Re: [Chicken-users] Building Chicken Scheme for Android
Hi Alan, That's interesting. I'm not sure I understand though, how useful having an on-device compiler environment would be. Whenever you distribute your apps, binaries are all bundled in, so you don't need it for your end-users. And during development, you're in front of your computer which cross-compiles significantly faster than your phone. This is, of course, if you're actually planning on writing an app. If you wanna just goof around on your command-line and try different system calls or talk to your phone kernel, maybe you're right. If you just compile a C file an run it on your phone, you can check out how the csi binaryhttps://github.com/kristianlm/chicken-android/blob/master/csi.mk is built. The building sectionhttps://github.com/kristianlm/chicken-android#building describes how you can place this on your phone and run (I don't recall if this actually requires root access). This is with the ndk still. TinyCC for ARM sounds like fun, but for compatibility, I'd stick with the official NDK! Cheers, K. On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Alan Post alanp...@sunflowerriver.orgwrote: Off topic, but I've played with several mobile devices and none of them have ever really 'stuck.' I wind up back on my laptop happier than I was when I wandered away. After enough of these experiences, I came to realize that not having a C compiler+native development environment was the common denominator in my negative experiences. Now I've been seeing more and more android stuff, and wondering whether one of these devices is going to fall in my lap, so I ask: can you get a C compiler and native development environment on these devices? What does that look like compared to what you've got here? Thank you, -Alan On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 03:10:29PM +0200, Kristian Lein-Mathisen wrote: Hi guys, I just thought I'd point out I've started a build-system for getting Chicken Scheme runtime running on Android. You can take a peek here:**[1]https://github.com/kristianlm/chicken-android. Note that it only builds the runtime system (you generally don't have a C compiler on your Android device). I did not plug into Chicken's existing build system because the Android NDK build-system is tricky, and the general recommendation is to stick with 'ndk-build' rather than patching up existing makefiles. Additionally, it makes it easier to embedd the Chicken into existing Android projects. K. References Visible links 1. https://github.com/kristianlm/chicken-android ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users -- .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
[Chicken-users] Building Chicken Scheme for Android
Hi guys, I just thought I'd point out I've started a build-system for getting Chicken Scheme runtime running on Android. You can take a peek here: https://github.com/kristianlm/chicken-android. Note that it only builds the runtime system (you generally don't have a C compiler on your Android device). I did not plug into Chicken's existing build system because the Android NDK build-system is tricky, and the general recommendation is to stick with 'ndk-build' rather than patching up existing makefiles. Additionally, it makes it easier to embedd the Chicken into existing Android projects. K. ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Building Chicken Scheme for Android
Off topic, but I've played with several mobile devices and none of them have ever really 'stuck.' I wind up back on my laptop happier than I was when I wandered away. After enough of these experiences, I came to realize that not having a C compiler+native development environment was the common denominator in my negative experiences. Now I've been seeing more and more android stuff, and wondering whether one of these devices is going to fall in my lap, so I ask: can you get a C compiler and native development environment on these devices? What does that look like compared to what you've got here? Thank you, -Alan On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 03:10:29PM +0200, Kristian Lein-Mathisen wrote: Hi guys, I just thought I'd point out I've started a build-system for getting Chicken Scheme runtime running on Android. You can take a peek here:**[1]https://github.com/kristianlm/chicken-android. Note that it only builds the runtime system (you generally don't have a C compiler on your Android device). I did not plug into Chicken's existing build system because the Android NDK build-system is tricky, and the general recommendation is to stick with 'ndk-build' rather than patching up existing makefiles. Additionally, it makes it easier to embedd the Chicken into existing Android projects. K. References Visible links 1. https://github.com/kristianlm/chicken-android ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users -- .i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Building Chicken Scheme for Android
Hi Alan, * Alan Post alanp...@sunflowerriver.org [121001 16:15]: Off topic, but I've played with several mobile devices and none of them have ever really 'stuck.' I wind up back on my laptop happier than I was when I wandered away. After enough of these experiences, I came to realize that not having a C compiler+native development environment was the common denominator in my negative experiences. Now I've been seeing more and more android stuff, and wondering whether one of these devices is going to fall in my lap, so I ask: can you get a C compiler and native development environment on these devices? That depends on whether you have got fully control over the device. If you have, there is no reason why you shouldn't install a toolchain on your phone. Under the hood there is a linux kernel running with a little odd userland but you can do the same things as on any regular linux. If your vendor does not want you to have full access to your device things look a bit more dim... What does that look like compared to what you've got here? What Kristian has done is integrating chicken scheme with the google maintained cross compilation toolchain so you can compile chicken for your phone (and your apps) on your host. Kind regards, Christian -- Be right back -- Godot. ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Building Chicken Scheme for Android
On 1 October 2012 16:15, Alan Post alanp...@sunflowerriver.org wrote: Off topic, but I've played with several mobile devices and none of them have ever really 'stuck.' I wind up back on my laptop happier than I was when I wandered away. After enough of these experiences, I came to realize that not having a C compiler+native development environment was the common denominator in my negative experiences. Now I've been seeing more and more android stuff, and wondering whether one of these devices is going to fall in my lap, so I ask: can you get a C compiler and native development environment on these devices? I was thinking of that too. In fact, tcc (tiny c compiler) now has an arm port, and there is cdroid in the app store which apparently bundles it into some kind of IDE. It's not free so I didn't try it yet. But I've been farting around with android, so maybe could try to build tcc myself. After following the process here http://source.android.com/source/ one not only has a system image (which I didn't actually flash on my phone, since I like cyanogenmod well enough) but also the cross-compiler, includes, set of libraries to link against, etc. So it should be possible to build anything. But what you build will not be terribly portable, since the libs can change between android versions. If you instead build with NDK (native development kit), in theory the result will be portable, but maybe the exposed APIs aren't rich enough for some purposes. Then I was thinking maybe with an Android version of icecream, compiling could even be fast, if you have a bunch of other arm thingies on the same network (phones, raspberry pi's, routers, gumstix, whatever). But the compiler would have to be portable enough. However I think maybe the future is to have a Scheme which uses llvm to implement a compiler that works on multiple platforms. When Java was new, I thought its main value would end up being a common VM, with lots of languages being ported to it. That's true to an extent, but it's even nicer that LLVM seems to cover intermediate form, a portable bytecode format, standardized optimizations, and backends to generate native code for multiple platforms. So whether you want to run portable bytecode, JIT it or pre-compile it, there is a way, and it's not such a black box. ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
