> > > OpenYourEyes > KGB Officer Explains Russian/NWO Agenda For "Amerika" > Wed Jun 3, 2009 13:55 > 205.213.240.8 > http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=124563 > > Transcript of interview: > > ED GRIFFIN: (introduces Mr. Bezmenov) > > Our conversation is with Yuri Alexandrovic Bezmenov. Mr. Bezmenov was born > in 1939 in a suburb of Moscow. He was the son of a high ranking Soviet Army > officer. He was educated in the elite schools inside the Soviet Union; and > became an expert in Indian culture and Indian languages. > > He had an outstanding career with Novosti, which was, and still is, I > should say, the press arm or press agency of the Soviet Union; it turns out > this is also a front, for the KGB. > > He escaped to the West in 1970 after becoming totally disgusted with the > Soviet system; and he did this at great risk to his life. He certainly is one > of the worlds outstanding experts on the subject of Soviet propaganda; and > disinformation and active measures. > > ED GRIFFIN: > Well, you spoke before about "ideological subversion" and that's a phrase > that I'm afraid some Americans don't understand. When the Soviets use the > phrase "ideological subversion" what do they mean by it? > > YURI BEZMENOV: > 1. Ideological subversion is the process which is [a] legitimate, old > word, and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All American mass media has > to do is to "unplug bananas" from their ears, open up their eyes, and they can > see it. There is no mystery. > > It has nothing to do with espionage. I know that espionage intelligence > gathering looks more romantic. It sells more deodorants through the > advertising. > > That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond > types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area > of intelligence at all. > > According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, > only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. > > The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological > subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means > is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the > abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the > interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their > country. > > It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into > four basic stages. > > The first stage being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to > demoralize a nation. > > Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required > to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to > the ideology of [their] enemy. > > In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft > heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged > or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism. > > Most of the activity of the department [KGB] was to compile huge amount / > volume of information, on individuals who were instrumental in creating public > opinion. > > Publishers, editors, journalists, uh actors, educationalists, professors > of political science. Members of parliament, representatives of business > circles. > > Most of these people were divided roughly into two groups: those who would > tow the Soviet foreign policy, they would be promoted to positions of power > through media and public manipulation; [and] those who refuse the Soviet > influence in their own country would be character assassinated OR executed > physically, come Revolution. > > Same way as in a small town of Hua in South Vietnam; several thousands of > Vietnamese were executed in one night when the city was captured by [the] Viet > Cong for only two days; and American CIA could never figure out - how could > [the communists] possibly know each Individual, where he lives, where to get > him; and [in order that they] would be arrested in one night basically in four > hours before dawn, put on a van, driven out of the city limits and shot. > > The answer is very simple. Long before communists occupy the city, there > was extensive network of informers; local Vietnamese citizens who knew > absolutely everything about people who are instrumental in public opinion - > including Barbers and Taxi Drivers. > > Everyone who was sympathetic to United States was executed. Same thing was > done under the guidance of the Soviet Embassy in Hanoi, and same thing I was > doing in New Delhi. > > To my horror, I discovered that in the files were people who were doomed > to execution. There were names of pro-Soviet Journalists, with whom I was > personally friendly. > > ED GRIFFIN: > Pro Soviet? > > YURI BEZMENOV: > Yes, absolutely. They were idealistically minded leftist communists who > had made several visits to the USSR; and yet the KGB decided, that come > Revolution, or drastic changes in political structure of India - they will > have to go. > ED GRIFFIN: > Why is that? > > YURI BEZMENOV: > > Because they know too much. Simply, because, you see the USEFUL IDIOTS; > the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of Soviet or > Communist or Socialist or whatever system; when they get disillusioned, they > become the worst enemies. > > That's why my KGB instructors specifically made the point, "never bother > with leftists, forget about these political prostitutes - aim higher" this was > my instruction. > > Try to get into, uh, large circulation, established conservative media. > Reach filthy rich movie makers, intellectuals in so-called academic circles. > Cynical, ego-centric people who can look into your eyes with angelic > expression and tell you a lie. This are the most recruitable people; people > who lack moral principals - who are either too greedy or too, uh, suffer from > self-importance, uh, they feel that they matter a lot. Uh, these are the > people who KGB wanted very much to recruit. > > ED GRIFFIN: > But to eliminate the others; to execute the others, don't they serve some > purpose - wouldn't they be the one's to rely on? > > YURI BEZMENOV: > > No they serve purpose only [up] to the stage of destabilization of a > nation. For example, your leftists in [the] United States; all these > professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. > > They are instrumental in the process of the subversion; only to > destabilize a nation. > > When the job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too > much. > > Some of them, when they get disillusioned - when they see that > Marxist-Leninist come to power. Obviously they get offended; they think that > THEY will come to power. > > That will never happen, of course; they will be lined up against the wall > and shot. > > But they may turn into the most bitter enemies of Marxist-Leninists when > they come to power; and that's what happened in Nicaragua. > > You remember most of these former Marxist-Leninists were either put to > prison or one of them split and now he's working against the Sandinistas > > It happened in Grenada when Maurice Bishop, he was already a Marxist - he > was executed by the new Marxists who was more Marxist than this Marxist. > > Same happened in Afghanistan, when, uh, first there was Taraki he was > killed by Amin, then Amin was killed by Karmal with the help of KGB. > > Same happened in Bangladesh where Mujibur Rahman, very pro-soviet leftist; > was assassinated by his own Marxist-Leninist military comrades. > > It's the same pattern everywhere. The moment they serve their purpose, all > the useful idiots are either executed entirely; all the idealistically minded > Marxists. > > Or exiled, or put in prisons like in Cuba many former Marxists are in > Cuba, and in prison. > > So basically America is stuck, with demoralization; and unless, even if > you start right now this minute; you start educating new generation of > Americans - it will still take you 15 to 20 years to turn the tide of uh, > ideological perception of reality; uh back to normalcy and patriotism. > > > The result? The result you can see -- most of the people who graduated in > the 60's, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the > positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and > educational systems. You are stuck with them. > > You can't get rid of to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed > to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to > Pavlov]. You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic > information. > > Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can > not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior. > > In other words [for] these people the process of demoralization is > complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another 15 > or 20 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common > sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United > States society. > > ED GRIFFIN: > And yet these people who have been programmed and as you say [are] in > place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept [meaning NEW > WORLD ORDER]- these are the very people who would be marked for extermination > in this country? > > YURI BEZMENOV: > > Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock when they will > see in [the] future what the beautiful society of EQUALITY and social justice > means in practice, obviously they will revolt. > > They will be very unhappy [and] frustrated people, and Marxist Leninist > regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously they will join the [ranks] of > dissenters; dissidents. > > Unlike the present [1984] United States there will be no place for dissent > in future Marxist-Leninist America. > > [Now] you can get popular like Daniel Ellsberg and filthy rich like Jane > Fonda for being a dissident [and] for criticizing your Pentagon. > > In [the] future these people will simply be [he makes a squishy noise] > squashed like cockroaches for criticizing the government. > > Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful [and] noble ideas > of EQUALITY. This they don't understand and it will be the greatest shock for > them, of course. > > > The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed > already for the last 25 years. > > Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such > areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of > such tremendous success. > > Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral > standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter > anymore. > > A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The > facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with > authentic proof, with documents and pictures. > > Even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him the > concentration camps...he will refuse to believe it.... until he is going to > receive a kick in his fat bottom. > > When the military boot crashes - then he will understand. But not before > that. That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization. > > 2. The next stage is destabilization.... > > this time, subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of > your consumption. Whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby doesn't > matter any more. > > It only takes 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation. This time what matters > is essentials; economy, foreign relations, [and] defense systems. > > And you can see it quite clearly that in some... sensitive areas such as > defense and [the] economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in the > United States is absolutely fantastic. > > I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the > world that the process will go that fast. > > 3. The next stage of course is crisis, which may take only up to 6 weeks > to bring a country to the verge of crisis. You can see it in Central America > now; and after crisis, with the violent change of power structure and economy, > you have the period of so called "normalization" [which] it may last > indefinitely. > > Normalization is a cynical expression, borrower from Soviet Propaganda. > When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in 1968, comrade Brezhnev said > "Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized". This is what > will happen in [the] United States if you allow all the shmucks to bring the > country to crisis. > > To promise people all kinds of goodies, and the paradise on Earth. Uh to > destabilize your economy to eliminate the principal of free market > competition; and to put a big brother government in Washington D.C.; with > benevolent dictators like [1984] Walter Mondale [2008 Obama] who will promise > lots of things - Never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not. > > He [the dictator] will go to Moscow to kiss the bottoms of a new > generation of Soviet Assassins. Never mind [nothing to see here, move along], > he will create false illusions that the situation is under control. > > Situation is NOT under control. Situation is disgustingly out of control. > > Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system train > another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime. > False. > > United States is in a state of war; undeclared, total war against the > basic principles and foundations of this system. And the initiator of this war > is not Comrade Andropov of course - it's the system. However, ridiculous it > may sound, [it is] the world Communist system, or the world Communist > conspiracy. Whether I scare some people or not, I don't give a hoot. > > If you're not scared by now, nothing can scare you. You don't have to be > paranoid about it. What actually happens now; that unlike myself, you have > literally several years to live on unless United States wake up. The time bomb > is ticking. > > With every second the disaster is coming closer. Unlike myself, you will > have nowhere to defect to, unless you want to live in Antarctica with > penguins. > > This is it, this is the last country with freedom and possibility. > > > ED GRIFFIN: > Okay, so what do we do? What is your recommendation to the American > people? > > > YURI BEZMENOV: > Well, the immediate thing that comes to mind is, of course, there must be > a very strong national effort to educate people in the spirit of REAL > patriotism, number one. Number two, to explain [to] them the real danger of > socialist, communist, welfare state, Big Brother government. If people fail to > grasp the impending danger; nothing ever will help the United States. You may > kiss goodbye your freedoms, including [sending] homosexuals to prison inmate. > All this freedom will vanish in 5 seconds - including your precious lives. > > The moment at least part of [the] United States population is convinced > that the danger is real, they have to FORCE their government, and I'm not > talking about sending letters, signing petitions, and all this beautiful, > noble activity, I'm talking about FORCING [the] United States government to > stop aiding Communism.... > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1 > <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1> > > > ======================================================== > "I'm talking about FORCING [the] United States government to stop aiding > Communism...." > > Corporatism == Collectivism == Communism. > > The purpose of Government, articulated in the American Declaration of > Independence - is to secure the inalienable rights of the Individual. > > NO BAILOUT! > > =Bill > > > Lease this WebApp and get rid of the ads. > Click here to receive daily updates > > =
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