Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-07 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Apr 7, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Jonas Björklund wrote: What device are you recommend instead? A 7600? Which SUP? 7600 has the same issues, as it uses the same hardware. The Cisco platforms which generate operationally sound NetFlow include ISR/ISR2, 7200, 10K w/PRE-3/-4, ASR1K, ASR9K, GSR/12000

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-07 Thread Jonas Björklund
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: I suspect there will be switch processor load issues if you do more than some form of sampled netflow, 6500 with current hardware doesn't support sampled NetFlow. It supports NDE export sampling,

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-07 Thread Alexander Clouter
TCIS List Acct lista...@tulsaconnect.com wrote: We have traditionally used mirror ports in a L2 switch attached to a FreeBSD box with NICs in promisc. mode to do our traffic accounting (monitoring the traffic to/from the edge and ignoring local traffic). However, with the new 6509

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-07 Thread Phil Mayers
On 04/07/2011 02:22 AM, TCIS List Acct wrote: Hi all, A bit of background... We are preparing to deploy our first pair of 6509s with a SUP720-3B Can I ask: are these new? Did Cisco / a partner sell you these recently? If so, go back and ask them why they didn't advise you to wait for

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-07 Thread Andrew Miehs
Are you really sure you want to bill based on Netflow? I used to look after a network with 7206 as edge routers and implemented Netflow billing for them. The concept was great, and you could provide all sorts of interesting data HOWEVER After having implemented this, I do not believe that such

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-07 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 07/04/2011 02:22, TCIS List Acct wrote: However, with the new 6509 platform, we are hoping to use NetFlow v9 instead and get rid of the sniffer box. on a PFC3 based platform (i.e. 6500 / 7600 with sup720 or rsp720), this will probably work fine up to about 10pps imix traffic. After

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-07 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 01:46:58AM +, Dobbins, Roland wrote: So, while NetFlow is an outstanding choice for your application, the 6500 platform with current hardware has many NetFlow caveats which can adversely affect the statistical validity of the exported telemetry. With the 6500

[c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-06 Thread TCIS List Acct
Hi all, A bit of background... We are preparing to deploy our first pair of 6509s with a SUP720-3B supervisors and WS-X6548-GE-TX line cards (we may also have a few WS-X6748-GE-TX cards as well). These will be used for core/customer distribution primarily, with a pair of Juniper M7i routers

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-06 Thread Wil Schultz
On Apr 6, 2011, at 6:22 PM, TCIS List Acct lista...@tulsaconnect.com wrote: Hi all, A bit of background... We are preparing to deploy our first pair of 6509s with a SUP720-3B supervisors and WS-X6548-GE-TX line cards (we may also have a few WS-X6748-GE-TX cards as well). These will be

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-06 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Wil Schultz wrote: Not netflow, but I use cacti to graph all switchports and aggregate ports as needed into 95th percentile. Works well and there aren't any load concerns on the switchside. That's the easiest way...but the trouble is, cacti can't ignore local traffic (so

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-06 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: I suspect there will be switch processor load issues if you do more than some form of sampled netflow, 6500 with current hardware doesn't support sampled NetFlow. It supports NDE export sampling, which isn't the same thing, at all. ;

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-06 Thread Keegan Holley
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Wil Schultz wrote: Not netflow, but I use cacti to graph all switchports and aggregate ports as needed into 95th percentile. Works well and there aren't any load concerns on the

Re: [c-nsp] NetFlow for billing on 6500/SUP720-3B

2011-04-06 Thread Erik Muller
On 4/6/11 22:42 , Keegan Holley wrote: Is there really any local traffic on an Internet feed? Also is there really any local traffic that shouldn't be billed? Local is a matter of perspective... if you assume it to just meant router-to-customer control traffic, there's probably not much.