Re: [Cin] "CinGG Summer of Code" Ernest Ibarra disappointment/failure
This is really a bad story. And a bad behaviour from a programmer. Il 14/04/2023 00:28, Phyllis Smith via Cin ha scritto: Last summer I put out an ad for a 10 week CinGG summer of code with the title of "Linux / C++ beginner / student" with an enticement of $400 each week for compiling, execution of well outlined steps, and make mods to the "burn" plugin to just add the gui variables. I thought someone might like the challenge and could put in a few hours each week (before and after "aging" plugin gui mods would serve as a guideline). Response from Ernest Ibarra was "he was interested" and had a "Mac Pro with Ubuntu and also had 3 years of C++ knowledge". Pointed him to the Manual on how to build CinGG and he sent me a screenshot showing a built version. So I assumed he was able to do a build which would mean he had to have done a compile?? Ibarra was paid $400 a week for 4 weeks just to experiment with coding but by the end of the 4th week he reported "having a really hard time compiling" just the plugin. I suggested he do a full compile with his modifications in (since supposedly he had compiled the whole program at least once, right?). Ernest Ibarra stopped replying to my emails after 4 weeks of PayPal payments by June 28th. Finally on July 19th, after receiving another 2 weeks (total $2400) I asked Ibarra to send me the code that he could not get to compile so I could compile it myself but never heard back. BIG DISAPPOINTMENT -- should not 3 years of C++ be enough for a competent programmer to work on a very small part of Cinelerra? So I am closing BT #62 as being a HUGE FAILURE -- at least with Ernest Ibarra. -- Cin mailing list Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Re: [Cin] "CinGG Summer of Code" Ernest Ibarra disappointment/failure
Phyllis, what a bad story you told. I hope it doesn't happen again. Moreover, to handle CinGG you don't just need C++ but you also need to know OpenGL and color science. I think these are very specialized and complex areas. -- Cin mailing list Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Re: [Cin] "CinGG Summer of Code" Ernest Ibarra disappointment/failure
пт, 14 апр. 2023 г., 08:56 Andrew Randrianasulu : > > > пт, 14 апр. 2023 г., 06:33 Rob Prowel via Cin >: > >> On 4/13/23 20:57, Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin wrote: >> >>> Last summer I put out an ad for a 10 week CinGG summer of code with >> the >> >>> title of "Linux / C++ beginner / student" with an enticement of $400 >> each >> >>> week for compiling, execution of well outlined steps, and make mods >> to the >> >>> "burn" plugin to just add the gui variables. I thought someone might >> like >> >>> the challenge and could put in a few hours each week (before and after >> >>> "aging" plugin gui mods would serve as a guideline). >> >>> >> >>> Response from Ernest Ibarra was "he was interested" and had a "Mac Pro >> >>> with Ubuntu and also had 3 years of C++ knowledge". Pointed him to the >> >>> Manual on how to build CinGG and he sent me a screenshot showing a >> built >> >>> version. So I assumed he was able to do a build which would mean he >> had to >> >>> have done a compile?? >> >>> >> >>> Ibarra was paid $400 a week for 4 weeks just to experiment with coding >> >>> but by the end of the 4th week he reported "having a really hard time >> >>> compiling" just the plugin. I suggested he do a full compile with his >> >>> modifications in (since supposedly he had compiled the whole program >> at >> >>> least once, right?). >> >>> >> >>> Ernest Ibarra stopped replying to my emails after 4 weeks of PayPal >> >>> payments by June 28th. Finally on July 19th, after receiving another 2 >> >>> weeks (total $2400) I asked Ibarra to send me the code that he could >> not >> >>> get to compile so I could compile it myself but never heard back. BIG >> >>> DISAPPOINTMENT -- should not 3 years of C++ be enough for a competent >> >>> programmer to work on a very small part of Cinelerra? So I am closing >> BT >> >>> #62 as being a HUGE FAILURE -- at least with Ernest Ibarra. >> >>> >> >> >> I've been coding for 35+ years, and have even designed hardenned systems >> that run on spacefraft, and while my comment is in no way meant to >> disparage the folks who volunteer to code and fix cinGG, I wouldn't >> touch the codebase with a 10 foot pole in its current state. It can >> loosely be defined as C++, but nothing in it is anywhere near modern C++ >> best-practice coding, and internal documentation doesn't exist. > > > Well, feel free to try working with > https://github.com/olive-editor/olive > > for example. [or Openshot, they had new release lately]. I am too curious > for *not* looking everywhere, so eventually it will find its way at least > back to mail list! > Or even https://github.com/smallstepforman/Medo (video editor for Haiku OS specifically. Hw opengl there works only in very experimental mode, but for main program logic even sw render should be enough? At worst just use 160*120 ...) > > > The >> only thing that keeps it chugging along are the countless hours of a few >> folks who have been into it long enough and deeply enough to know what >> is where. >> >> I'd be more inclined to say "did you learn your lesson?" to anyone who >> offered money to someone for cinGG coding updates. >> >> And FWIW, I know many 10-15 year software engineers who lack talent, but >> can continue to earn a living because qualitative productivity isn't >> valued anymore. >> >> >> -- >> Cin mailing list >> Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org >> https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin >> > -- Cin mailing list Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Re: [Cin] "CinGG Summer of Code" Ernest Ibarra disappointment/failure
пт, 14 апр. 2023 г., 06:33 Rob Prowel via Cin : > On 4/13/23 20:57, Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin wrote: > >>> Last summer I put out an ad for a 10 week CinGG summer of code with the > >>> title of "Linux / C++ beginner / student" with an enticement of $400 > each > >>> week for compiling, execution of well outlined steps, and make mods to > the > >>> "burn" plugin to just add the gui variables. I thought someone might > like > >>> the challenge and could put in a few hours each week (before and after > >>> "aging" plugin gui mods would serve as a guideline). > >>> > >>> Response from Ernest Ibarra was "he was interested" and had a "Mac Pro > >>> with Ubuntu and also had 3 years of C++ knowledge". Pointed him to the > >>> Manual on how to build CinGG and he sent me a screenshot showing a > built > >>> version. So I assumed he was able to do a build which would mean he > had to > >>> have done a compile?? > >>> > >>> Ibarra was paid $400 a week for 4 weeks just to experiment with coding > >>> but by the end of the 4th week he reported "having a really hard time > >>> compiling" just the plugin. I suggested he do a full compile with his > >>> modifications in (since supposedly he had compiled the whole program at > >>> least once, right?). > >>> > >>> Ernest Ibarra stopped replying to my emails after 4 weeks of PayPal > >>> payments by June 28th. Finally on July 19th, after receiving another 2 > >>> weeks (total $2400) I asked Ibarra to send me the code that he could > not > >>> get to compile so I could compile it myself but never heard back. BIG > >>> DISAPPOINTMENT -- should not 3 years of C++ be enough for a competent > >>> programmer to work on a very small part of Cinelerra? So I am closing > BT > >>> #62 as being a HUGE FAILURE -- at least with Ernest Ibarra. > >>> > > > I've been coding for 35+ years, and have even designed hardenned systems > that run on spacefraft, and while my comment is in no way meant to > disparage the folks who volunteer to code and fix cinGG, I wouldn't > touch the codebase with a 10 foot pole in its current state. It can > loosely be defined as C++, but nothing in it is anywhere near modern C++ > best-practice coding, and internal documentation doesn't exist. Well, feel free to try working with https://github.com/olive-editor/olive for example. [or Openshot, they had new release lately]. I am too curious for *not* looking everywhere, so eventually it will find its way at least back to mail list! The > only thing that keeps it chugging along are the countless hours of a few > folks who have been into it long enough and deeply enough to know what > is where. > > I'd be more inclined to say "did you learn your lesson?" to anyone who > offered money to someone for cinGG coding updates. > > And FWIW, I know many 10-15 year software engineers who lack talent, but > can continue to earn a living because qualitative productivity isn't > valued anymore. > > > -- > Cin mailing list > Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org > https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin > -- Cin mailing list Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Re: [Cin] "CinGG Summer of Code" Ernest Ibarra disappointment/failure
On 4/13/23 20:57, Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin wrote: Last summer I put out an ad for a 10 week CinGG summer of code with the title of "Linux / C++ beginner / student" with an enticement of $400 each week for compiling, execution of well outlined steps, and make mods to the "burn" plugin to just add the gui variables. I thought someone might like the challenge and could put in a few hours each week (before and after "aging" plugin gui mods would serve as a guideline). Response from Ernest Ibarra was "he was interested" and had a "Mac Pro with Ubuntu and also had 3 years of C++ knowledge". Pointed him to the Manual on how to build CinGG and he sent me a screenshot showing a built version. So I assumed he was able to do a build which would mean he had to have done a compile?? Ibarra was paid $400 a week for 4 weeks just to experiment with coding but by the end of the 4th week he reported "having a really hard time compiling" just the plugin. I suggested he do a full compile with his modifications in (since supposedly he had compiled the whole program at least once, right?). Ernest Ibarra stopped replying to my emails after 4 weeks of PayPal payments by June 28th. Finally on July 19th, after receiving another 2 weeks (total $2400) I asked Ibarra to send me the code that he could not get to compile so I could compile it myself but never heard back. BIG DISAPPOINTMENT -- should not 3 years of C++ be enough for a competent programmer to work on a very small part of Cinelerra? So I am closing BT #62 as being a HUGE FAILURE -- at least with Ernest Ibarra. I've been coding for 35+ years, and have even designed hardenned systems that run on spacefraft, and while my comment is in no way meant to disparage the folks who volunteer to code and fix cinGG, I wouldn't touch the codebase with a 10 foot pole in its current state. It can loosely be defined as C++, but nothing in it is anywhere near modern C++ best-practice coding, and internal documentation doesn't exist. The only thing that keeps it chugging along are the countless hours of a few folks who have been into it long enough and deeply enough to know what is where. I'd be more inclined to say "did you learn your lesson?" to anyone who offered money to someone for cinGG coding updates. And FWIW, I know many 10-15 year software engineers who lack talent, but can continue to earn a living because qualitative productivity isn't valued anymore. OpenPGP_0x36472CAD382840B8.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Cin mailing list Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Re: [Cin] "CinGG Summer of Code" Ernest Ibarra disappointment/failure
пт, 14 апр. 2023 г., 03:48 Andrew Randrianasulu : > > > пт, 14 апр. 2023 г., 01:28 Phyllis Smith via Cin < > cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org>: > >> Last summer I put out an ad for a 10 week CinGG summer of code with the >> title of "Linux / C++ beginner / student" with an enticement of $400 each >> week for compiling, execution of well outlined steps, and make mods to the >> "burn" plugin to just add the gui variables. I thought someone might like >> the challenge and could put in a few hours each week (before and after >> "aging" plugin gui mods would serve as a guideline). >> >> Response from Ernest Ibarra was "he was interested" and had a "Mac Pro >> with Ubuntu and also had 3 years of C++ knowledge". Pointed him to the >> Manual on how to build CinGG and he sent me a screenshot showing a built >> version. So I assumed he was able to do a build which would mean he had to >> have done a compile?? >> >> Ibarra was paid $400 a week for 4 weeks just to experiment with coding >> but by the end of the 4th week he reported "having a really hard time >> compiling" just the plugin. I suggested he do a full compile with his >> modifications in (since supposedly he had compiled the whole program at >> least once, right?). >> >> Ernest Ibarra stopped replying to my emails after 4 weeks of PayPal >> payments by June 28th. Finally on July 19th, after receiving another 2 >> weeks (total $2400) I asked Ibarra to send me the code that he could not >> get to compile so I could compile it myself but never heard back. BIG >> DISAPPOINTMENT -- should not 3 years of C++ be enough for a competent >> programmer to work on a very small part of Cinelerra? So I am closing BT >> #62 as being a HUGE FAILURE -- at least with Ernest Ibarra. >> > > > > Ow! Guess this mean if something like this about to happen in future we > better to start with even smaller (non-paid) qualification task, and pay > sum at the end of period after looking at results . > TBH I also tried this around same time, with segfaulting results (you can look for "failed experiment at making burn configurable" in archives). Failures are memorable! > > -- >> Cin mailing list >> Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org >> https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin >> > -- Cin mailing list Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Re: [Cin] "CinGG Summer of Code" Ernest Ibarra disappointment/failure
пт, 14 апр. 2023 г., 01:28 Phyllis Smith via Cin : > Last summer I put out an ad for a 10 week CinGG summer of code with the > title of "Linux / C++ beginner / student" with an enticement of $400 each > week for compiling, execution of well outlined steps, and make mods to the > "burn" plugin to just add the gui variables. I thought someone might like > the challenge and could put in a few hours each week (before and after > "aging" plugin gui mods would serve as a guideline). > > Response from Ernest Ibarra was "he was interested" and had a "Mac Pro > with Ubuntu and also had 3 years of C++ knowledge". Pointed him to the > Manual on how to build CinGG and he sent me a screenshot showing a built > version. So I assumed he was able to do a build which would mean he had to > have done a compile?? > > Ibarra was paid $400 a week for 4 weeks just to experiment with coding but > by the end of the 4th week he reported "having a really hard time > compiling" just the plugin. I suggested he do a full compile with his > modifications in (since supposedly he had compiled the whole program at > least once, right?). > > Ernest Ibarra stopped replying to my emails after 4 weeks of PayPal > payments by June 28th. Finally on July 19th, after receiving another 2 > weeks (total $2400) I asked Ibarra to send me the code that he could not > get to compile so I could compile it myself but never heard back. BIG > DISAPPOINTMENT -- should not 3 years of C++ be enough for a competent > programmer to work on a very small part of Cinelerra? So I am closing BT > #62 as being a HUGE FAILURE -- at least with Ernest Ibarra. > Ow! Guess this mean if something like this about to happen in future we better to start with even smaller (non-paid) qualification task, and pay sum at the end of period after looking at results . -- > Cin mailing list > Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org > https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin > -- Cin mailing list Cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
