[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
On 2/3/07, Shane Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/3/07, Andrew Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another interesting fact is that Apple have increased their market share of the US laptop sector to 12% and it's still growing, just the facts. I must agree, if I got a laptop, an iBook would be on top of the list (with Windows and Linux installed and a huge hole in my bank balance). Yeah, I'd probably agree. My brother has one and he showed me some of the cool things that you can do with them now, especially with Parallels. I personally am not over the moon about both sets, I think OSX once had an appeal to me, due to its rich UI but like all things Apple, I get bored afterawhile (up to my 5th iPod and thinking of switching to another brand as I hate being locked into M4p reduced quality mp3's)... The thing I was most disappointed about with OSX when looking into Macs was the lack of support for 64bit applications. They have been running 64bit chips since the G5 was released but Tiger is the first version of OSX (which on a side note seems to need an upgrade every few months for things they forgot to implement) to support 64bit out of the console environment. This was a big reason to stick with Windows and Linux (rantanything based on Debian rocks even though Debian is a good as dead now... *cough* Ubuntu *cough*/rant). Running SQL Server 64bit edition on a 64bit Windows platform is freaking fast! Java seems to love it and Eclipse seems snappier on my 64bit machines. Surely if there is a market for it? they'd shift gear and adopt 64bit? maybe its early days and so they are holding off? For me the best option was Windows and Linux on two separate desktops and using Synergy http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ to connect to the two (almost) seamlessly. Not a fan of Linux. I've tried it and used it for a bit, but to be honest it felt like HAM Radio style approach to things. Yeah I could do a lot with it, but couldn't be arsed to be honest. I'm lazy ;) I know I am ranting but I just got back from a week out of the Brisbane summer sun. As good as it is to have such nice weather, the cold can be very enjoyable as well! I'm in miserable Seattle at the moment where its so freakin cold, I'm experiencing a new cold feeling. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
Hey, I didn't start it :) just contributing to an existing discussion. Its not as if CFAUSSIE goes OT most times anyway. On 2/5/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Scott et All. Do yourself a favor and move this discussion to another list. Everyone else, I can't believe your taking the bait. Regards Dale Fraser -- *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Scott *Sent:* Monday, 5 February 2007 10:42 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista? Scott, I frankly require more web development discussions than this. This is really OT and as far as I am concerned M$ is a monopolistic giant, that's why they are in the position they are in. But now M$ are now forcing so many users to upgrade their computers to run the latest version of the OS, and not to mention that along side of the hardware comes a lot of software upgrades as well. Like I said, the pricing of the OS, and software in general is far over priced and we wonder why piracy is so rampant! Why don't companies stop spending on fighting piracy, spend the money elsewhere reduce the cost of the software and make it more affordable. Crime is getting higher and higher each year. And until companies wake up to that, piracy will be here to stay. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Monday, 5 February 2007 9:38 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista? On 2/3/07, *Shane Farmer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/3/07, *Andrew Muller* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another interesting fact is that Apple have increased their market share of the US laptop sector to 12% and it's still growing, just the facts. I must agree, if I got a laptop, an iBook would be on top of the list (with Windows and Linux installed and a huge hole in my bank balance). Yeah, I'd probably agree. My brother has one and he showed me some of the cool things that you can do with them now, especially with Parallels. I personally am not over the moon about both sets, I think OSX once had an appeal to me, due to its rich UI but like all things Apple, I get bored afterawhile (up to my 5th iPod and thinking of switching to another brand as I hate being locked into M4p reduced quality mp3's)... The thing I was most disappointed about with OSX when looking into Macs was the lack of support for 64bit applications. They have been running 64bit chips since the G5 was released but Tiger is the first version of OSX (which on a side note seems to need an upgrade every few months for things they forgot to implement) to support 64bit out of the console environment. This was a big reason to stick with Windows and Linux (rantanything based on Debian rocks even though Debian is a good as dead now... *cough* Ubuntu *cough*/rant). Running SQL Server 64bit edition on a 64bit Windows platform is freaking fast! Java seems to love it and Eclipse seems snappier on my 64bit machines. Surely if there is a market for it? they'd shift gear and adopt 64bit? maybe its early days and so they are holding off? For me the best option was Windows and Linux on two separate desktops and using Synergy http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ to connect to the two (almost) seamlessly. Not a fan of Linux. I've tried it and used it for a bit, but to be honest it felt like HAM Radio style approach to things. Yeah I could do a lot with it, but couldn't be arsed to be honest. I'm lazy ;) I know I am ranting but I just got back from a week out of the Brisbane summer sun. As good as it is to have such nice weather, the cold can be very enjoyable as well! I'm in miserable Seattle at the moment where its so freakin cold, I'm experiencing a new cold feeling. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
On 2/3/07, Andrew Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another interesting fact is that Apple have increased their market share of the US laptop sector to 12% and it's still growing, just the facts. I must agree, if I got a laptop, an iBook would be on top of the list (with Windows and Linux installed and a huge hole in my bank balance). The thing I was most disappointed about with OSX when looking into Macs was the lack of support for 64bit applications. They have been running 64bit chips since the G5 was released but Tiger is the first version of OSX (which on a side note seems to need an upgrade every few months for things they forgot to implement) to support 64bit out of the console environment. This was a big reason to stick with Windows and Linux (rantanything based on Debian rocks even though Debian is a good as dead now... *cough* Ubuntu *cough*/rant). Running SQL Server 64bit edition on a 64bit Windows platform is freaking fast! Java seems to love it and Eclipse seems snappier on my 64bit machines. For me the best option was Windows and Linux on two separate desktops and using Synergy http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ to connect to the two (almost) seamlessly. I know I am ranting but I just got back from a week out of the Brisbane summer sun. As good as it is to have such nice weather, the cold can be very enjoyable as well! Shane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
(Fiscal Year ending 2006) HeadCount World Wide: 71,172 Net Revenue: $44.28B (USD) Growth: 11% Net Income: $12.06B (USD) Growth: 3% Market Share (Source: OneStat.com) Windows: 97.46% Apple OSX: 01.43% Linux: 00.26% In my carpark at work we have roughly 100 cars, of these there is roughly 18 porches 1 ferrari, about 35 vauxhalls a dozen fords, 10 or so BMDubya's and a few random cars. now by your market share that would mean the vauxhall's are by far the most Superior car. Jobs once said that BMW only has 5% market share and that doesn't mean they produce poor quality cars. which is very true, how ever BMDubya's are quite lame and boring, which tells us 2 things, Mac's aren't crap because they only have a small market share and Macs are lame and boring, the cool kids drive Ferrari's and use Windows XP. Vista is for show offs M@ Who has no idea what his argument was or his conclusion --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
*yawn* heard this one before, MS are evil, and something about Vader being my father or was that a different piece of fiction? Its the facts. Didn't say there were right, didn't say they were wrong, just the facts :) On 2/2/07, Tom Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Barnes wrote: Ok, Let's go to the numbers shall we as this will give hopefully a few of you an insight as to why I switched tracks over to MS and kind of kick the OSX argument in the butt. (Just the facts mam!) (Fiscal Year ending 2006) HeadCount World Wide: 71,172 Net Revenue: $44.28B (USD) Growth: 11% Net Income: $12.06B (USD) Growth: 3% Market Share (Source: OneStat.com) Windows: 97.46% Apple OSX: 01.43% Linux: 00.26% - BetaNews.com reported that 22% of Installs of Windows were Non-Genuine - That means that People are more inclined to commit piracy or become victims of piracy, before they'll touch Apple OSX (which isn't fair, as certain countries have poor economic backgrounds and therefore Piracy is easier and more likely to Occur - until now with Vista). That's one interpretation. Another is that Microsoft's monopolistic practises have removed choice from the market. - Microsoft will only continue to Support Windows XP for 5 years. And the fact that existing customers are left in the lurch is good reason to purchase another of their products? What's the support period for Vista? - Windows Vista has a minimum recommended specification (like XP once did etc). Which means folks with older machines will eventually need to upgrade ( like Windows XP days ). - Given that Upgrades are likely to occur, I wonder what HP, DELL, INTEL, Toshiba, ASUS etc are all going to say about that and whether they'll embrace the idea or prefer OSX gets installed? So businesses should buy-in, because they will be *forced* to purchase new hardware. Maybe I'm being unfair, your rhetorical question is rather open-ended. What *will* HP, Dell, Intel, Toshiba, Asus etc say about it? Surely you're not implying that they'll collude to restrict choice in the marketplace? - Given that certain versions of Windows Vista has Media Centre installed mixed with Sanity Music, Bigpond onDemand, Kodak etc (local based initiatives to start off with), I wonder what places like Harvey Norman are doing about this in terms of Home Entertainment Division (Especially thinking along the Zune Player track and the per month subscription model). Hang on, this is a bit of a jump. We're talking about home usage now? So home users should upgrade so that they can pay per-month fees for something for which they can currently buy a perpetual license. - Given that XBOX 360 also integrates quite snuggly with Windows Vista, what does that also mean for places like Harvey Norman. - Given that code base is easier to develop to for both PC and XBOX 360 at the same time, what do Game Developers think of both (could it be fair to argue that PC Game scene may also gain a surge in terms of marketshare alongside console). DirectX is a steaming pile of snot. ;) It's also currently my only reason to run Windows on a desktop. The Cedega [http://www.transgaming.com/] guys seem to be doing a sterling job of removing that necessity. I haven't signed up yet, but the thought of Half Life 2 on Linux kinda gives me tingles. As does removing XP from the last of my desktops it's installed on. - Given that you will be able to play (certain games of course) XBOX 360 against PC Gamer online (Vista) won't that be a compelling arguement (I'm a mouse man myself, not a console jokey). Not really. As far as I can tell they're trying to use the PC online community to kickstart the equivalent for the console. So, 5 years ago, Microsoft had around 50,621 employees, they gained 20551 there after, that and made more money and just released a significant milestone in its profile since the migration from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95... Do people still think that OSX is going to sufficate or that large businesses are going to move towards Linux or other. Do I think that businesses *are* going to move? No, not all at once. Do I think they should? Absolutely. More competition in the marketplace can only benefit we, the consumers. I keep hearing the X-platform argument a lot lately and I keep thinking are the numbers I'm seeing different to what the others are seeing? 2% of the worlds population is a fair whack of eyeballs don't get me wrong... but in contrast to the other piece... That being said, if you companyX have an employee who loses their laptops (given laptops are highly visible in most coporations) do you think that a 6months or a year from now, DELL are going to sell new laptops with XP on it? I'd wager they'd move towards the Vista Pearl heheh. You're back to saying that we should upgrade because we won't be given the
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
On 2/3/07, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which is very true, how ever BMDubya's are quite lame and boring, which tells us 2 things, Mac's aren't crap because they only have a small market share and Macs are lame and boring, the cool kids drive Ferrari's and use Windows XP. Vista is for show offs Probably is ;) *shrug* I'm a Web guy for Microsoft, All I know about it is what I read in the glossy brochures like you folks, except someone gave me the above facts - which i shared...see you say i don't share, and clearly I shared ;) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
And another interesting fact is that Apple have increased their market share of the US laptop sector to 12% and it's still growing, just the facts. On 03/02/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *yawn* heard this one before, MS are evil, and something about Vader being my father or was that a different piece of fiction? Its the facts. Didn't say there were right, didn't say they were wrong, just the facts :) On 2/2/07, Tom Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Barnes wrote: Ok, Let's go to the numbers shall we as this will give hopefully a few of you an insight as to why I switched tracks over to MS and kind of kick the OSX argument in the butt. (Just the facts mam!) (Fiscal Year ending 2006) HeadCount World Wide: 71,172 Net Revenue: $44.28B (USD) Growth: 11% Net Income: $12.06B (USD) Growth: 3% Market Share (Source: OneStat.com) Windows: 97.46% Apple OSX: 01.43% Linux: 00.26% - BetaNews.com reported that 22% of Installs of Windows were Non-Genuine - That means that People are more inclined to commit piracy or become victims of piracy, before they'll touch Apple OSX (which isn't fair, as certain countries have poor economic backgrounds and therefore Piracy is easier and more likely to Occur - until now with Vista). That's one interpretation. Another is that Microsoft's monopolistic practises have removed choice from the market. - Microsoft will only continue to Support Windows XP for 5 years. And the fact that existing customers are left in the lurch is good reason to purchase another of their products? What's the support period for Vista? - Windows Vista has a minimum recommended specification (like XP once did etc). Which means folks with older machines will eventually need to upgrade ( like Windows XP days ). - Given that Upgrades are likely to occur, I wonder what HP, DELL, INTEL, Toshiba, ASUS etc are all going to say about that and whether they'll embrace the idea or prefer OSX gets installed? So businesses should buy-in, because they will be *forced* to purchase new hardware. Maybe I'm being unfair, your rhetorical question is rather open-ended. What *will* HP, Dell, Intel, Toshiba, Asus etc say about it? Surely you're not implying that they'll collude to restrict choice in the marketplace? - Given that certain versions of Windows Vista has Media Centre installed mixed with Sanity Music, Bigpond onDemand, Kodak etc (local based initiatives to start off with), I wonder what places like Harvey Norman are doing about this in terms of Home Entertainment Division (Especially thinking along the Zune Player track and the per month subscription model). Hang on, this is a bit of a jump. We're talking about home usage now? So home users should upgrade so that they can pay per-month fees for something for which they can currently buy a perpetual license. - Given that XBOX 360 also integrates quite snuggly with Windows Vista, what does that also mean for places like Harvey Norman. - Given that code base is easier to develop to for both PC and XBOX 360 at the same time, what do Game Developers think of both (could it be fair to argue that PC Game scene may also gain a surge in terms of marketshare alongside console). DirectX is a steaming pile of snot. ;) It's also currently my only reason to run Windows on a desktop. The Cedega [http://www.transgaming.com/] guys seem to be doing a sterling job of removing that necessity. I haven't signed up yet, but the thought of Half Life 2 on Linux kinda gives me tingles. As does removing XP from the last of my desktops it's installed on. - Given that you will be able to play (certain games of course) XBOX 360 against PC Gamer online (Vista) won't that be a compelling arguement (I'm a mouse man myself, not a console jokey). Not really. As far as I can tell they're trying to use the PC online community to kickstart the equivalent for the console. So, 5 years ago, Microsoft had around 50,621 employees, they gained 20551 there after, that and made more money and just released a significant milestone in its profile since the migration from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95... Do people still think that OSX is going to sufficate or that large businesses are going to move towards Linux or other. Do I think that businesses *are* going to move? No, not all at once. Do I think they should? Absolutely. More competition in the marketplace can only benefit we, the consumers. I keep hearing the X-platform argument a lot lately and I keep thinking are the numbers I'm seeing different to what the others are seeing? 2% of the worlds population is a fair whack of eyeballs don't get me wrong... but in contrast to the other piece... That being said, if you companyX have an employee who loses their
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
Yup. They may very well own the laptop market. Yet and another piece of tid bit, its been 5 years of silence in a sense from Microsoft regarding Operating System for average punter (XP was pretty much the last home user build OS. Windows 2002/2003 was more geared towards business grade users). So in 5 years, Apple has been pretty much on the money yeah? releasing all the fashionable hardware most love and enjoy (ie I use an iPod at work, and yes people heckle me for it). Now that 5 years on, Windows Vista is launched and a whole stack of things are behind it's launch (yet to make public debut), do you think Apple have enough traction to sustain that movement? (I don't know the answer) just it's worth noting ;) On 2/3/07, Andrew Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And another interesting fact is that Apple have increased their market share of the US laptop sector to 12% and it's still growing, just the facts. On 03/02/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *yawn* heard this one before, MS are evil, and something about Vader being my father or was that a different piece of fiction? Its the facts. Didn't say there were right, didn't say they were wrong, just the facts :) On 2/2/07, Tom Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Barnes wrote: Ok, Let's go to the numbers shall we as this will give hopefully a few of you an insight as to why I switched tracks over to MS and kind of kick the OSX argument in the butt. (Just the facts mam!) (Fiscal Year ending 2006) HeadCount World Wide: 71,172 Net Revenue: $44.28B (USD) Growth: 11% Net Income: $12.06B (USD) Growth: 3% Market Share (Source: OneStat.com) Windows: 97.46% Apple OSX: 01.43% Linux: 00.26% - BetaNews.com reported that 22% of Installs of Windows were Non-Genuine - That means that People are more inclined to commit piracy or become victims of piracy, before they'll touch Apple OSX (which isn't fair, as certain countries have poor economic backgrounds and therefore Piracy is easier and more likely to Occur - until now with Vista). That's one interpretation. Another is that Microsoft's monopolistic practises have removed choice from the market. - Microsoft will only continue to Support Windows XP for 5 years. And the fact that existing customers are left in the lurch is good reason to purchase another of their products? What's the support period for Vista? - Windows Vista has a minimum recommended specification (like XP once did etc). Which means folks with older machines will eventually need to upgrade ( like Windows XP days ). - Given that Upgrades are likely to occur, I wonder what HP, DELL, INTEL, Toshiba, ASUS etc are all going to say about that and whether they'll embrace the idea or prefer OSX gets installed? So businesses should buy-in, because they will be *forced* to purchase new hardware. Maybe I'm being unfair, your rhetorical question is rather open-ended. What *will* HP, Dell, Intel, Toshiba, Asus etc say about it? Surely you're not implying that they'll collude to restrict choice in the marketplace? - Given that certain versions of Windows Vista has Media Centre installed mixed with Sanity Music, Bigpond onDemand, Kodak etc (local based initiatives to start off with), I wonder what places like Harvey Norman are doing about this in terms of Home Entertainment Division (Especially thinking along the Zune Player track and the per month subscription model). Hang on, this is a bit of a jump. We're talking about home usage now? So home users should upgrade so that they can pay per-month fees for something for which they can currently buy a perpetual license. - Given that XBOX 360 also integrates quite snuggly with Windows Vista, what does that also mean for places like Harvey Norman. - Given that code base is easier to develop to for both PC and XBOX 360 at the same time, what do Game Developers think of both (could it be fair to argue that PC Game scene may also gain a surge in terms of marketshare alongside console). DirectX is a steaming pile of snot. ;) It's also currently my only reason to run Windows on a desktop. The Cedega [http://www.transgaming.com/] guys seem to be doing a sterling job of removing that necessity. I haven't signed up yet, but the thought of Half Life 2 on Linux kinda gives me tingles. As does removing XP from the last of my desktops it's installed on. - Given that you will be able to play (certain games of course) XBOX 360 against PC Gamer online (Vista) won't that be a compelling arguement (I'm a mouse man myself, not a console jokey). Not really. As far as I can tell they're trying to use the PC online community to kickstart the equivalent for the console.
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
love it! back to my mac i go... On 2/2/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lucas http://www.thebitbucket.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
I'm running Windows 3.11 here at the moment. How did we ever use this and get business done. I think i can make it run on my mobile (Sp5). On 2/2/07, Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: love it! back to my mac i go... On 2/2/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lucas http://www.thebitbucket.net -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: What version of Vista?
How about what hardware do you need to run Vista? http://blog.wired.com/cultofmac/2007/01/running_vista_o.html Funnily enough, Macs are great machines for running Vista. They're new, they're fast and they exceed Vista's demanding specs. They can even run OS X and Windows at the same time. On 02/02/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Andrew Muller http://www.webqem.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
