser engines out there like webkit for example
that will do a much better job, and being that Adobe OWNS Acrobat, you would
think they would have done it a lng time ago

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RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-28 Thread Dale Fraser
format = PDF|FlashPaper|Excel|RTF|HTML|XML 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au

http://cfmldocs.com

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:46 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Will cfreport generate HTML?

 

From: Dale Fraser [mailto:d...@fraser.id.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:42 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

I find that using report builder I get pixel level control over PDF's

 

It's a quirky tool that takes some patience, but far superior to having
cfdocument guess a layout.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au

http://cfmldocs.com

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:44 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thats just it. IceBrowser is EOL now so there is nothing to download and
support is only being given to existing customers so it looks like i might
have to use a 3rd party app to do my pdf generation which is dissapointing

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:37 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thanks, good to hear. :-) But how about those resources: might they help you
resolve your problems until somehow Adobe improves things?

 

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:33 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Hahaha, no, i was just venting. It wasn't directed specifically at you J

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 4:22 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Steve, are you asking me? I'd think you'd want to direct your question to
Adobe. And I'm not sure many of them are on this list. 

I was just sharing info to try to help with your original question. (And
yes, I was aware of the EOL issue for ICEBrowser, and that many of the hits
I said one would see address it, so I didn't see the need to press the point
here.)

So as for your original question, did the pointer to the docs and things
that are known not to work perhaps help with the challenge you're having?
Just trying to focus on helping with what we can, here and now.

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:48 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

According to the ice browser website, ice browser and all of the products
went end of life status a year ago and last product release 2 years ago.

 

When is Adobe gonna get off its b-hind and do something about this? There
are soo many open source browser engines out there like webkit for example
that will do a much better job, and being that Adobe OWNS Acrobat, you would
think they would have done it a lng time ago

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RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-28 Thread charlie arehart
Steve, my point was that the CF doc (link I gave) talks specifically about
what things it does and doesn't support well. I was just proposing that
rather than give up on it entirely (which I'd understand) you may be able to
finesse it to work as is. Totally your call. Just wanted to make sure the
pointed I offered wasn't missed.

 

/charlie

 

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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thats just it. IceBrowser is EOL now so there is nothing to download and
support is only being given to existing customers so it looks like i might
have to use a 3rd party app to do my pdf generation which is dissapointing

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 9:37 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Thanks, good to hear. :-) But how about those resources: might they help you
resolve your problems until somehow Adobe improves things?

 

/charlie

 

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[cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-27 Thread Steve Onnis
Is there a browser or something i can used to view a HTML document that will
accurately show me how CFDOCUMENT will HTML?  I am generating some PDF files
using HTML and the output looks nothing like how it looks in the browser

 

Steve

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Re: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-27 Thread m...@ampersand.net.au

  
  
I have used wkhtmltopdf to do this via cfexecute for
  at least a few years now. It uses the
  webkit rendering engine, so basically the HTML will end up like it
  would in safari/chrome. cfdocument just never worked as well for
  me.
  
  See http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/ for more.
  
e.g. cfexecute
  name="[path]\wkhtmltopdf.exe" arguments="""[path][filename].html""
  ""[path][filename].pdf"""/cfexecute
  
  There might be a better way so I am interested to see how other
  achieve this.

  

On 28/11/2011 12:23 PM, Steve Onnis wrote:

  
  
  
  
Is there a browser or something i can used
  to view a HTML document that will accurately show me how
  CFDOCUMENT will HTML? I am generating some PDF files using
  HTML and the output looks nothing like how it looks in the
  browser

Steve
  
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RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-27 Thread charlie arehart
I seem to recall hearing that the underlying rendering engine is a 3rd party
(commercial product) called IceBrowser
(http://www.icesoft.com/products/icebrowser.html).  I realize most think/say
that it's itext, but it's not doing the html rendering: icebrowser is. Itext
may then be called to conver that to pdf, I think. It would then be less of
a surprise why it may not always be a faithful rendering. :-)

That said, it seems worth noting that the CF docs do give some info on what
should and should not be expected to render well:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_d-e_0
5.html

Finally, back to ICEBrowser, while there's no downloadable trial there for
you to use, I do see they offer a link to a sister open source IcePDF viewer
project: http://www.icepdf.org/. That said, I did some digging around there
and it seems that's focused only on rendering existing  PDF files, not
converting HTML to PDF. I could be wrong. 

And of course, the version that is built into CF may be quite old. I've not
seen the version number documented. Indeed, Adobe hardly mentions this tool
being what underlies it (though google icebrowser coldfusion and you'll find
some hits discussing it). 

But hope some of the info above may be helpful.

 

/charlie

 

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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:24 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Is there a browser or something i can used to view a HTML document that will
accurately show me how CFDOCUMENT will HTML?  I am generating some PDF files
using HTML and the output looks nothing like how it looks in the browser

 

Steve

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RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

2011-11-27 Thread Steve Onnis
According to the ice browser website, ice browser and all of the products
went end of life status a year ago and last product release 2 years ago.

 

When is Adobe gonna get off its b-hind and do something about this? There
are soo many open source browser engines out there like webkit for example
that will do a much better job, and being that Adobe OWNS Acrobat, you would
think they would have done it a lng time ago

 

From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] 
Sent: Monday, 28 November 2011 3:04 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

I seem to recall hearing that the underlying rendering engine is a 3rd party
(commercial product) called IceBrowser
(http://www.icesoft.com/products/icebrowser.html).  I realize most think/say
that it's itext, but it's not doing the html rendering: icebrowser is. Itext
may then be called to conver that to pdf, I think. It would then be less of
a surprise why it may not always be a faithful rendering. :-)

That said, it seems worth noting that the CF docs do give some info on what
should and should not be expected to render well:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_d-e_0
5.html

Finally, back to ICEBrowser, while there's no downloadable trial there for
you to use, I do see they offer a link to a sister open source IcePDF viewer
project: http://www.icepdf.org/. That said, I did some digging around there
and it seems that's focused only on rendering existing  PDF files, not
converting HTML to PDF. I could be wrong. 

And of course, the version that is built into CF may be quite old. I've not
seen the version number documented. Indeed, Adobe hardly mentions this tool
being what underlies it (though google icebrowser coldfusion and you'll find
some hits discussing it). 

But hope some of the info above may be helpful.

 

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:24 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] CFDOCUMENT rendering

 

Is there a browser or something i can used to view a HTML document that will
accurately show me how CFDOCUMENT will HTML?  I am generating some PDF files
using HTML and the output looks nothing like how it looks in the browser

 

Steve

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