Re: [ChurchillChat] Trump and Churchill by Nick Adams

[pollocklee]

The "most helpful" review on Amazon is this one-star one. I read it when it was 
published and have to say that even admirers of the President will find this 
book embarassing and trivial. (Plus there's very little actual Churchill in 
it...) 


https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3B227BHMUJV3U/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8=1642934690
 

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From: "ROGER PENCE"  
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 8:52:21 PM 
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Trump and Churchill by Nick Adams 


I'm wondering if anyone has read this recent book by a young Australian 
immigrant named Nick Adams? Fans of our president have had some positive things 
to say, but I somehow sense it's not really a work of much scholarship. 


I regularly add to my Churchill bookshelf (most recently Erik Larson's The 
Splendid and The Vile) but I'm hesitant to add the Adams book without some 
vouching from the eminent Churchillians on this list. 



Thank you 
-Roger Pence- 
Edmonds, WA 
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Re: [ChurchillChat] The St. Augustine River War

[pollocklee]

Dave - 


Thanks for your message and for "taking a shot" at the publication date of The 
River War. 


Obviously, the St. Augustine's Press website has not been updated and I will 
have ask them to do so this week. 


More importantly, I have recently been in touch with Prof. Muller who reports 
that he has completed the text and is currently working on the Index, which 
alone is, as you surely know, a major task, involving hundreds of entries. He 
hopes to have that done in the next couple of months at which point the whole 
work can be submitted to the publisher. 


St. Augustine can't publish until the completed manuscript is submitted and 
thus any complaint about the date (apart from their inaccurate website) is more 
logically addressed to Prof. Muller. However before anyone does that, it should 
remembered that Jim has selflessly devoted years of his life and a great deal 
of blood, toil, etc. towards the completion of this and his other Churchill 
works. He knows that that The River War has taken a long time and understands 
that his original estimates of the timing were too optimistic. He is 
nevertheless dedicated to ensuring the the new edition, a work that will stand 
for decades to come, is published. 


There is no one who has worked more diligently and longer, for very modest 
compensation, to preserve Churchill's work than Jim and his efforts should be 
applauded and encouraged by all of us. The International Churchill Society has 
helped to support Jim's work over the years, most recently enabling him to hire 
a research assistant to work on the Index. If any member of this group would 
like to assist with this, our address is: P.O. Box 58279, Washington, DC 20037. 
Any contributions will go directly to Jim's work on this project. 


The interest of members of this group is appreciated and I will be sure to 
update you further in future. 


Thank you. 


Lee Pollock 
The International Churchill Society 
lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org 


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From: "'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat"  
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 7:07:39 PM 
Subject: [ChurchillChat] The St. Augustine River War Chimera 



Peter, 

Since nobody else has picked up on your question, I’ll take a shot at it, 
having been an erstwhile troublemaker on this topic. 

In the last communication I had with Bruce Fingerhut of the St. Augustine 
Press, on 10/24/2016, I said: 

“I note that your website still shows a publication date of September 2016 for 
Jim Muller’s annotated edition of Churchill’s ‘The River War’... While I 
realise that you will keep putting out nonsense publication dates, do you think 
you could at least have the decency to stop referring to Lady Soames as 
‘Churchill’s only surviving child”. She has been dead for well over two years. 
Perhaps you were not aware of this”. 

I received the following response: 

“I am well aware of Lady Soames’s death two years ago, though not aware that 
“only surviving child” was mentioned on our website. We have been working on 
this project for over ten years, and it is almost complete. In the next two or 
three weeks, I will know exactly when it will finally appear . . . most 
certainly not until sometime in early 2017”. 

In checking the St. Augustine website today, I note that the publication date 
is now given as January 2018. And that Lady Soames is still referred to as 
“Churchill’s only surviving child”. 

https://www.staugustine.net/our-books/books/the-river-war/ 

In all honesty, Peter, I think we have to give up on the appearance of this 
edition. It seems clear that St. Augustine have already done so. 

Perhaps Hillsdale could be persuaded to wrest the content from St. Augustine 
and continue their magnificent service in presenting Churchill to the world. 
They, at least, are honest in their communications. 

Dave 



From: 'Peter D. Wrobel' via ChurchillChat 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:32 PM 
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The Churchill Documents and Future Projects 

Speaking of long term projects, does anyone have an update on when the new 
edition of The River War is expected? Thanks. 



Peter Wrobel. 

Sent from my iPhone XS Max 




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Re: [ChurchillChat] Newberry Library in Chicago Churchill Seminar ! Starts Feb 2019

[pollocklee]

I know Frank Biletz (a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in British history 
who teaches at Loyola University in Chicago) and took some classes from him 
about ten years ago. He is a good teacher and knowledgeable about Churchill and 
I'd recommend this course to anyone in the area. 

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From: "George K. Davis"  
To: "ChurchillChat"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:42:04 PM 
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Newberry Library in Chicago Churchill Seminar ! Starts 
Feb 2019 


Churchill and the Second World War 





Led by Frank Biletz. Ten sessions, 10 am - noon 


Saturday, February 23, 2019 


Saturdays, February 23 – May 4 (class will not meet on March 23) 



10 am - noon 


Cost and Registration Information 

Early Registration Price (January 8 at 9 am** – January 25 at 4 pm): $300 
Regular Registration Price (January 25 at 4 pm – first day of class): $330 
** Registration opens online at 9 am. Phone registration will be accepted 
starting at 10 am. 
Members, seniors, and students get a 10% discount. 
Register Online Seminar Description 

Winston Churchill’s extraordinary leadership of Britain during its “darkest 
hour” and through the ultimately victorious campaigns of the Second World War 
will be the subject of this seminar. Topics will include Churchill’s opposition 
to appeasement at the Munich Conference; the fall of France; the “finest hour” 
of the RAF during the Battle of Britain; the Blitz; relationships with Franklin 
Roosevelt and Josef Stalin; the D-Day landings at Normandy; the liberation of 
France; and the shaping of the post-war world. 
Ten sessions. E - $300, L - $330 
Frank A. Biletz received his PhD in history from the University of Chicago, 
with a primary specialization in modern British and Irish history. He is 
currently an adjunct instructor of history at Loyola University Chicago. He has 
been teaching seminars at the Newberry since 1994. Materials List 

Required: 

* Winston S. Churchill, Memoirs of the Second World War , Houghton Mifflin, 
1987 reprint. ISBN: 978-0395599686 


First Reading: 

* Because of the length of Winston Churchill’s Memoirs of the Second World 
War , participants are advised to get as much of a head start as possible 
before the seminar begins. At a minimum, participants should read Book I, 
chapters 1 to 11 before the first class meeting. 


This class is part of the Newberry’s Adult Education Seminars Program . Learn 
more about our registration procedur 
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Darkest Hour

[pollocklee]

I believe the line about the English language was originally by Edward R. 
Murrow but was used by Pres. Kennedy in his remarks at the White House ceremony 
for Churchill's honorary citizenship in April 1963, so it's often attributed to 
him. (He didn't reference Murrow but I suppose Presidents can say whatever they 
want.) 

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From: "Jonathan Hayes"  
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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:58:26 AM 
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Darkest Hour 

My loving wife does lots of nice things for me and one of the latest was to 
drag me to "Darkest Hour". I really enjoyed it!! Some comments: after the first 
scene where we see Churchill ranting against the typewriter noise, we STILL 
hear the typewriter noise in subsequent scenes, although we all know he 
insisted on a silent typewriter. Halifax's last comment at the end "he 
mobilized the English language and sent it into battle" - wasn't that by 
President Kennedy? 
There have been comments about Churchill's foray onto the Tube - yes, it would 
have been totally out of character, but something like that was cinematically 
necessary, as with the King's visit to demonstrate that the country wanted to 
fight and not surrender. What I still cannot understand is why anyone in their 
right mind would ever have thought that Britain could have gotten anything like 
a semi-respectable negotiated peace in 1940. Or why if Hitler had ever agreed 
to it, that he would have stuck to it. Talk about living in cloud-cuckooland! 
Jonathan Hayes 

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