Fundimenal problems in marketing:
Just ask anyone advertising building a new web system and trying to
use an agency, they pretty much all laugh at you and tell you to build
in .Net or PHP as ColdFusion is a waste of money.
evangelism is also failing at the hiring level... how about a free
I think some great points were made towards the end of this thread. I
agree that it's too late for Adobe to put any more money into pushing
CF. I mean promoting a scripting language? That's so last decade :)
There are so many free options now that's its not worth the hassle to
go CF for a new
and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho needs
a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports directly
into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and
b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually
enabled
Adobe should already know these things...and if they don't then why don't
they
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and that's what I
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Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 11:05 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho
needs
a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU
If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile
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@Steve:
you're assuming
then this whole discussion is futile
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@Steve:
you're assuming their view, Kai's view
I can add as much detail as necessary to this if people who could make such a
decision and move were interested. I don't think this mailing list is the right
place though to collaboratively work on a job description for a platform/CF
evangelism role in ANZ.
Cheers
Kai
On 31/05/2010, at 1:05
: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
@Steve:
you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same.
That may not be the case.
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@Steve:
you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same.
That may not be the case
This kind of discussion has no value if there is no outcome though
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I kind of thought the whole point
Yeah I agree with Steve there should be outcomes out of a debate like
this.
I'm not sure if Adobe is going to give us list of action points of
what their plan is and how we fit into it by the end of the day/week.
That being said I can only hope that at some point they will share it
with
always done
you will always get what you have always gotten.
Steve
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Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 9:29 AM
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strongly disagree, Steve.
Who's
I doubt that will happen as that would mean some sort of accountability
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Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Yeah I agree with Steve
Steve,
Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google?
Mark
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote:
Example
I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I
only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website
on the Adobe website...via
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap
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From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Steve,
Where re you
/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap
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Steve,
Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot
/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap
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Steve,
Where re you searching? via Adobe's
returns the same results as the url i gave you
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From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:24 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
So basically, there needs to be an update of the Partner portal -
http
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap
From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Steve,
Where re you searching
@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
@Mark
I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their
information is out of date.
it's their portal, no? Shouldn't they know this? it's their
relationship with their partners they should be actively engaging in,
yes
://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap
From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Steve,
Where re you
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote:
I would be very interested to know how many actual Adobe partners and any
level there are in Australia. Mark would you have access to this kind of
information?
No... strangely enough I don't get inside information
Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken,
you should - because even if it's fixed, it'll be unfixed given enough
time. It's the underlying causes that's broken. The portal is just a
symptom.
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Symptom of what then?
If it's a symptom of a greater problem between Adobe and partners/resellers
- maybe we can propose some solutions to help alleviate that.
Mark
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Barry Beattie barry.beat...@gmail.comwrote:
Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are
On 31/05/2010, at 11:19 AM, Brett Herford-Fell wrote:
I.e. how many installations, how big the the community is in Australia?
A Google search returns 5.6 million cfm pages in Australia.
A few years back there were 4,500 distinct .au domains serving ColdFusion
pages, which were served from
On 31/05/2010, at 11:47 AM, Steve Onnis wrote:
Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system?
Because you signed up with Express Data, not Adobe. When you signed up with
Express Data there was nothing to say that you did it to sell ColdFusion - you
might be selling MS
On 31/05/2010, at 11:36 AM, Mark Mandel wrote:
I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their
information is out of date.
It's not Adobe's information, it's the partners. Partners can update their
information at any time.
Robin
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I am signed up with both. I am a Bronze level Adobe partner and an Express
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On 31/05/2010, at 11:36 AM, Mark Mandel wrote:
I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their
information is out of date.
It's not Adobe's
On May 31, 7:39 am, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote:
I can add as much detail as necessary to this if people who could make such a
decision and move were interested. I don't think this mailing list is the
right place though to collaboratively work on a job description for a
platform/CF
: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system? If I
join up to be a reseller I shouldn't have to be manually added into the
reseller system and then into the website so I can be found for searching.
And in addition
This is why I strongly believe that Adobe should move the CFML Engine into
the Open Source market, the others(Railo/openBD etc.) can decide to help
Adobe improve this or even get more support from the community by doing
this.
The language itself would be up to date, and released more often.
The
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On May 31, 7:39 am, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote:
I can add as much detail as necessary to this if people who could make
such a decision and move were interested. I don't think
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Of Steve Onnis
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Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system? If I
join up to be a reseller I shouldn't have
I believe Adobe should start out with getting some CF talent into the
Consultancy arm in ANZ so that more Flex based projects can(should)
have a CF backend, and also at the start (assuming not enough CF work
via the Consultancy) primarily evangelising to NON-CF folks (Schools,
Startup UGs),
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 16:27, KC Kuok kck...@gmail.com wrote:
... Adobe
doesn't even have any australian run events which they run themselves,
I think Adobe AU or even ANZ will benefit from a compact conference
where they can have a show and tell what has just recently come out
and what is
And the local REFRESH events are held all over Australia, and I don't think
I haven't been to one in which CF wasn't mentioned.
So actually - that is something that they do do to push CF to non-CF'ers in
ANZ.
Mark
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Chris Velevitch
chris.velevi...@gmail.comwrote:
On 27/05/2010, at 9:51 PM, Barry Beattie wrote:
Half a dozen people sitting in a 3 day short-course delivered by a
private training provider is as much as you can expect, methinks. You
certainly couldn't do that every week for the instructor to pay their
mortgage...
And I'm reasonably
I should
be allowed to share some details on our strategy for ColdFusion X
(albeit under NDA).
I think this is one of the problems with CF, with competing technologies
(especially OSS) you often know what is coming in the next release before
development is even started on it.
I've had
I think your missing the point of coldfusion, the days of massive features
are over. Cf is based on Java these days. Anything is possible. If your
stuck selling on the next big thing, your lost
It's 2010, your not constrained by the platform. It's a cop out IMHO to say
anything else
Cf9 was a
the days of massive features are over.
hence reason they should bring out more releases more often instead of
larger releases every 2 years, adobe is falling behind the competition on
there own product.
multiple things being introduced in cf 9.0.1 have been out in openBD and
railo for quite a
ReMix is relatively cheap, gives you a chance to update on the new
things that MS is bring out this year, and a place where the local
evangelists try to spread the word and convert the masses over. Adobe
doesn't even have any australian run events which they run themselves,
I think Adobe AU
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:57 AM, M@ Bourke
m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:
this is where companies like Railo are starting to leave CF behind, you
actually speak to the developers of the product and they'll tell you oh
thats good we'll look at implementing that in one of the next
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with what you say about us being the ones in the trenches. Like I
said in an earlier post, I sometimes have to try and justify even within my
organisation the use of CF, and it's not always easy - I would really
I think at the end of the day it comes down to perception...
My Perception is:
1) Adobe does not market CF hard enough in the ANZ region. (A few
examples in this thread where CF could have been sold/pitched but
wasn't)
2) In Australia, management seem to think web based languages revolve
around
On 27/05/2010, at 11:59 AM, mpicker wrote:
We still haven't been able to fill your web developer position (for
those playing at home, Justin left here years ago), despite 3 or 4
rounds of advertising. We only just finished another round.
One of our contractors (lots of Flex and some CF
On 27/05/2010, at 4:34 AM, Justin Carter wrote:
Adobe could solve
by getting their (existing) CF educational materials into colleges and
universities.
This is easy to say, and much more complex in reality. Firstly I would be
worried about a University that listened to vendors to decide what
TAFEs have a different problem. Teaching specific technologies is part of
their brief. There is some limited curriculum material available (based on
the commercial courses) for vocational colleges to teach using the Adobe
products, but what TAFEs need are teachers with the skills to teach
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Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
TAFEs have a different problem. Teaching specific technologies is
part of
their brief. There is some limited curriculum material available
(based on
the commercial courses) for vocational colleges to teach using the
Adobe
products
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:08 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:
Not saying it applies in this case, I think there is a belief that if
developers for a particular technology are scarce they cost more, if they're
plentiful they cost less (in theory). .NET has appealed to some I've worked
Hi Sean,
I agree with what you say about us being the ones in the trenches. Like
I said in an earlier post, I sometimes have to try and justify even within
my organisation the use of CF, and it's not always easy - I would really
benefit from some kind of support resources to help me with
I guess the question I would ask then is what is Adobe doing to try and
retain these customers? And not only retain them but get new customers?
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Sent: Friday, 28 May 2010 10:36 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI
Hi Adam,
thanks for weighing in on this. You know I love you, but... :)
We have to pay to be partners, as well as meet certain criteria. We
don't then actually get anything from adobe, except some base level
downloads of software - but the expectation we're getting is to spend
is the point
of being classed as a partner
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From: Toby Tremayne [mailto:t...@lyricist.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 28 May 2010 3:30 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Hi Adam,
thanks for weighing in on this. You know I love
I can back that, at my first job, MS used to call us to ask if
everything was ok and chit chat about upcoming stuff with our IT-
centric managers, and regularly sent invites to launch of new products
built on MS tech. AND it was at a large private school, so our
licenses were all a fraction of the
Kovan
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:45 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On 26/05/2010 15:14, Mark Mandel wrote:
What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had
experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from
vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO
[mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kai Koenig
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Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from
vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks
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MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events
from vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO
level are invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training
events local
On 26/05/2010, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
1995/1996 Was not the height of the .COM bubble, in fact the .Com was not a
twinkle in anyone's eyes.
It was 1995 when firmware contacted our company, took us along to a
confernce/luncheon and gave us a pack full of ColdFusion stuff. And next
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
and, you'll be able to apply for the JB job and get free music as well.
i went to CEbit yesterday. i noticed lots of the banners had the microsoft
certified logo on them. one or two tux-the-penguins. only one adobe
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote:
Where was CEBit?
Sydney.
Chris
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Yeah it might have been 1996/1997, I know it was well before I worked at ANZ
which was 1999/2000.
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Robin Hilliard ro...@rocketboots.com.auwrote:
On 26/05/2010, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
So as Jeremy only wrote the first version in July, they were pretty
On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote:
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote:
Where was CEBit?
Sydney.
And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-(
The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or
our segment of it at
hey Kym, it sounds like you're having the same problem CF is.
been around forever, in use all over the place, but invisible to
everyone who isn't actually being paid to look at it.
asd
On 26/05/10 17:42, Kym Kovan wrote:
On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote:
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at
On 26/05/2010 18:21, nomadic fish wrote:
hey Kym, it sounds like you're having the same problem CF is.
been around forever, in use all over the place, but invisible to
everyone who isn't actually being paid to look at it.
Yes well I certainly have been around for ever and we are certainly
I've been UK based the last 4 years and in both of the companies I've worked
for here we've had Forta in our office.
first company he came to do a sale pitch by him self, and current company he
came with the UK product manager (I've forgotten his name) to do a sales
pitch and reassurance of the
Matt,
If you don't mind me asking, how big is the organization you work for?
Sent from my mobile device
On 26 May 2010 19:17, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been UK based the last 4 years and in both of the companies I've worked
for here we've had Forta in our office.
One had 200 staff and about 20 cf devs and present has around 300 staff and
7cf devs and 6 or so contract cf devs.
Current product is intranet application used by governments but we are a
private company, in other company we looked after household name e-commerce
systems, so it would be
I think that the Adobe CF support for people who already know the product is
great.
Where things lack is the cold calling of companies to talk about the
benefits of CF. This is something that I believe should be driven Adobe the
same as MS do for their products.
On 26 May 2010 19:57, M@ Bourke
as everyone
else) has not been good.
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:47 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I agree with the Hosting point you made
Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion
hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the
chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know
there is hosting in the first place.
Maybe it'd be a good idea to
: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion
hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the
chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know
there is hosting in the first place.
Maybe it'd
I love developing resources, working with them to realise their full
potential.
Resources, Chad?
Forgive me for saying but you mean people don't you?
People who have passion? who have failings? who have ... family?
In my mind, there's a distinct difference. It's people who can have
a symbiotic
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I love developing resources, working with them to realise their full
potential.
Resources, Chad?
Forgive me for saying but you mean people don't you?
People who have passion? who have failings? who have ... family?
In my mind, there's a distinct
-
From: Kai Koenig [mailto:k...@koeni.de]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 9:17 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion
hosting happens in-house or on people's own
I hate to be the one to tell you, but there is no one in Adobe AU who really
does CF - which is part of the problem imho.
Cheers
Kai
Can anyone remind me of who the CF-related Adobe guys are in
Australia? Does Andrew Spaulding do CF stuff, and are there any
others?
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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm surprised Railo hasn't appointed a rep out here romancing
universities in AU/NZ to get it rolling also.
I was actually quite surprised Railo didn't push heavily into the ANZ region
when they first started.
FYI, Ben Forta has a list of CF ISPs
http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/
Or, if new ANZ list is started, perhaps see if it can integrate?
(single point for data maintenance)
kj
On May 26, 9:16 pm, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote:
Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of
Adobe need to market CF better in ANZ i think. i was talking to a mate
who works in .NET last week and he still doesnt know about CF! i got
so pissed off nearly punched him.
But the companies are wrong if they claim there's not enough
developers. There's just not enough jobs here. thats why i
I say something similar other times when this comes up, but I like seeing
letters appear on the screen when I hit the keys, so will go again.
I love developing resources, working with them to realise their full
potential. Really freakishly love it. Trying to find those resources in a
scarce
Oh boy, I think I have been saying that for like 8+ years now.
Its the market, people are finding it hard to fill ColdFusion roles. So the
only thing left is to move the product over to a more feasible language with
a pool of developers that they can resource from.
Until that changes for
I hate to ask this question... but...
If it's been said for 8 years, but there are still CF jobs and developers in
Australia, then that's a long time for all the jobs to dissapear.
Although, I don't disagree, it is tough to find CF developers in Australia.
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM,
It's a paradox - the recruiters say coldfusion developers are really hard to
find, yet there have been only handful of coldfusion contracts/permanent
jobs advertised in the last year or so in Sydney.
If we are in such demand, how come they arent looking for us by advertising?
In Sydney in
looking for work?
_
From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:07 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I hate to ask this question... but...
If it's been said for 8 years, but there are still CF jobs
On the Java Posse podcast recently they were trying to think of big sites
made in .NET and they all drew a blank.
In a later episode stackoverflow.com was put forward as probably the best
example they could give of a large site done in .NET.
So it left me wondering just where .NET is
So its a slow and painful death for Australia.
Seriously, when you do a search for ColdFusion on seek there are a few jobs
listed but not one of them is a pure ColdFusion job. Been like this for many
years, question is how do we change it? We need Adobes help here as the user
groups are doing all
mySpace
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:
On the Java Posse podcast recently they were trying to think of big sites
made in .NET and they all drew a blank.
In a later episode stackoverflow.com was put forward as probably the best
example they could give
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:
but until Adobe come in and push like firmware used to do and promote the
product it will not be a serious contender here in Australia.
Again, I'll ask the question - HOW?
I honestly have no idea how firmware used to
How you ask Mark?
Well it is a good question to ask, but Firmware was out in peoples faces
giving business/companies packs. They held events for businesses to come
along and see the product in action. You could invite friends along in the
industry, they put on a small supper and gave away door
Why should we be telling them what we want done? This is a marketing and
sales problem and to be quite frank M$ is kicking their bums.
_
From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:25 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB
] On Behalf
Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:25 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:
but until Adobe come in and push like firmware used to do and promote the
product
I'd like to know what (if anything) Adobe are currently doing to market
ColdFusion in this region.Last time i asked this, people (including you,
Mark) jumped down my throat and called me a whinger. But i did also notice
that no one said anything along the lines of you're mistaken Mike,
So, to be clear - you would like to see a designated person for representing
CF in the ANZ region? Much like Adobe has evangelists in US and EU?
(and I would love to see this as well)
Even if their job was CF AND something else (I actually found out a little
while back that Terry Ryan is
Mike, I don't know where you've been looking but there have been jobs
a plenty here in Sydney as based from the number of Seek ads I've seen
come through... Granted they are not pure CF roles, but they are
roles nonetheless.
Eliseo
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com
If your aim is to solve an issue, one of the easiest ways to do that is to
offer some suggestions to how to fix it, don't you think?
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote:
Why should we be telling them what we want done? This is a marketing and
sales
and
maintenance of that...its not a cheap exercise. Then adding the cost of
software and updates, it gets quite hight
_
From: Cassie Woolley [mailto:cas...@bluerocksoftware.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:39 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
If your aim is to solve an issue, one of the easiest ways to do that is to
offer some suggestions to how to fix it, don't you think?
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote:
Why should we be telling them what we want done
So this is what I see Adobe doing locally:
(and this is just my perspective)
1. Setting up designated CF resellers in the ANZ region.
2. Supporting and sponsoring multiple conferences in ANZ that provide CF
content.
3. Sending CF evangelist and engineers to multiple events in ANZ (I
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