Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, KNOTT, Brian brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au wrote: Guys what’s the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer. Short term project. Just as a data point (since I'm sure US rates are different to AU rates), I know plenty of US CFers who are getting $700-$1,000 USD / day and I know a few who are getting north of that. Of course, there are also plenty getting south of that range but I'm not sure how experienced those folks are. I also know there are some folks out there desperate to get even $400 / day and they have quite a bit of experience, on paper at least. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
lol Peter. $120 / day. I think that Woollies pay more as a checkout chick. I tend to go for that an hour on a bad day. On 15 March 2011 16:56, ColdGen Internet Solutions coldgen.internet.soluti...@gmail.com wrote: So... 15 years at $15 per hour base rate (8 hours per day)? $120 ish per day seems reasonable even to me! But I'm sold! Peter Tilbrook Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016 Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/ ABN: 80 826 226 128 On 15 March 2011 16:48, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: 15 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Cheers Simon Haddon Woman loves feeling danger and speed. That is why woman wants man. They get a speed rush that is the most dangerous of all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
As a contractor maybe. No way you would expect that in an employed position From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:57 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate $500 a day for a junior _ From: brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:15:05 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] Daily Rate Guys what's the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer. Short term project. Brian Knott | http://search.ourspace.int.corp.sun/PeopleResults.aspx?k=JobTitle:%22Budget s%20and%20Forecasts%20Specialist%20EP%22 Budget and Forecast Specialist | Group Budget, Planning Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St mailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au _ This e-mail is sent by Suncorp Group Limited ABN 66 145 290 124 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
Wouldnt they get a salary and not a rate? The salary for juniors seems to be going down, down down. . .. From: st...@cfcentral.com.au To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:43:56 +1100 As a contractor maybe. No way you would expect that in an employed position From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:57 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate $500 a day for a juniorFrom: brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:15:05 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] Daily RateGuys what’s the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer. Short term project. Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialist | Group Budget, Planning Forecasting | Group Finance | SuncorpPh: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George stbrian.kn...@suncorp.com.au This e-mail is sent by Suncorp Group Limited ABN 66 145 290 124 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
Brian, The way I would calculate a given rate is based off the number of years of experience... I usually work it using the following rule: * If they are completely new to the role, about $20 an hour... * Every 4 years of experience nets them an extra $15 an hour on top of that. * And every year above 10 years gets them an extra $5/hr on top of that... so 12 years of experience nets 20 + 3*15 + 2*5 = 75/hr = ~ 600 a day... minimum. The over 10 years add on, could be as high as $10 more per hour for every year of experience above 10 years... so this rate can vary as much as an extra 10/hr... which only works out to about 680/day... (85/hr) A desirable salary on the other hand, generally is about the hourly rate expressed in thousands plus about 20%... So a $75/hr position works roughly well as 75K x 1.2 = 90K salary position... base salary for the sake of example... Rule of thumb is that as a contractor you're earning roughly double your rate in thousands in salary per annum... so earning 75/hr is almost equivalent to earning 150K/year. Switching to a perm role, and therefore a lower salary equivalent is usually a big deterrent for most contractors considering a perm role... especially if it means dropping about 40% of your income... But as Mark Picker said... the salary packages also include a substantial amount of annual leave, sick leave, flex time, superannuation, and so on to make up for a number of these cutbacks. I'm a contractor myself, and have been for some time, I know that there are risks to dropping to a perm role, but I personally can't wait to get into a stable CF Dev role myself once this contract finishes up... @Mark P, DET have been trying to fill a CF role over the last few years but have been unsuccessful? Just out of curiosity, what channels did you go through re advertising the role? There's a number of us developers out there, I'm surprised you had difficulties?? ~ Eliseo On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:15 PM, KNOTT, Brian brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au wrote: Guys what’s the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer. Short term project. Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialist | Group Budget, Planning Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
Seriously? If you couldn’t find a person for 3 or 4 years you weren't asking in the right places. It's not that hard, if you're really looking. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eliseo Dannunzio Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 2:15 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate Brian, The way I would calculate a given rate is based off the number of years of experience... I usually work it using the following rule: * If they are completely new to the role, about $20 an hour... * Every 4 years of experience nets them an extra $15 an hour on top of that. * And every year above 10 years gets them an extra $5/hr on top of that... so 12 years of experience nets 20 + 3*15 + 2*5 = 75/hr = ~ 600 a day... minimum. The over 10 years add on, could be as high as $10 more per hour for every year of experience above 10 years... so this rate can vary as much as an extra 10/hr... which only works out to about 680/day... (85/hr) A desirable salary on the other hand, generally is about the hourly rate expressed in thousands plus about 20%... So a $75/hr position works roughly well as 75K x 1.2 = 90K salary position... base salary for the sake of example... Rule of thumb is that as a contractor you're earning roughly double your rate in thousands in salary per annum... so earning 75/hr is almost equivalent to earning 150K/year. Switching to a perm role, and therefore a lower salary equivalent is usually a big deterrent for most contractors considering a perm role... especially if it means dropping about 40% of your income... But as Mark Picker said... the salary packages also include a substantial amount of annual leave, sick leave, flex time, superannuation, and so on to make up for a number of these cutbacks. I'm a contractor myself, and have been for some time, I know that there are risks to dropping to a perm role, but I personally can't wait to get into a stable CF Dev role myself once this contract finishes up... @Mark P, DET have been trying to fill a CF role over the last few years but have been unsuccessful? Just out of curiosity, what channels did you go through re advertising the role? There's a number of us developers out there, I'm surprised you had difficulties?? ~ Eliseo On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:15 PM, KNOTT, Brian brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au wrote: Guys what’s the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer. Short term project. Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialist | Group Budget, Planning Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
So... 15 years at $15 per hour base rate (8 hours per day)? $120 ish per day seems reasonable even to me! But I'm sold! Peter Tilbrook Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016 Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/ ABN: 80 826 226 128 On 15 March 2011 16:48, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: 15 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
$500 a day for a junior From: brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:15:05 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] Daily Rate Guys what’s the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer. Short term project. Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialist | Group Budget, Planning Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au This e-mail is sent by Suncorp Group Limited ABN 66 145 290 124 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Daily Rate
Guys what's the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer. Short term project. Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialisthttp://search.ourspace.int.corp.sun/PeopleResults.aspx?k=JobTitle:%22Budgets%20and%20Forecasts%20Specialist%20EP%22 | Group Budget, Planning Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St brian.kn...@suncorp.com.aumailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au This e-mail is sent by Suncorp Group Limited ABN 66 145 290 124 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
