On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And why would you prefer a little bit of every toolkit, as opposed to
picking 1 toolkit and doing a good job wrapping all its functionality?
If you target every toolkit out there, then it'll be capable of very
little. Too trivial for
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 09:02:36AM +0100, felix winkelmann wrote:
On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And why would you prefer a little bit of every toolkit, as opposed to
picking 1 toolkit and doing a good job wrapping all its functionality?
If you target every toolkit
On 2/5/07, felix winkelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another option would be to create a GC root (CHICKEN_new_gc_root)
and keep it on the C-side (you have to pass the argument string as
a scheme-object, then create the GC-root from it). Later, you can
access the gc root (CHICKEN_gc_root_ref) and
On 2/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Binding Qt takes too much time, Qt is a big dependency for those who
prefer Gnomish desktops, Qt is too large for some systems. Qt is also quite
slow. Qt is proprietary.
What about Gtk+?
Not fully ported to Mac OS X, not really
felix winkelmann wrote:
Again, this shouldn't be the mother of all GUIs - just a basic layer
to get
work done with.
Well, that's the thing though. You imagine your needs are simple, and
so does the next guy, and so does the next guy. But you don't have the
same needs, and pretty soon
On 2/5/07, felix winkelmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sufficiently big). An alternative is to create a suitably sized
byte-vector beforehand
(in Scheme, using the heap) and copying the data inside a block of foreign
code (or use move-memory!).
Ah! I didn't know move-memory existed. This is
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
And it needs to run at
maximum efficiency at every scale of device.
Why? Microsoft owns most of the world and doesn't share your passion
here. I've gone bankrupt on premature optimization. I'm wondering
where you think you'll get the support resources for such a
I don't need a super GUI. I just want some portable means of creating
basic, simple GUIs (call them toys, if you want). Add a basic 2D graphics
API, you can then create all the widgets in the world.
I agree with this point. The bare minimum is a framebuffer with some
drawing routines; I've
On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
felix winkelmann wrote:
Again, this shouldn't be the mother of all GUIs - just a basic layer
to get
work done with.
Well, that's the thing though. You imagine your needs are simple, and
so does the next guy, and so does the next guy.
I'm considering the pros and cons of this, but I am with Felix in the
belief that a simple, Schemish basic GUI layer design is desirable.
It shouldn't require Qt or Gtk, which are both on the heavy end of GUI
toolkits. Instead it should provide a layer that works on top of
whatever GUI tools are
felix winkelmann wrote:
On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And why would you prefer a little bit of every toolkit, as opposed to
picking 1 toolkit and doing a good job wrapping all its functionality?
If you target every toolkit out there, then it'll be capable of very
On 2/5/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Binding Qt takes too much time, Qt is a big dependency for those who
prefer Gnomish desktops, Qt is too large for some systems. Qt is also quite
slow. Qt is proprietary.
It runs on high-end phones and PDAs. It is not terribly proprietary
Tony Sidaway wrote:
I'm considering the pros and cons of this, but I am with Felix in the
belief that a simple, Schemish basic GUI layer design is desirable.
It shouldn't require Qt or Gtk, which are both on the heavy end of GUI
toolkits. Instead it should provide a layer that works on top of
felix winkelmann wrote:
Qt is the highest quality toolkit available, yet its overkill for most
things.
It does have good marketing, though...
You're big on embedding. Does any GUI toolkit not suck at embedding?
In any language?
Cheers,
Brandon Van Every
On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you write your own huge GUI project from scratch, you still have a
huge glob of code that is constantly out of date. The question is
whether you have a large number of people working on the problem.
Leveraging an entire mature
On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
And it needs to run at
maximum efficiency at every scale of device.
Why? Microsoft owns most of the world and doesn't share your passion
here. I've gone bankrupt on premature optimization. I'm wondering
where
On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
felix winkelmann wrote:
Qt is the highest quality toolkit available, yet its overkill for most
things.
It does have good marketing, though...
You're big on embedding. Does any GUI toolkit not suck at embedding?
In any language?
Hi all,
[snip]
If I had a simple, GUI toolkit running on Linux, OS X and Windows, binds
native widgets, has a simple basic graphics API (OpenGL would be ideal),
is smaller than 1-2 MB,
provides text-editing (multiline), buttons, images, frames, checkboxes,
and a couple more widgets, simple
felix winkelmann wrote:
If I had a simple, GUI toolkit running on Linux, OS X and Windows, binds
native widgets,
Why native widgets? What's important about that? As a game developer,
this fetish has been very difficult for me to relate to. Games all want
to distinguish how they look,
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On 2/5/07, Brandon J. Van Every [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
And it needs to run at
maximum efficiency at every scale of device.
Why? Microsoft owns most of the world and doesn't share your passion
here. I've gone bankrupt on premature optimization.
Tony Sidaway wrote:
[...]
My current thought is this: In step 1, I pass the library a key (in
static memory, not heap) which I associate with the port (I place the
actual port in a srfi-69 hash table under that key). On receiving the
key, in stage 2, my write procedure (which would ideally
On 2/5/07, minh thu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
About the API. You'd like to go opengl-style, right (stateful or
stateless ?) ? What about a xhtml/css/javascript style ? I mean, of
course, everything in Scheme but with content/presentation/logic
separated... Otherwise, it would be the classical
Hello,
What a good tutorial! Thank you for taking your time and effort for
developing illustrative tutorial examples and for presenting all this.
[begin quote]
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
xml:lang=en lang=en
...
/html
(html (@ (xmlns http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;)
Brandon J. Van Every scripsit:
Well, that's the thing though. You imagine your needs are simple, and
so does the next guy, and so does the next guy. But you don't have the
same needs, and pretty soon you've reinvented the mother of all GUIs.
With all the bugs. What's magical about your
John Cowan wrote:
[...]
If you want a small stable toolkit, use Tk. It's not sexy and earlier
versions didn't have native LF, but it works. Best yet, we already
have an egg for it.
[...]
Hello,
I vote against Tk, because in my humble opinion
* Tk is not a small toolkit and it bloats
What's up here?
I have a Scheme string that I want to send to a C library. The
library will remember its location and so I want it to be in static
memory, so I use object_evict and send the result of object-evict to
the library as a c-string argument to a foreign-lambda. The library
now knows
Thomas Christian Chust wrote:
I vote against Tk, because in my humble opinion
I vote against Tk, for all the aforementioned reasons, and an additional
one: it is perceived as old crap. It will not attract people to the
Chicken project. In fact, that kind of design is likely to drive
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 01:55:46PM +0300, Dmitry Lizorkin wrote:
Hello,
What a good tutorial! Thank you for taking your time and effort for
developing illustrative tutorial examples and for presenting all this.
Thank you! I found the existing documentation to be severely lacking.
It isn't
This is the crux of it.
$ cat testevict.scm
(use lolevel)
(define (myalloc size)
(printf Requested ~S byte\n size)
(let ((obj (allocate size)))
(printf ~S\n obj)
obj))
(define getmem (foreign-lambda* void ((c-string ptr)) printf (\ptr =
%p\\n\, ptr);))
(define s A string)
(define e
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On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:47 AM, felix winkelmann wrote:
On 2/5/07, minh thu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
About the API. You'd like to go opengl-style, right (stateful or
stateless ?) ? What about a xhtml/css/javascript style ? I mean, of
course,
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Hi,
Just a note to let you know I modified the sxml-tools egg. Nothing
momentous, just adding import/export support making sure 'syntax'
files are only syntax.
Best Wishes,
Kon
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On 2/5/07, Thomas Christian Chust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Tk is not a small toolkit and it bloats your applications even more
because you need a second scripting runtime -- Tcl or Perl -- to use
it. I find that only acceptable if I'm programming in Tcl or Perl
anyway.
* Tk is not very
On 2/6/07, Kon Lovett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do like Cells, but I am unsure if Tilton is still working on Cello.
It seems dormant. A TinyCLOS Cells extension would be nice (so would
ContextL but Cells might be more generally useful).
I've never grokked cells. It's hard to figure out the
On 2/6/07, Tony Sidaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the crux of it.
$ cat testevict.scm
(use lolevel)
(define (myalloc size)
(printf Requested ~S byte\n size)
(let ((obj (allocate size)))
(printf ~S\n obj)
obj))
(define getmem (foreign-lambda* void ((c-string ptr)) printf
Hello,
i'm having trouble using the awk macro and syntax-case at the same time.
Whenever i use an awk-macro and just load syntax-case (via
require-extension) chicken complains about an unbound variable somewhere
deep in the expanded code.
I've attached a small code snippet to demonstrate this.
On 2/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I noticed that when i require syntax-case first it works.
Is this some kind of bug or do i allways have to load syntax-case before
something which utilises some sort of macro transformer itself?
Hi, Tim!
The problem is that extensions
On 2/5/07, Graham Fawcett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi folks,
I've had a very strange experience with the following piece of code,
which is supposed to run a scheduled-task every twelve hours, and
clean up stale sessions from a session-table:
(define *stale-session-monitor* #f)
(define
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