The printed version of this mag is doing the rounds of our office and
surprise surprise my boss has drawn a big circle around this one paragraph
(argh sh!t, it is the only thing circled too). But I counter striked with a
comment of my own - he he.
Hopefully my preemptive ground work will have set
Don't forget http://smithproject.org/
Open Source CF Implementation.
It has most of the tags and functions CF has.
Scott Barnes wrote:
*snip*
CF should be free to be honest. It's to late in the game to charge,
ASP is free, PHP/ROR free, JSP even Free? CF?
*snip*
Unfortunately there are some key elements missing: createobject, cfimport,
custom tags, and query of queries.
Blair
On 6/4/07, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't forget http://smithproject.org/
Open Source CF Implementation.
It has most of the tags and functions CF has.
Scott
May 2007 5:05 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
2) You don't like your code meshed with your layout? Are you serious on
that
statement, name one language that doesn't do this? At least with
Coldfusion
it is a little more
this is the results of the cfeverywhere project from a couple of years back?
I wish it was around 4 years ago. Could it help to get by? on small
tasks, yes definitely. But it would have issues with
collaborative/team projects, assessment processes, auditing, exposure
to the outside world,
is dead - why did no one tell me
My comments mixed in too :)
On May 30, 8:15 pm, Simon Haddon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes I agree. There are a shortage of CF developers. There are also a
shortage of all developers at the moment. To say CF is dying would
indicate
that Adobe don't want to invest
I cringe at this remark!
Throwing fresh graduates at a project unsupervised is like letting oh I
don't know... letting a hypercaffeinated bull loose in a china factory.
It doesn't matter if it's CF or .net.
I've done some bad things in my day... and I've seen others do bad
things as well...
Barry,
I think you should read my reply to what the guy said in the first place.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
2) You don't like your code meshed with your layout? Are you serious on
that
statement, name one language that doesn't do this? At least with
Coldfusion
it is a little more readable tham PHP, JSP etc.
Andrew, that's very easy to do
surely that is a hardware issue :-)
On 5/30/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I think getting it into Unis and TAFEs world be fantastic too - push
out
some CF graduates.
not so sure that's a good thing...
Q: how many students does it take to change a light bulb?
A:
lately when I try www.coldfusion.com it doesn't seem to work.
it used to a few months back.
when ever a non cf person asks me whats the site for coldfusion I say
www.coldfusion.com
I'm not going to say go to the adobe site and hunt around lol
I hope it's only temp down when ever I seem to look
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
lately when I try www.coldfusion.com it doesn't seem to work.
it used to a few months back.
when ever a non cf person asks me whats the site for coldfusion I say
www.coldfusion.com
I'm not going to say go to the adobe
My comments are intermixed below
On 30/05/07, schlub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know it's dangerous to say this in this forum, but I would have to
agree that CF is a dying (though not dead) language based on my own
experiences with the CF industry. The fact is that teaching
institutions
It has been some time since I have written to the CFAUSSIE list.
As many on this list will know, ABN AMRO Morgans has been using CF (and CFMX
- with CFC's quite heavily) for some time now (well over 5 years). I have
personally been using Coldfusion since V3 (mid 1999). Prior to that I was a
on my head stone it will say CFRIP /
Steve
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
My comments
Incorrect Robin
I (with support from Sarah Barry who still works there) was teaching
120+ students Coldfusion as part of the CertIV of IT at QANTM College,
Brisbane. ICAITB070A was the unit. Plus projects. For nearly 10
months.
from simple CFLOOP thru to MVC archetecture with CFC's.
of that, 2
I realise that Barry has asked me to respond to a different question (and
I was having trouble starting a reply realising that it is really for a
different thread - and possibly even a different list).
But I can definitely respond on topic to Robin's reply.
Firstly, I will clarify that I don't
Yep - see my additional post to Robins reply.
And I could go on about the realities (for us) against TCO (emphasis on
TOTAL).
Stand by my statement.
Regards,
Gary
On 5/31/07, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The TCO (total cost of ownership) is much less than CFMX (most of it is
free
On 30/05/2007, at 11:42 PM, Barry Beattie wrote:
Incorrect Robin
I (with support from Sarah Barry who still works there) was teaching
120+ students Coldfusion as part of the CertIV of IT at QANTM College,
Brisbane. ICAITB070A was the unit. Plus projects. For nearly 10
months.
I didn't
On 31/05/2007, at 12:26 AM, Gary Menzel wrote:
However, in variance to Robin's statement, we have LOTS of new
development.
I could have expressed myself better there Gary :-)
Robin Hilliard
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On May 31, 10:10 am, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you mean (a) giving some educational licenses to QANTM for it's
own use, or (b) giving away commercial licenses to each student?
In the case of (b) you would be asking for almost $200,000 worth of
software.
So the student
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
On May 31, 10:10 am, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you mean (a) giving some educational licenses
The developer edition is free!
There are a number of hosting companies that support CF so the
deployment costs are low. If fact using a hosting company is the
better option for small organisations because there's not need to buy
the hardware, software and internet connection and someone to
is dead - why did no one tell me
On May 31, 10:10 am, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you mean (a) giving some educational licenses to QANTM for it's
own use, or (b) giving away commercial licenses to each student?
In the case of (b) you would be asking for almost $200,000
CAVAET to bystanders:
these points relate back to 2003 - ancient history in IT and business
terms. Somewhere around there Macromedia Australia was going through
some restructuring which in part allowed Rocketboots and other
opportunities to come into being with many positive flow-on effects to
On 5/31/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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to all who say The developer edition is free!
but, in an educational context, it's bloody useless stuck on public
labs machines or the student's laptop.
I know it's dangerous to say this in this forum, but I would have to
agree that CF is a dying (though not dead) language based on my own
experiences with the CF industry. The fact is that teaching
institutions (Universities, TAFE etc) are churning out java / php /
asp.net developers' at large
this is why education of the decision makers is so important.
AFAIK, CF hasn't been used as course material in your standard Dip,
CertIV, GradDip or Bach courses with the exception of QANTM college
when CF6 came out.
very little chance of changing that. Heven knows I've tried. Ignorance
is
I really hope Adobe gets behind CF8 and seriously promotes it. And I don't
just mean in CF forums/lists or user groups, I mean in the real world -
popular press (IT CEO mags).
And I think getting it into Unis and TAFEs world be fantastic too - push out
some CF graduates.
On 5/30/07, Barry
And I think getting it into Unis and TAFEs world be fantastic too - push out
some CF graduates.
not so sure that's a good thing...
Q: how many students does it take to change a light bulb?
A: only one but it takes them three years to get it right...
I have had a crush on Mel for years now lol! Just do not let her know!!!
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On May 25, 11:21 pm, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aparently there will be new stuff in RC that is not in earlier releases.
Dang Adobe! Too many secrets!
This is 1 of Adobe's problems if ya ask me, they need to be more informative
and not keep everything a secret, when your manager
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
M@
On May 25, 11:21 pm, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Aparently there will be new stuff in RC that is not in earlier releases.
Dang Adobe! Too many secrets!
This is 1 of Adobe's problems if ya ask me, they need to be more
: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
M@
On May 25, 11:21 pm, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Aparently there will be new stuff in RC that is not in earlier releases.
Dang Adobe! Too many secrets!
This is 1 of Adobe's problems if ya ask me, they need to be more
informative
It's like your fav indie band - you go to the gigs, buy the tee
shirt, etc. *you* know how good they are but the general public won't
until they appear on countdown/MMM/Sunrise with Koshy.
Hehehe Koshy.. good point tho. Imagine Ben forta on sunrise :) I can
just picture mel saying 'it looks
Because every other mailing list has already been talking about it.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
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premiums paid for ColdFusion programmers have dropped way off,
w0w, would have been amazing before they dropped way off lol
The market is truly alive in most countries with wages rising.
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You need to get out more andrew! My tongue was firmly in my cheek.
I wish there was less work then I could mess around with some new
stuff :) Wished it paid less so I didn't feel bad when i'm relaxing
when I could be coding !
Elliot
On May 25, 5:05 pm, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bringing this up here is preaching to the choir, really.
I say we do something more interesting and do a little NetWare bashing.
Who's in?
:D
Elliot wrote:
hmmm
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasicarticleId=9020942
8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
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Of M@ Bourke
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premiums paid for ColdFusion programmers
Not a well researched article I admit. Tim and Ben would shoot her down -
note the difficulty in replying to Mary directly. Oh well!
Each to there own!
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Peter Tilbrook
ColdGen Internet Solutions
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
PO Box 2247
Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
AUSTRALIA
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Not a well researched article I admit. Tim and Ben would shoot her down -
note
May 2007 5:18 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
Peter,
Will totally agree with you, there was even another one on Ajax frameworks
and the products compared where like versions so old it was not funny.
Andrew Scott
Senior
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Peter,
Will totally agree with you, there was even another one
Dale,
I blogged the fact that the standard version needs to be free a long time
ago.
But let me tell you this now, cftags are here to stay and Adobe will not
budge on that. Which is a shame, because I would seriously like to see that
we move away from being a dynamic language and be more
Of M@ Bourke
Sent: Friday, 25 May 2007 5:51 PM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
After a bit over a year in my role I decided to take on a new challenge and
had 2 interviews and got 2 offers.
3 other developers are also leaving work
*Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: Coldfuson is dead - why did no one tell me
After a bit over a year in my role I decided to take on a new challenge
and had 2 interviews and got 2 offers.
3 other developers are also leaving work the same day as me, they all had
3 interviews and got 3 offers each, all
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After a bit over a year in my role I decided to take on a new
Well to be honest with you.
I do not think I have seen one PHP or Ruby on Rails application in a
Enterprise solution yet Yet the article stated that there are, go
figure.
On 5/25/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You and I know it is a load of crap. But when my manager reads it he
CF8, sure it provides more features big deal. it is still not true OO and
that is a big shame.
Well neither is java but it's popular.
I do not think I have seen one PHP or Ruby on Rails application in a
Enterprise solution yet...
Twitter is ruby on rails, which has gained it some publicity over
I suggest if you really want to wake these people up send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] vice president/editor in chief
Then maybe stupid stories will be edited correctly
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Twit! I like that!
From this day forward, anyone who bags any language, CFML included, without
knowing WTF they are talking about, is a Twit!.
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You will love this one then:
*http://tinyurl.com/3xn44w
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made = mad (typo)
On 5/25/07, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But is twiiter an Enterprise application?
not really, but it's about the most well known site.
Personally I think you'd be made to use Rails from a business point of
view,
anything that comes along quick is at risk of dieing
But is twiiter an Enterprise application?
not really, but it's about the most well known site.
Personally I think you'd be made to use Rails from a business point of
view,
anything that comes along quick is at risk of dieing off quick.
you'd be pretty much pioneering something that doesn't need
The open beta for ColdFusion 8 (or RC (Release Candidate) is due very soon.
Give it a go (on dev boxes only). It is becoming a bigger download but maybe
the RC will be slimmer (?)
Aparently there will be new stuff in RC that is not in earlier releases.
Dang Adobe! Too many secrets!
If you do
Aparently there will be new stuff in RC that is not in earlier releases.
Dang Adobe! Too many secrets!
This is 1 of Adobe's problems if ya ask me, they need to be more informative
and not keep everything a secret, when your manager comes up to you and says
we might move from coldfusion to X, as
you think microsoft is going to acquire adobe?
it's not about licensing, why can't they say to people we are working on
ajax integration, this is what we are doing, this is how long we think it
will take till launch, we are also working on this and bringing this to our
customers, so stay with us
Microsoft would never buy Macromedia or Adobe,
maybe 10 years ago but today it would be pointless.
they have to many competition products where MS has the far Superior tools
photo shop is about all they'd use
and maybe scrap flash so it doesn't make people less reliant on MS.
sure they wouldn't
No M@
In fact the best thing that ever happened to Macromedia was to be acquired
by Adobe - a large target and one that would surely be noticed by the powers
that be.
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You reckon? Where is MS superior to Adobe at this time? No whyyy. MS
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Dot net.
a good c# dev in visual studio can produce a site just as quick as a cf dev.
look at the power of Dot Net, you can create some narly server beast in the
same language as ya web app,
with cf you'll need to write it in 2 languages, java and CF.
PDF, anyone can make a pdf reader.
as for
you think microsoft is going to acquire adobe?
not a snow-flake's chance in hell. MS miss the opportunity to by MACR,
that would have made more sence. MS has their own plans with
Expressions, SilverLight, WPF, Onetouch deployment, etc.
it's not about licensing, why can't they say to people we
actually, I do get it (I think) - sneek up on the competition from
behind. See my point below about Microsoft.
I'm sure microsoft would sign up to beta lists if they were worried.
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Silverlight is very very slick and a serious competitor to flex/flash.
And not surprisingly you do it all in the one IDE - visual studio. So
instaed of cf, java, Actionscript and flexbuilder its all the one
language one ide.
All this stuff hopefully keeps everybody on their toes moving forward,
Silverlight is very very slick and a serious competitor to flex/flash.
And not surprisingly you do it all in the one IDE - visual studio. So
instaed of cf, java, Actionscript and flexbuilder its all the one
language one ide.
hang on, to be fair.
most Java work is done in Eclipse (that I've
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