Re: [Cin] Shortcuts

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG and Andrew, thank you so much!
I hadn't written that my Operating System is Ubuntu 16.04, sorry.
I followed GG's instruction, installing "libtool" by synaptic and now it 
works. GG, thanks thanks thanks.


IgorBeg


Il 08/03/2020 16.21, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

Igor: (Andrew said it)
Recently, some of the distros have stopped putting libtool in as a 
part of the development group components for installs.
If libtool is not installed on your machine, install it and see fi the 
problem is affected.


apt install libtool

gg


On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 7:49 AM Igor BEGHETTO > wrote:



> I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete
last
> track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D. So, more intuitive, you have
Shift+D to
> "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D to "Delete Last track": Shift
is the
> key up (then first), and Ctrl is the key down (then last) in the
> keyboard.
>> I will see about changing this as you suggested.  It would be
better.
Thanks to take it in consideration.

About Shortcuts in general.
I understand you (Phyllis), and I know that it is not easy to
change the
consolidate Shortcuts used from old cinelerra's users but it would be
good if CinelerraGG would use some shortcuts like others NLE (Adobe
Premiere, Lightworks, Kdenlive. Sam and Olaf know for AVID and
DaVinciResolve, I think). "J-K-L" for
PlayBackward-Stop-PlayForward, "i"
& "o" for InPoint and OutPoint are standard shortcut.So, new users
would
be incentivated to change (or less) their NLE.
Another example may be, navigate between Labels (Ctrl) or Keyframes
(Shift) or Edits (Alt) with the LeftArrow and RightArrow because
it is
more intuitive, I think.
If you want I can do a lists for my preferences shortcuts but you
already know. ;-)
Thanks.

IgorBeg


PS:
I am not able to compile CinelerraGG since 2020029 version. Can
You help
me, please?
I added the compressed log file.
Thank you.
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Re: [Cin] Shortcuts

[Phyllis Smith]

Igor: (Andrew said it)
Recently, some of the distros have stopped putting libtool in as a part of
the development group components for installs.
If libtool is not installed on your machine, install it and see fi the
problem is affected.

apt install libtool

gg


On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 7:49 AM Igor BEGHETTO  wrote:

>
> > I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete last
> > track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D. So, more intuitive, you have Shift+D to
> > "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D to "Delete Last track": Shift is the
> > key up (then first), and Ctrl is the key down (then last) in the
> > keyboard.
> >> I will see about changing this as you suggested.  It would be better.
> Thanks to take it in consideration.
>
> About Shortcuts in general.
> I understand you (Phyllis), and I know that it is not easy to change the
> consolidate Shortcuts used from old cinelerra's users but it would be
> good if CinelerraGG would use some shortcuts like others NLE (Adobe
> Premiere, Lightworks, Kdenlive. Sam and Olaf know for AVID and
> DaVinciResolve, I think). "J-K-L" for PlayBackward-Stop-PlayForward, "i"
> & "o" for InPoint and OutPoint are standard shortcut.So, new users would
> be incentivated to change (or less) their NLE.
> Another example may be, navigate between Labels (Ctrl) or Keyframes
> (Shift) or Edits (Alt) with the LeftArrow and RightArrow because it is
> more intuitive, I think.
> If you want I can do a lists for my preferences shortcuts but you
> already know. ;-)
> Thanks.
>
> IgorBeg
>
>
> PS:
> I am not able to compile CinelerraGG since 2020029 version. Can You help
> me, please?
> I added the compressed log file.
> Thank you.
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Re: [Cin] Shortcuts

[Andrew Randrianasulu]

В сообщении от Sunday 08 March 2020 16:51:10 Igor BEGHETTO написал(а):
> 
> > I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete last 
> > track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D. So, more intuitive, you have Shift+D to 
> > "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D to "Delete Last track": Shift is the 
> > key up (then first), and Ctrl is the key down (then last) in the 
> > keyboard.
> >> I will see about changing this as you suggested.  It would be better. 
> Thanks to take it in consideration.
> 
> About Shortcuts in general.
> I understand you (Phyllis), and I know that it is not easy to change the 
> consolidate Shortcuts used from old cinelerra's users but it would be 
> good if CinelerraGG would use some shortcuts like others NLE (Adobe 
> Premiere, Lightworks, Kdenlive. Sam and Olaf know for AVID and 
> DaVinciResolve, I think). "J-K-L" for PlayBackward-Stop-PlayForward, "i" 
> & "o" for InPoint and OutPoint are standard shortcut.So, new users would 
> be incentivated to change (or less) their NLE.
> Another example may be, navigate between Labels (Ctrl) or Keyframes 
> (Shift) or Edits (Alt) with the LeftArrow and RightArrow because it is 
> more intuitive, I think.
> If you want I can do a lists for my preferences shortcuts but you 
> already know. ;-)
> Thanks.
> 
> IgorBeg
> 
> 
> PS:
> I am not able to compile CinelerraGG since 2020029 version. Can You help 
> me, please?
> I added the compressed log file.
> Thank you.
> 

I think mjpegtools started to fail their autoconf phase:

configure.ac:73: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
  If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
  See the Autoconf documentation.

[...]

make[4]: Entering directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0'
  CC   sndfile-metadata-set.o
Making all in src
Making all in utils
make[5]: Entering directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/libiec61883-1.2.0/src'
/bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CC   --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. 
-I/usr/local/include
-I/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/../thirdparty/libraw1394-2.1.2/.
  -MT cip.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/cip.Tpo -c -o cip.lo cip.c
make[5]: Entering directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0/utils'
gcc: warning: 
/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/../thirdparty/libogg-1.3.4/src/.libs/libogg.a:
 linker input file unused because linking not done
Making all in mmxsse
  CC   ogg_helper.lo
make[6]: Entering directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0/utils/mmxsse'
/bin/bash: LIBTOOL@: command not found
Makefile:359: recipe for target 'build_sub22_mests.lo' failed
make[6]: *** [build_sub22_mests.lo] Error 127
make[6]: Leaving directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0/utils/mmxsse'
Makefile:505: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[5]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0/utils'
Makefile:499: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[4]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0'
Makefile:405: recipe for target 'all' failed
make[3]: *** [all] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0'
Makefile:340: recipe for target 
'/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/../thirdparty/build/mjpegtools.built'
 failed
make[2]: *** 
[/home/charlie/cin-repository-clone/cinelerra5_20200229/cinelerra-5.1/thirdparty/../thirdparty/build/mjpegtools.built]
 Error 2
make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs

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Just searched for Error string in log, while searching for 'failed' was 
probably faster ..

WHY it started to fail I don't know .. may be autotools were updated on your 
host? 
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Re: [Cin] Shortcuts

[Andrew Randrianasulu]

Just random note on shortcuts:

I initially thought ctrl-alt-a was not working, but then I discovered
it was already taken by KDE - so I deleted it as  global/DE level
shortcut - and now everything works ...

В сообщении от Saturday 07 March 2020 18:09:24 Phyllis Smith написал(а):
> *Dan:*
> 
> > How hard would it be to create a menu for user-editable shortcuts?
> > Ardour/mixbus has something like this, and I find it really, really
> > convenient.  Would it be possible to adapt their code, or would it require
> > huge rewrites?
> >
> 
> This is a very much requested feature and a very, very difficult thing to
> do.  BUT there is still some hope that it will get done in the far future.
> I say there is hope because "scaling" got done and that was hard and a long
> time request.  By comparison upgrading Masks was trivial and it took 4
> weeks to get it all done. The reason for the difficulty is the original
> design of Cinelerra written back in the olden days with slower computers
> with less memory.  I think it would be do-able if the current QT
> cross-platform framework was used instead but that is another difficult
> thing to switch to.  Most users would rather the Videoscope and color
> management were improved instead.
> 
> It has been proposed to alternatively allow for 1 different shortcut setup
> as established by users so at least you could choose one or the other.
> However, that would be a nightmare to get 2 or more people to agree on the
> alternative setup.  Anyway, it would probably be better to make it flexible
> for any shortcut.
> 
> *Igor:*
> 
> > I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete last
> > track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D. So, more intuitive, you have Shift+D to
> > "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D to "Delete Last track": Shift is the key
> > up (then first), and Ctrl is the key down (then last) in the keyboard.
> >
> I will see about changing this as you suggested.  It would be better.
> 


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Re: [Cin] Shortcuts

[Phyllis Smith]

*Dan:*

> How hard would it be to create a menu for user-editable shortcuts?
> Ardour/mixbus has something like this, and I find it really, really
> convenient.  Would it be possible to adapt their code, or would it require
> huge rewrites?
>

This is a very much requested feature and a very, very difficult thing to
do.  BUT there is still some hope that it will get done in the far future.
I say there is hope because "scaling" got done and that was hard and a long
time request.  By comparison upgrading Masks was trivial and it took 4
weeks to get it all done. The reason for the difficulty is the original
design of Cinelerra written back in the olden days with slower computers
with less memory.  I think it would be do-able if the current QT
cross-platform framework was used instead but that is another difficult
thing to switch to.  Most users would rather the Videoscope and color
management were improved instead.

It has been proposed to alternatively allow for 1 different shortcut setup
as established by users so at least you could choose one or the other.
However, that would be a nightmare to get 2 or more people to agree on the
alternative setup.  Anyway, it would probably be better to make it flexible
for any shortcut.

*Igor:*

> I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete last
> track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D. So, more intuitive, you have Shift+D to
> "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D to "Delete Last track": Shift is the key
> up (then first), and Ctrl is the key down (then last) in the keyboard.
>
I will see about changing this as you suggested.  It would be better.
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Re: [Cin] Shortcuts

[daniel-cinelerra-gg]

How hard would it be to create a menu for user-editable shortcuts?
Ardour/mixbus has something like this, and I find it really, really
convenient.  Would it be possible to adapt their code, or would it require
huge rewrites?

http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/mixbus/mixbus32c-6-live-manual/1/en/topic/keyboard-shortcuts?q=shortcuts

Dan

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 12:18 PM Igor BEGHETTO  <
> wrote:

>
> 
>
> Hi!
>
> > *IMPORTANT: the shortcut for “Delete last track” has been changed*
> > from the lower case letter “d”
> > to Ctrl-Shift-D. Having just “d” was somewhat dangerous per Dan
> > (Quinton?) because off screen.
> > A “format” option button for ffmpeg in the Render menu shows up when
> > you click on the Video
> > wrench icon. This provides a few more tuning operators for the render
> > for choices like mp4.
> I think that the shorcuts are useful for the most/frequently used
> operation/action. Cinelerra have some shortcuts where, I think, you can
> do without them: for example in File Menu there are "BD Render..."
> (Ctrl+D) and "DVD Render" (Alt+D).
> I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete last
> track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D.
> So, more intuitive, you have Shift+D to "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D
> to "Delete Last track": Shift is the key up (then first), and Ctrl is
> the key down (then last) in the keyboard.
>
>
> About "shortcut for going trough *Autos* keyframes" thread.
> > We are going to "attempt" to add code to use a shortcut of Alt-a for
> > next fader/speed/autos and Ctrl-a for previous auto. This should come
> > in handy.
> I think, if possible, to use the same shortcuts of the Plugin's
> keyframes because they are always keyframes, for me.
>
> Thanks
>
> IgorBeg
>
>
>
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