Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Reid Kleckner via cfe-commits]

I'm definitely in favor of efforts to defragment our many CI systems, but I
also don't want to stop people from doing more testing. :)

If AppVeyor is providing free testing resource to OSS projects, then great,
let's try using it and see how it goes.

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Mike Edwards via llvm-dev <
llvm-...@lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> Fragmentation of the bots is not ideal.  While I totally understand Eric's
> reasoning for doing so, and am delighted to see  another Windows bot
> helping to ensure quality code, I think this is a bit of a slippery slope.
> We already have the main Buildbots, Green Dragon, Chapuni's Bots, a myriad
> of private bots and now this new bot.  I don't think it is reasonable to
> ask people to have to visit several different places to check if their
> commit broke something.  Anecdotally, I find many people will only look at
> lab.llvm.org:8011.  They will check Green Dragon if they get an email and
> then only if the email does not get lost in the noise.  Some folks are
> regular users of bb.pgr.jp but the actual number or regular visitors I
> don't know.
>
> Perhaps it would be a more beneficial discussion to talk about putting
> together some type of portal which displays results from all the CI systems
> in one place?  I for one would love an interface which would be able to
> show any given commit and how is has performed across the board.  Something
> like this could possibly allow for anyone to stand up a bot or CI
> infrastructure of their choosing and then have that system integrated in a
> common reporting platform so it is useful and accessible to everyone.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Mike
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev <
> llvm-...@lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Mehdi Amini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Mehdi Amini 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:



 On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini 
 wrote:

> What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private
> usage?
>

 I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.



 I’m not sure it’d be OK to send blame email to contributors based on
 this though.

>>>
>>> I don't see why not (at least once the bot is stable). Can you elaborate?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t think there is a precedent for having a bot that does not
>>> checkout from SVN and email using the canonical SVN revision number.
>>>
>>
>> I understand share your concern about the emails using nonsensical git
>> hashes as opposed to SVN revision numbers.
>> Apart from that I have no idea why the version control used by the CI
>> matters. It should have to effect on the build or the results.
>>
>>
>> I don’t know, but other people may have other concern that I don’t
>> necessarily anticipate..
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So it does not seems like a given to me  (not that I’m against it) and
>>> would require a discussion on the mailing-list first IMO.
>>>
>>
>> We might as well continue having it now since it's been started. I'll
>> re-raise the issue in a month or so when the bot is
>> actually stable enough to consider sending emails.
>>
>>
>> I think it deserve a separate thread to deal with this, so that the
>> thread title help making sure no-one miss the discussion.
>>
>> —
>> Mehdi
>>
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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Mike Edwards via cfe-commits]

Hi,
Fragmentation of the bots is not ideal.  While I totally understand Eric's
reasoning for doing so, and am delighted to see  another Windows bot
helping to ensure quality code, I think this is a bit of a slippery slope.
We already have the main Buildbots, Green Dragon, Chapuni's Bots, a myriad
of private bots and now this new bot.  I don't think it is reasonable to
ask people to have to visit several different places to check if their
commit broke something.  Anecdotally, I find many people will only look at
lab.llvm.org:8011.  They will check Green Dragon if they get an email and
then only if the email does not get lost in the noise.  Some folks are
regular users of bb.pgr.jp but the actual number or regular visitors I
don't know.

Perhaps it would be a more beneficial discussion to talk about putting
together some type of portal which displays results from all the CI systems
in one place?  I for one would love an interface which would be able to
show any given commit and how is has performed across the board.  Something
like this could possibly allow for anyone to stand up a bot or CI
infrastructure of their choosing and then have that system integrated in a
common reporting platform so it is useful and accessible to everyone.

Thoughts?

-Mike

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev <
llvm-...@lists.llvm.org> wrote:

>
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Mehdi Amini 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Mehdi Amini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private
 usage?

>>>
>>> I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not sure it’d be OK to send blame email to contributors based on
>>> this though.
>>>
>>
>> I don't see why not (at least once the bot is stable). Can you elaborate?
>>
>>
>> I don’t think there is a precedent for having a bot that does not
>> checkout from SVN and email using the canonical SVN revision number.
>>
>
> I understand share your concern about the emails using nonsensical git
> hashes as opposed to SVN revision numbers.
> Apart from that I have no idea why the version control used by the CI
> matters. It should have to effect on the build or the results.
>
>
> I don’t know, but other people may have other concern that I don’t
> necessarily anticipate..
>
>
>
>>
>> So it does not seems like a given to me  (not that I’m against it) and
>> would require a discussion on the mailing-list first IMO.
>>
>
> We might as well continue having it now since it's been started. I'll
> re-raise the issue in a month or so when the bot is
> actually stable enough to consider sending emails.
>
>
> I think it deserve a separate thread to deal with this, so that the thread
> title help making sure no-one miss the discussion.
>
> —
> Mehdi
>
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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Mehdi Amini via cfe-commits]

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Mehdi Amini  > wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Eric Fiselier > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Mehdi Amini > > wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Eric Fiselier >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini >> > wrote:
>>> What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private usage? 
>>> 
>>> I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.
>> 
>> 
>> I’m not sure it’d be OK to send blame email to contributors based on this 
>> though.
>> 
>> I don't see why not (at least once the bot is stable). Can you elaborate?
> 
> I don’t think there is a precedent for having a bot that does not checkout 
> from SVN and email using the canonical SVN revision number.
> 
> I understand share your concern about the emails using nonsensical git hashes 
> as opposed to SVN revision numbers.
> Apart from that I have no idea why the version control used by the CI 
> matters. It should have to effect on the build or the results.

I don’t know, but other people may have other concern that I don’t necessarily 
anticipate.. 

>  
> 
> So it does not seems like a given to me  (not that I’m against it) and would 
> require a discussion on the mailing-list first IMO.
> 
> We might as well continue having it now since it's been started. I'll 
> re-raise the issue in a month or so when the bot is
> actually stable enough to consider sending emails.

I think it deserve a separate thread to deal with this, so that the thread 
title help making sure no-one miss the discussion.

— 
Mehdi

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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Eric Fiselier via cfe-commits]

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Mehdi Amini  wrote:

>
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Mehdi Amini 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private
>>> usage?
>>>
>>
>> I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure it’d be OK to send blame email to contributors based on this
>> though.
>>
>
> I don't see why not (at least once the bot is stable). Can you elaborate?
>
>
> I don’t think there is a precedent for having a bot that does not checkout
> from SVN and email using the canonical SVN revision number.
>

I understand share your concern about the emails using nonsensical git
hashes as opposed to SVN revision numbers.
Apart from that I have no idea why the version control used by the CI
matters. It should have to effect on the build or the results.


>
> So it does not seems like a given to me  (not that I’m against it) and
> would require a discussion on the mailing-list first IMO.
>

We might as well continue having it now since it's been started. I'll
re-raise the issue in a month or so when the bot is
actually stable enough to consider sending emails.


>
> —
> Mehdi
>
>
>
>
>
> /Eric
>
>
>> —
>> Mehdi
>>
>>
>>
>> Otherwise having “project' bots” using a non-official mirror may sound
>>> like a strange situation to me.
>>>
>>
>> I agree it isn't ideal, but when/if LLVM moves to github it will be
>> trivial to re-configure for the official repositories.
>> I considered a number of other ways to setup Appveyor but I concluded
>> this was the best/easiest way to do it.
>> The other options I considered for configuring Appveyor are:
>>
>> (1) Use the official LLVM github mirrors.
>>
>> This has the issue of requiring the implementation of custom Git
>> webhooks, which would require
>> modifying and maintaining changes to the existing LLVM Git
>> infrastructure, which in itself
>> would require getting access to the LLVM servers to make the changes.
>>
>> (2) Setup my own ever more unofficial github mirror
>>
>> This has all the same problems as using the existing github mirrors but
>> it requires
>> me to configure and maintain my own mirror, which is non-trivial.
>>
>> (3) Don't use Appveyor at all
>>
>> This requires finding Windows hardware to host the bots, which is the
>> main reason
>> I chose Appveyor to begin with. Even if hardware was available I would
>> prefer using
>> Appveyor since it provides more dominion over the environment than I think
>> donated hardware could.
>>
>> /Eric
>>
>>
>>> —
>>> Mehdi
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Eric Fiselier via llvm-dev <
>>> llvm-...@lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Adding cfe-dev list...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Will,

 I would like to request collaborator permissions for the Libc++ github
 mirror.

 I plan to use the access to setup Appveyor buildbots for libc++. In
 order to do this I need to be listed as a collaborator on Github.

 The alternative to Github access would be setting up the correct
 webhooks for llvm.org/git/libcxx.git, but this seems harder to both do
 and maintain.

 /Eric

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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Mehdi Amini via cfe-commits]

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Mehdi Amini  > wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Eric Fiselier > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini > > wrote:
>> What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private usage? 
>> 
>> I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.
> 
> 
> I’m not sure it’d be OK to send blame email to contributors based on this 
> though.
> 
> I don't see why not (at least once the bot is stable). Can you elaborate?

I don’t think there is a precedent for having a bot that does not checkout from 
SVN and email using the canonical SVN revision number.

So it does not seems like a given to me  (not that I’m against it) and would 
require a discussion on the mailing-list first IMO.

— 
Mehdi




>  
> /Eric
> 
> 
> — 
> Mehdi
> 
> 
>> 
>> Otherwise having “project' bots” using a non-official mirror may sound like 
>> a strange situation to me.
>> 
>> I agree it isn't ideal, but when/if LLVM moves to github it will be trivial 
>> to re-configure for the official repositories.
>> I considered a number of other ways to setup Appveyor but I concluded this 
>> was the best/easiest way to do it.
>> The other options I considered for configuring Appveyor are:
>> 
>> (1) Use the official LLVM github mirrors.
>>  
>> This has the issue of requiring the implementation of custom Git webhooks, 
>> which would require
>> modifying and maintaining changes to the existing LLVM Git infrastructure, 
>> which in itself
>> would require getting access to the LLVM servers to make the changes.
>> 
>> (2) Setup my own ever more unofficial github mirror 
>> 
>> This has all the same problems as using the existing github mirrors but it 
>> requires
>> me to configure and maintain my own mirror, which is non-trivial.
>> 
>> (3) Don't use Appveyor at all
>> 
>> This requires finding Windows hardware to host the bots, which is the main 
>> reason
>> I chose Appveyor to begin with. Even if hardware was available I would 
>> prefer using
>> Appveyor since it provides more dominion over the environment than I think
>> donated hardware could.
>> 
>> /Eric
>> 
>> 
>> — 
>> Mehdi
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Eric Fiselier via llvm-dev 
>>> mailto:llvm-...@lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Adding cfe-dev list...
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Fiselier >> > wrote:
>>> Hi Will,
>>> 
>>> I would like to request collaborator permissions for the Libc++ github 
>>> mirror.
>>> 
>>> I plan to use the access to setup Appveyor buildbots for libc++. In order 
>>> to do this I need to be listed as a collaborator on Github. 
>>> 
>>> The alternative to Github access would be setting up the correct webhooks 
>>> for llvm.org/git/libcxx.git , but this 
>>> seems harder to both do and maintain.
>>> 
>>> /Eric
>>> 
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>> 
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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Eric Fiselier via cfe-commits]

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Mehdi Amini  wrote:

>
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini 
> wrote:
>
>> What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private
>> usage?
>>
>
> I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure it’d be OK to send blame email to contributors based on this
> though.
>

I don't see why not (at least once the bot is stable). Can you elaborate?

/Eric


> —
> Mehdi
>
>
>
> Otherwise having “project' bots” using a non-official mirror may sound
>> like a strange situation to me.
>>
>
> I agree it isn't ideal, but when/if LLVM moves to github it will be
> trivial to re-configure for the official repositories.
> I considered a number of other ways to setup Appveyor but I concluded this
> was the best/easiest way to do it.
> The other options I considered for configuring Appveyor are:
>
> (1) Use the official LLVM github mirrors.
>
> This has the issue of requiring the implementation of custom Git webhooks,
> which would require
> modifying and maintaining changes to the existing LLVM Git infrastructure,
> which in itself
> would require getting access to the LLVM servers to make the changes.
>
> (2) Setup my own ever more unofficial github mirror
>
> This has all the same problems as using the existing github mirrors but it
> requires
> me to configure and maintain my own mirror, which is non-trivial.
>
> (3) Don't use Appveyor at all
>
> This requires finding Windows hardware to host the bots, which is the main
> reason
> I chose Appveyor to begin with. Even if hardware was available I would
> prefer using
> Appveyor since it provides more dominion over the environment than I think
> donated hardware could.
>
> /Eric
>
>
>> —
>> Mehdi
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Eric Fiselier via llvm-dev <
>> llvm-...@lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Adding cfe-dev list...
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Will,
>>>
>>> I would like to request collaborator permissions for the Libc++ github
>>> mirror.
>>>
>>> I plan to use the access to setup Appveyor buildbots for libc++. In
>>> order to do this I need to be listed as a collaborator on Github.
>>>
>>> The alternative to Github access would be setting up the correct
>>> webhooks for llvm.org/git/libcxx.git, but this seems harder to both do
>>> and maintain.
>>>
>>> /Eric
>>>
>>
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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Mehdi Amini via cfe-commits]

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:39 AM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini  > wrote:
> What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private usage? 
> 
> I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.


I’m not sure it’d be OK to send blame email to contributors based on this 
though.

— 
Mehdi


> 
> Otherwise having “project' bots” using a non-official mirror may sound like a 
> strange situation to me.
> 
> I agree it isn't ideal, but when/if LLVM moves to github it will be trivial 
> to re-configure for the official repositories.
> I considered a number of other ways to setup Appveyor but I concluded this 
> was the best/easiest way to do it.
> The other options I considered for configuring Appveyor are:
> 
> (1) Use the official LLVM github mirrors.
>  
> This has the issue of requiring the implementation of custom Git webhooks, 
> which would require
> modifying and maintaining changes to the existing LLVM Git infrastructure, 
> which in itself
> would require getting access to the LLVM servers to make the changes.
> 
> (2) Setup my own ever more unofficial github mirror 
> 
> This has all the same problems as using the existing github mirrors but it 
> requires
> me to configure and maintain my own mirror, which is non-trivial.
> 
> (3) Don't use Appveyor at all
> 
> This requires finding Windows hardware to host the bots, which is the main 
> reason
> I chose Appveyor to begin with. Even if hardware was available I would prefer 
> using
> Appveyor since it provides more dominion over the environment than I think
> donated hardware could.
> 
> /Eric
> 
> 
> — 
> Mehdi
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Eric Fiselier via llvm-dev 
>> mailto:llvm-...@lists.llvm.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Adding cfe-dev list...
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Fiselier > > wrote:
>> Hi Will,
>> 
>> I would like to request collaborator permissions for the Libc++ github 
>> mirror.
>> 
>> I plan to use the access to setup Appveyor buildbots for libc++. In order to 
>> do this I need to be listed as a collaborator on Github. 
>> 
>> The alternative to Github access would be setting up the correct webhooks 
>> for llvm.org/git/libcxx.git , but this seems 
>> harder to both do and maintain.
>> 
>> /Eric
>> 
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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Eric Fiselier via cfe-commits]

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Mehdi Amini  wrote:

> What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private usage?
>

I intend for them to be public Windows buildbots for libc++.

Otherwise having “project' bots” using a non-official mirror may sound like
> a strange situation to me.
>

I agree it isn't ideal, but when/if LLVM moves to github it will be trivial
to re-configure for the official repositories.
I considered a number of other ways to setup Appveyor but I concluded this
was the best/easiest way to do it.
The other options I considered for configuring Appveyor are:

(1) Use the official LLVM github mirrors.

This has the issue of requiring the implementation of custom Git webhooks,
which would require
modifying and maintaining changes to the existing LLVM Git infrastructure,
which in itself
would require getting access to the LLVM servers to make the changes.

(2) Setup my own ever more unofficial github mirror

This has all the same problems as using the existing github mirrors but it
requires
me to configure and maintain my own mirror, which is non-trivial.

(3) Don't use Appveyor at all

This requires finding Windows hardware to host the bots, which is the main
reason
I chose Appveyor to begin with. Even if hardware was available I would
prefer using
Appveyor since it provides more dominion over the environment than I think
donated hardware could.

/Eric


> —
> Mehdi
>
> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Eric Fiselier via llvm-dev <
> llvm-...@lists.llvm.org> wrote:
>
> Adding cfe-dev list...
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Fiselier  wrote:
>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>> I would like to request collaborator permissions for the Libc++ github
>> mirror.
>>
>> I plan to use the access to setup Appveyor buildbots for libc++. In order
>> to do this I need to be listed as a collaborator on Github.
>>
>> The alternative to Github access would be setting up the correct webhooks
>> for llvm.org/git/libcxx.git, but this seems harder to both do and
>> maintain.
>>
>> /Eric
>>
>
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Re: [llvm-dev] Permissions for llvm-mirror - Setting up Libc++ Appveyor builders

[Mehdi Amini via cfe-commits]

What would be the status of these buildbots? Is it for your private usage? 
Otherwise having “project' bots” using a non-official mirror may sound like a 
strange situation to me.

— 
Mehdi

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Eric Fiselier via llvm-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> Adding cfe-dev list...
> 
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Eric Fiselier  > wrote:
> Hi Will,
> 
> I would like to request collaborator permissions for the Libc++ github mirror.
> 
> I plan to use the access to setup Appveyor buildbots for libc++. In order to 
> do this I need to be listed as a collaborator on Github. 
> 
> The alternative to Github access would be setting up the correct webhooks for 
> llvm.org/git/libcxx.git , but this seems 
> harder to both do and maintain.
> 
> /Eric
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